Atheist father loses case against religion

[karrie]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351275,00.html

An atheist father has lost his court case attempting to keep his son out of Catholic school.

All religious arguments aside, separate school seems to be the way to go, even in Canada, so I really don't blame the mother for pushing for it.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Bit of a stretch to call it a case against religion I think. Seems to me to be just a matter of whose wishes carry the most weight, and it looks like dad was outvoted 2-1 by other members of the family. If he'd won his case on grounds of conscientiously objecting to the Catholic school in question, then mom has the same case against whatever secular school dad wanted the child to attend. I think the child's wishes tip it. 14 is certainly old enough to have legitimate opinions. At least about some things. Besides, I'd bet the intent of the law was to prevent the state from implementing such compulsions and doesn't really apply to a parental dispute about the best interests of the child.

 

[karrie]

Why is it a stretch? It's what he used as his basis of argument.

 

[johai]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351275,00.html

An atheist father has lost his court case attempting to keep his son out of Catholic school.

All religious arguments aside, separate school seems to be the way to go, even in Canada, so I really don't blame the mother for pushing for it.

Religion, like unions cause nothing but trouble. Religion should be practiced outside of schools as an individual's right. Religion and it's followers have caused more deaths since history has been recorded and more than all "legitimate" wars. Union members are at over four million in Canada and have caused the closure of many companies. Because of his less than grade six education Buzz Hargrove has had to cancel his world tour using union funds which are only being paid by less than one quarter of members. You know that anyone who smiles too much is really laughing at you.

This is a personal opinion only, but hard to deny.
Let common sense and respect for the other prevail.
Johai

 

[karrie]

Religion, like unions cause nothing but trouble. Religion should be practiced outside of schools as an individual's right.

It's kind of hard to say someone has a right to practice religion only in times and places as specified by non-believers though don't you think?

Either freedom of religion is a right or it's not. We demote it to a privilege, like a driver's license, and limit it by by-laws and assorted arbitrary rules. We don't get to have it both ways though, call it a freedom, a right, and then try to stifle or limit it in others.

 

[darkbeaver]

Religion, like unions cause nothing but trouble. Religion should be practiced outside of schools as an individual's right. Religion and it's followers have caused more deaths since history has been recorded and more than all "legitimate" wars. Union members are at over four million in Canada and have caused the closure of many companies. Because of his less than grade six education Buzz Hargrove has had to cancel his world tour using union funds which are only being paid by less than one quarter of members. You know that anyone who smiles too much is really laughing at you.

This is a personal opinion only, but hard to deny.
Let common sense and respect for the other prevail.
Johai

Damn unions who needs child labour laws anyway and all those rediculous labour laws and how about the whimpy 40 hr week. What kind of man only works forty hours a week? Last time I talked to Hargroove he had big plans for me, that was 1985, I had other thoughts. While it is true that unionism has these days a bad rep it is truer still that the working class laments its seeming invisability as this depression unfolds we will see a resurgance in union activity and membership, and we will remember why unionism evolved in the first place.
Your characterizations of unions causing nothing but trouble is incorrect Johai, the list of social benefits directly attributable to the labour movement is very long, everyone of them of vital importance to the social fabric of this nation. Union membership has fallen steadily in the last three decades by design concurrent to that has been a steady drop in real income and a most destructive decline in good paying industrial jobs. The term McJob has weight and meaning. What working men and women the world over laboured and died to bring into law has been all but lost by the flunkys of the Church of Neo-Liberalism. We will witness worse before we witness better. It's a subject worthy of discussion.

Feel free to provide a list of plant closeures caused by unions. Feel free to provide a list of benefits provided by capitalist enterprise.

 

[johai]

Damn unions who needs child labour laws anyway and all those rediculous labour laws and how about the whimpy 40 hr week. What kind of man only works forty hours a week? Last time I talked to Hargroove he had big plans for me, that was 1985, I had other thoughts. While it is true that unionism has these days a bad rep it is truer still that the working class laments its seeming invisability as this depression unfolds we will see a resurgance in union activity and membership, and we will remember why unionism evolved in the first place.
Your characterizations of unions causing nothing but trouble is incorrect Johai, the list of social benefits directly attributable to the labour movement is very long, everyone of them of vital importance to the social fabric of this nation. Union membership has fallen steadily in the last three decades by design concurrent to that has been a steady drop in real income and a most destructive decline in good paying industrial jobs. The term McJob has weight and meaning. What working men and women the world over laboured and died to bring into law has been all but lost by the flunkys of the Church of Neo-Liberalism. We will witness worse before we witness better. It's a subject worthy of discussion.

Feel free to provide a list of plant closeures caused by unions. Feel free to provide a list of benefits provided by capitalist enterprise.

Hey Dark - Johai here,

Unions : in your own backyard--Steinberg's/Miracle Mart/Hyper Marcher >>>> bled Mitzi and Mel dry
in Windsor ON--GM truck plant--GM trim plant--Kelsey Hayes and Edmonton AB--Maple Leaf Foods plant
Capitalists: I always was in management and what ever benefits the unions gained were
afforded to managers.

You know that we could go back and forth on this all day and never agree. So I'll concede.
Regards,
Johai

 

[EagleSmack]

It's kind of hard to say someone has a right to practice religion only in times and places as specified by non-believers though don't you think?

Not hard for them.

 

[EagleSmack]

Damn unions who needs child labour laws anyway and all those rediculous labour laws and how about the whimpy 40 hr week. What kind of man only works forty hours a week? Last time I talked to Hargroove he had big plans for me, that was 1985, I had other thoughts. While it is true that unionism has these days a bad rep it is truer still that the working class laments its seeming invisability as this depression unfolds we will see a resurgance in union activity and membership, and we will remember why unionism evolved in the first place.
Your characterizations of unions causing nothing but trouble is incorrect Johai, the list of social benefits directly attributable to the labour movement is very long, everyone of them of vital importance to the social fabric of this nation. Union membership has fallen steadily in the last three decades by design concurrent to that has been a steady drop in real income and a most destructive decline in good paying industrial jobs. The term McJob has weight and meaning. What working men and women the world over laboured and died to bring into law has been all but lost by the flunkys of the Church of Neo-Liberalism. We will witness worse before we witness better. It's a subject worthy of discussion.

Feel free to provide a list of plant closeures caused by unions. Feel free to provide a list of benefits provided by capitalist enterprise.

I am with you on this one.

 

[MikeyDB]

Eaglesmack

Not trying to be oppositional here....

Do you think there's a link between the case of an atheist involved in a lawsuit...and the dynamics of socialism in the workplace?

 

[tracy]

Either freedom of religion is a right or it's not. We demote it to a privilege, like a driver's license, and limit it by by-laws and assorted arbitrary rules. We don't get to have it both ways though, call it a freedom, a right, and then try to stifle or limit it in others.

I don't think that's exactly true. For instance freedom of speech is a right, but I can't say anything I want at work. Freedom of religion is a right, but that doesn't make it limitless especially when children are involved. We routinely force blood transfusions against parent wishes and most people think it's fine. Every right has a limit somewhere.

I don't see the real problem though. Non-catholics can attend catholic schools. A 14 year old is old enough to decide for himself. I work in a catholic hospital currently and even though I'm not catholic, it's the best workplace I've found. I've never been pressured or made to feel unwelcome cause I'm a heathen. I absolutely love one of our nuns in fact.

 

[karrie]

I don't think that's exactly true. For instance freedom of speech is a right, but I can't say anything I want at work. Freedom of religion is a right, but that doesn't make it limitless especially when children are involved. We routinely force blood transfusions against parent wishes and most people think it's fine. Every right has a limit somewhere.

I don't see the real problem though. Non-catholics can attend catholic schools. A 14 year old is old enough to decide for himself. I work in a catholic hospital currently and even though I'm not catholic, it's the best workplace I've found. I've never been pressured or made to feel unwelcome cause I'm a heathen. I absolutely love one of our nuns in fact.

lol... a heathen.

I don't know though tracy. Practising religion in a school isn't quite the same as letting your child die due to your religion. I couldn't for the life of me tell you where the line is which differentiates the two in my mind, but, it's there somewhere.

 

[tracy]

lol... a heathen.

I don't know though tracy. Practising religion in a school isn't quite the same as letting your child die due to your religion. I couldn't for the life of me tell you where the line is which differentiates the two in my mind, but, it's there somewhere.

Ok, so how about.... telling a dirty joke at work? I have the right to free speech. Can I tell a dirty joke at work and be guaranteed no disciplinary action? Of course not. Religion is the same. You can pray, you can live your faith. That doesn't mean you can do it everywhere at any time. If I were muslim, I doubt my employer would be ok with me busting out a prayer mat in the middle of the unit 5 times a day.

 

[karrie]

good points tracy

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Religion is an imaginary friend. Hoodoo voodoo nonsense. If there was a god thingy, wouldn't it should its power to the rubes once in a while? Something really obvious say.