How Canada puts Britain to shame over treatment of fallen soldiers

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I'm not going to have to clean house in here too am I guys?

For the record, we're thrilled to have input from our American neighbors here on CC. We don't put gag orders on our German, Pakistani, Chinese, Russian, American, British, or Portuguese members (my apologies to any I may have missed). They are free to discuss like any other member of this forum.
 

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Now where did I leave off? Oh yes......

What we are really doing there then is waging a religious war against an ideology we don't like and trying to enforce our own ideology!

Perhaps. How about you ask Afghans themselves. Ask the children there is they enjoy going to school and learning, and being able to have more then what they had before. If we were forcing our ideology on them, then we'd be telling them to go Christian. They are keeping their faiths/religion and they are given the opportunity to be in control over their own country. Look up why and how the Taliban came to be there in the first place and you might know how things have thus unfolded.

That will never succeed unless we occupy Afghanistan forever. The USA knows that about Iraq and it's why the neo-cons say they will need to be there for another hundred years. They mean they will need to be there lest democracy takes hold!

And I don't agree with that assumption nor do I agree with them having to keep Democracy in the first place. If we have to remain there for things to stay the way our politicians want, then apparently #1 - they don't want it and #2 - We as Canadians don't want to be there forever. They have every right to renounce Democracy if they so choose to do so. What do you expect the international community will do if Afghanistan "Democractically" chooses to no longer be Democratic? Pressure on the US and other allies with build up and a demand to leave the country. If not, then it will be blaitent oppression on the people of Afghanistan, rather then on the Orginization of the Taliban, and that's the difference.

No, people must decide for themselves who to kill and who to let live. If I were in a war and ordered to kill someone I would shoot the person who gave me the order because, right then and there, they are the biggest threat to my freedom, liberty and life. If I find an enemy and he wishes to kill me then I would take him out before he could take me. If I came upon a soldier who did not fire at me I would not fire at him. I believe in live and let live and in minding my own business.

That's what soldiers usually try to do. If they don't have to shoot and kill someone, they usually won't (Unless they are sick in the head and inproperly trained in disipline) You go to occupy an area for secuity, if the enemy is there and they are not surrendering, suppress them or eleminate them until they do surrender.

Just like bank robbers. The police come in and if they do not surrender and become hostile, they are shot.

I would really think that through if I were you.

The Nazi agenda won but they lost their bid for territory. Do a little research.

The Nazis won - we are nations of Nazi's. We have a unified Europe (what Hitler wanted), we have the white race in power (what Hitler wanted), we employ neo-socialism (now called neo-liberalism), etc... we even have Hitlers smoking bans! We're even bringing back his eugenics and family planning!

The reason Germany could reunite and the Berlin wall fell is that Hitlers dream was realized and the barrier was now pointless.

I'm serious - look into it. The ideology and wording of the modern Reich is different but the objectives are identical.

The only difference is that the majority of the world doesn't want to wipe Jews out anymore - we're focused on certain sects of Muslims instead.

You got to be completely mad into conspiracies to believe any of that.

First off, if you really want to start looking into things, Hitler's ideals were not his own. The ideals which he used came from waaaayyy back when Germania was fighting the crumbling Roman Empire of the time. Look into the 1st and 2nd Reich and understand the core principles within those. It was all for Germany and it's people. It was an ideal of people of a state being devouted to the state, giving their bodies and minds to the State, that the only method of progress and power was through brute force.... all by the Pure Blooded Germans, whom claimed to be the pure race over all others. Germans alone were to be the rulers of the world and that one day one man would make this prophecy come true.

The Berlin wall fell because the Soviet Union fell. There was no more control from them and thus the Westernized side was able to take over the rest of Germany and bring them into Democracy. The Soviet Union went broke, it had nothing to do with people thinking the Nazi's were on the right track.

If what you say was true, then it contradicts their original prophecy, their original dreams and ideals, considdering pure blooded germans are not currently running the world. Their beliefs can be tracked all the way back to when they still believed in Roman Mythology and believed many of the Gods visited their lands, including Thor, whom most at the time considdered they were decendant from.

Trust me, if you want to really know what's going on today, you have to look really far back to fully understand. But that alone is a topic all in itself.

If you truly knew your history, you'd know that the "True Nazi" agenda did not win and is most certainly not our way of life today. There maybe some traits you might think relate to their "Commonly accepted" ideals, but that's no grounds for evidence that it won out, as plenty of other ideals are still kicking around in our societies and methods of government over the years.

If this was the end result of what Hitler had planned for Germany, he'd take that pill and shoot himself in the head all over again.
 
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I don't listen to anything.

:roll:

I don't have TV and only listen to radio on rare occasions. There is no "shill" I listen to. I belong to no group, I am not religious nor political.

I'm afraid that any stereotype you ascribe to me is going to be wrong. I think this is why people take such offense to the things I say - they have no framework in which to read my opinion and so make false assumptions.

So then exactly how do you come to these astounding and educated conclusions if you have no way of gathering detailed information if you listen to nothing, belong to no group, not religious or political?

Exactly how can you claim to know what's going on when you won't even look into supplied information by others and use your own determination if they are logical or full of crap, such as I am doing right now?

That's kinda worse then being religious... at least when religious people stomp their feet and want to show how concrete their minds are set on their faith, they have something to back it up..... you just stomp your feet and claim you're right and then just expect us to suck it up, even though you won't do the same? Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
 
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Most stereotypes people apply to others ARE wrong. I've heard you apply at least one that made me snicker in its broad miss of the mark. It was your comment about Praxius listening to Bill O'Reilly... I don't know, maybe he does. But Praxius is typically a bit too left and anti-Bush for me to think that he would spend much time enjoying that particular show. But then again, maybe I'm stereotyping. :lol:

Well unlike what I pointed out on how he comes to his own conclusions and not being political or religious or anything for that matter, I am political, but I follow no major party or view (Left/Right) Both have some goods, both have some bads. I am religious, but not in the common understanding of religion, nor do I follow any paticular/popular religion out there. I am something, but I am not.... er... nothing as SF claims himself to be.

I am anti-Bush because of Bush's own decisions, logic and actions. But that doesn't mean I'm going to just turn and hope the Democrats are going to be any better by default.

I have heard the name Bill O'Reilly before, but I have never seen his show/news/whatever he does, I do not know what his views or positions are, and I probably couldn't care less then I do now about them.

If I was going to follow any person's views when it comes to US politics, it would be one of these two:



or



Because one can only laugh at US politics at the time being.
 

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you just stomp your feet and claim you're right and then just expect us to suck it up, even though you won't do the same? Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

Bit hypocritical of you don't you think? Considering thats what you did ealier in this thread.

Just stamp your feet and respond with "Wrong." with nothing to back it up?
 

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So you would deny our heritage too? Not only that but you would deny it and stand beside a foreigner who denies it also! :lol: Your a funny guy lone wolf...

Well first you have to get our herritage right before one can defend it.

Also, I am not a troll.

All I said was that I didn't respect our soldiers and it got this huge flood of mindless responses.

A troll starts things. I didn't start this. I only voiced my opinion and people couldn't handle it.

Only because you still haven't supplied any logical foundation for the statement you made except further contradictions towards principles you hold to yourself and those you hold to those who are willing to put a uniform on.
 

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Bit hypocritical of you don't you think? Considering thats what you did ealier in this thread.

Just stamp your feet and respond with "Wrong." with nothing to back it up?

Well thanks for coming out of the cave and giving me your two cents on the matter. How about you do us a favor and look back on Page 1 and see some of what I supplied to back up what I was talking about.

In fact, besides post #1, I've been the only one to actually supply any relevent infomation relating to what we are all talking about..... what have you done laitly?

Speaking of Hypocracy.

Thanks for playing though.
 

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Me too but I don't go to a US web forum to do it... interesting... hypocrites you say... hmmmm..

I used to venture to plenty of US related forums, it makes no difference where he, you or I go. Opinions on things you find interesting don't have borders.

Oh and before you decide to post "Well why don't you go back to those US forums" I'll stop you right there and tell you it's already expected by you to say, so I'll save you the time.

Oh and since you'll be expecting a response to your future comment, I would probably respond with "Because then I wouldn't be able to keep pissing you off."

But then you already knew I would say that anyways, didn't you?

There is no Spoon.
 
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I used to venture to plenty of US related forums, it makes no difference where he, you or I go. Opinions on things you find interesting don't have borders.

There are definitely differences in education, morals and values between borders. I suppose your doing your country a service by unwittingly trying to homogenize the world through the internet into a US clone. Don't be too surprised though when you come up against someone like me who won't be swayed by retarded arguments and Ad populum. I am someone who will have to be dealt with in the mop-up phase of world domination.

Oh and before you decide to post "Well why don't you go back to those US forums" I'll stop you right there and tell you it's already expected by you to say, so I'll save you the time.

I don't care where you post your propaganda but do expect to be called a hypocrite for it.

Oh and since you'll be expecting a response to your future comment, I would probably respond with "Because then I wouldn't be able to keep pissing you off."

But then you already knew I would say that anyways, didn't you?

There is no Spoon.

I have no idea what you will and will not say. The mind is a mysterious entity and I don't keep up with popular culture enough to have any idea what your programmed responses will be.

I can assure you, however, that you have not "pissed me off." I enjoy such exchanges as these. If I didn't I would leave.
 

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Of course you aren't swayed by arguements, any arguements, even valid ones.

You are deadset that you are correct in your opinions, even when they are without evidence to support them, even when they are proven wrong.

You are some virulent defender of Canadian culture, you are a brick wall oblivious to the world behind the narrow view you set for yourself, rejecting anything out of hand that doesn't fit into your pre-concieved notions.
 

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There are definitely differences in education, morals and values between borders. I suppose your doing your country a service by unwittingly trying to homogenize the world through the internet into a US clone.

OOooooo.....


CRUSH KILL DESTROY!!!

Don't be too surprised though when you come up against someone like me who won't be swayed by retarded arguments and Ad populum. I am someone who will have to be dealt with in the mop-up phase of world domination.

What as the dominator or the the hero against the dominators?

I don't care where you post your propaganda but do expect to be called a hypocrite for it.

By all means, either point out the propaganda or false statements I am making that make me a hypocrite or get over your holier then thou attitude... only one of us can have that attitude and I tucked it right between my arse cheeks.... try and get it.

Peace be with you

I have no idea what you will and will not say. The mind is a mysterious entity and I don't keep up with popular culture enough to have any idea what your programmed responses will be.

I'm programed am I? Let me guess..... I'm also the antichrist superstar and I chew the heads off of doves screaming "OZZY OZZY OZZY!!!" :roll:

I can assure you, however, that you have not "pissed me off." I enjoy such exchanges as these. If I didn't I would leave.

Suit yourself.
 
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Of course you aren't swayed by arguements, any arguements, even valid ones.

I have been swayed by a great many arguments but non of yours; that's true enough.

You are deadset that you are correct in your opinions, even when they are without evidence to support them, even when they are proven wrong.

You have never proven anything I have said wrong. Link?

I find it very telling that you would think being firm in ones own opinions is a detriment. So what do you recommend? That the main source of my information should be the same as yours? That my opinions should be formed on the firm ground of wish thinking and hours of Cartoon network viewing?

Your a funny guy :lol:

You are some virulent defender of Canadian culture, you are a brick wall oblivious to the world behind the narrow view you set for yourself, rejecting anything out of hand that doesn't fit into your pre-concieved notions.

Actually I could care less about Canadian culture (what little of it might actually exist).

I'm not sure what exactly your disputing here? Do you even know?

I suppose there is something I have said, some small detail you think is wrong, and so in keeping with your particular idiom, you have decided to single out that fact for dispute and maintain that my entire argument hinges on it - maybe my whole character. There is a sociological term for your problem: I've got you now you bastard. It is a learned family game that can be the source of much confusion between those that play it and those that don't. I don't play it. It matters little to me if a detail is out of place. It means nothing to the general argument. I expect all this is over your head.

This is probably about the baseball/basketball claim? If you are really interested in the truth you'll have to investigate it in the library. The US dominated internet isn't a very good source of information the US would find unsettling - it isn't actually a very good source of information period, despite the propaganda around it.
 

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OOooooo.....


CRUSH KILL DESTROY!!!

I like the new avatar!!

What as the dominator or the the hero against the dominators?

As always it is the classic class struggle.


By all means, either point out the propaganda or false statements I am making that make me a hypocrite or get over your holier then thou attitude... only one of us can have that attitude and I tucked it right between my arse cheeks.... try and get it.

Peace be with you

What again!!!! I tire of this prattle.

Anyway, you wouldn't know it even if I could demonstrate it to you. So I will ask you this: what is it about my posts that annoy you? what is it that drives you to respond to my posts like you do? Therein you will find your programmed responses.

I'm programed am I? Let me guess..... I'm also the antichrist superstar and I chew the heads off of doves screaming "OZZY OZZY OZZY!!!" :roll:

Quite right.


Suit yourself.

I always do :lol: