A challenge to our dear Christian friends.

johai

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Just for you:
Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

They **** you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were ****ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself
 

MHz

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It's God's Holy Bible that promotes stoning unruly children.

What does that make them?

Innocent human victims of a killer god.

That would seem to be separating the unruly from the obedient children. Who would you describe as being unruly? Like in kinds of acts. Would murder come under that definition?

You should do a mental update at some point, you and I are under NT Law, that not so little point seems to have escaped every cell in your brain.
 

talloola

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First of all, i believe the correct word is YOUR not yer. Secondly, my age should have nothing to do with this matter. Just because i am younger than you does not mean that i am in any way less intelligent than you. Finally, i am not an unruly child. One of the ten commandments states that you should obey your parents, i dont like to break commandments.

you're
 

zoofer

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Has Grumpy ever dissed the Koran and Allah?

If not why not? It is a religion too.

It wouldn't be that it is safer to denigrate Christians and Christ than it is to diss Allah and the Koran is it?

Nobody better hold their breath.
 

MHz

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I can understand him being a little pissed at the Church(s) being as he came out of one of them. I can hardly wait for his thread on politicians of the last 5,000 years.
 

mrgrumpy

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That would seem to be separating the unruly from the obedient children. Who would you describe as being unruly? Like in kinds of acts. Would murder come under that definition?

You should do a mental update at some point, you and I are under NT Law, that not so little point seems to have escaped every cell in your brain.

BEATING CHILDREN FOR JESUS?

http://www.funygroup.org/articles/beating.html
 

look3467

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Just for you:
Philip Larkin - This Be The Verse

They **** you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were ****ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself

Thats what you call not taking responsibility and blame others.

That is a common attitude of mankind to blame God for all its ills.

peace>>>AJ
 

gerryh

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what a pile of ****...... no wonder grumpy found it...he seems to enjoy wallowing in it.
 

MHz

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WOW, maybe those saying "Jesus is Lord." should check the resume of their next preacher. BTW grumpy (and members of that "Church") those are OT verses.

Now being a little more serious, if you fuked up back then you would get a death sentence for some things. Does Scripture say what dimensions a 'rod' was, I doubt it was a 'rod of iron', and to tell you the truth one whack (from a green willow branch)on the ass through a pair of jeans hurt a lot more than a spanking on the bare bottom. If that 'rod' was more like a switch then that bit of pain would stop whatever activity was going on, it could be a life-saver if that action could have lead to a more serious infraction of the law when they were older.

Do you remember a few years back when some American kid was sentenced to a lash from 'something like a willow switch'? The parents got the Gov. involved but the punishment went ahead anyway. Do you think that kid ever thought of 'keying the paint on a car' again? If he was smart he didn't, if he was stupid he did it again and is probably in prison now for other crimes.

grumpy, they have an offer for audio tapes on that site, you should get the whole set.
This may save you some money, just delete /beating.html, hopefully those articles are what the audio is about
 
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mrgrumpy

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WOW, maybe those saying "Jesus is Lord." should check the resume of their next preacher. BTW grumpy (and members of that "Church") those are OT verses.


Judging from the last couple posts it seems our Christian defenders are getting both a little testier and obviously more confused.

Perhaps you've forgotten the earlier texts about stoning children; easy to make excuses about what a rod might be, stones aren't that subject to "inrerpretation" though, eh?

And is Matthew OT? Maybe check out yer own Bible - our friends in Alberta nust be half way through a Molson six-pack by now to make such a silly statement.

And even IF the quotes were all from the OT, so what? Your God is your God is he not? Jesus and the Spirit and Daddy and all that hype, right?

Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it - just thought I'd give you a head's up; maybe you can be MORE prepared for an intelligent discussion than you obviously were today.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it ... .
Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...
 

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Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...

Well how about a little truth, can ya swallow it ?

Check the Church of Philidelpia, for instance. Of course if ya figure those writings have no significance, then forget it, ok ?
 

MHz

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Judging from the last couple posts it seems our Christian defenders are getting both a little testier and obviously more confused.
I just wanted it clarified if you see anybody in society as being an evil person and just what you define unruly as.

Perhaps you've forgotten the earlier texts about stoning children; easy to make excuses about what a rod might be, stones aren't that subject to "inrerpretation" though, eh?
It says a son, you are still a son of your parents, why do you insist on changing the words to suit your own agenda. You make it appear as somebody very young. What is the age of accountability for Jews? They aren't allowed to go to war before they are 20, is that the age when they could be held accountable to Laws that carry punishment? The parents instructions would have to be in harmony with those laws. As I said before, they didn't have prisons back then, death was their jail.

De:21:18:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son,
which will not obey the voice of his father,
or the voice of his mother,
and that,
when they have chastened him,
will not hearken unto them:
De:21:19:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of his city,
and unto the gate of his place;
De:21:20:
And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious,
he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton,
and a drunkard.
De:21:21:
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones,
that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you;
and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

And is Matthew OT? Maybe check out yer own Bible - our friends in Alberta nust be half way through a Molson six-pack by now to make such a silly statement.
Do you ever try and verify anything, when that was said He was talking to priests about the Law they were under, the conversation was before the cross. You keep grasping at things that don't even come close to supporting what you promote.

And even IF the quotes were all from the OT, so what? Your God is your God is he not? Jesus and the Spirit and Daddy and all that hype, right?
What do you mean, so what? What does a change in Law mean?

Tomorrow maybe we can discuss how Christian Europe slaughtered the Jews and used God's Holy Words to justify it - just thought I'd give you a head's up; maybe you can be MORE prepared for an intelligent discussion than you obviously were today.
How prepared should I get for you? Well they were probably killing a lot more than just Jews.

Good thought. Maybe we can start with a consideration of Crusaders wiping out Jewish settlements on the way to the Holy Land, or how the John who wrote Revelation condemned Jews as belonging to the "synagogue of Satan," thus letting loose centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, or how Rome was originally blamed for the crucifixion, until the emperor made Christianity the official state religion and blaming Rome became politically incorrect so it shifted to the Jews again...

You don't have to go that far, the 1st four Gospels have direct quotes from Jesus that more than spells that out. If the priests were acting outside their guidelines then they do belong to Satan.
Same if any Christian is acting outside our two Laws, they belong to Satan. Satan fighting Satan, no wonder he shouldn't have dominion over any living thing.
How hard is that to comprehend?

A God of love or a God of murder and atrocities?

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/greywlf/biblegod.html

I suppose He could have let Noah's family become corrupted if that was His plan, obviously it wasn't.
Bitch all you want that He hasn't yet taken firm control of your life.
 

jenn

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Atheist Holiday

Court Ruling

This is courtesy of Connie Hooper, a lady, who works for the judicial system in Florida.

Have you heard about this case? Great answer from the judge!

In Florida , an atheist became incensed over the preparation of Easter and Passover holidays. He decided to contact his lawyer about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while atheists had no holiday to celebrate. The case was brought before a judge.

After listening to the long passionate presentation by the lawyer, the Judge banged his gavel and declared, 'Case dismissed!'

The lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, 'Your honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah...yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!'

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, 'Obviously your client is too confused to even know about, much less celebrate his own atheists' holiday!'

The lawyer pompously said, 'Your Honor, we are unaware of any such holiday for atheists. Just when might that holiday be, your Honor?'

The judge said, 'Well it comes every year on exactly the same date---April 1st! Since our calendar sets April 1st as 'April Fools Day,' consider that Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, in my opinion, if your client says there is no God, then by scripture, he is a fool, and April 1st is his holiday!