It also talks about their release, so it is sealed for that 1000 years but that is it. Those are the ones being offered water in Re:21.
A challenge to our dear Christian friends.
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Revalation 21 states "The fearful, unbelieving, and the abomidable, and murderers, and *****mongers,and sorcerers, and idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone(hell)
Okay, i agree with you there, there were evil preists that tried to force their religions upon native americans among others. Those people were wrong and i will not try to defend their evil. Also, Christians did some cruel things to each other, Northern Ireland and the European wars of religion for example it wasnt just directed against non=believers
That is for those who have do those things after having gone through the previous few verses.
Re:21:6: And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Re:21:7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Sin after this point is the lake with no hope of repenting. That is why Satan's sin in Genesis carried the penalty of the lake. Our sins in the flesh are the ones being listed, they are the ones Angels have always been under.
Yes, it is saying that we all sin and in life we have the chance of repentance and the part about giving water to those who thirst he is talking of the bible that will quench your thirst eternally, he does not mean literally he means that by reading his word and following it you will 'thirst no more' and get into heaven
I've also really enjoyed this conversation and look forward to continuing tomorrow but i have to get to bed, i have scholl tomorrow. I will see you then my fine debating comrades
No one will have to disprove that god exists, until someone proves that he does, that has
never been done. It is all a believe system, not a proven system.
Thank you, i agree, it is based on belief or faith if you will, keep that in mind, and ill expand on it tomorrw
They are informed of the water, the next chapter describes where they are when they drink the water, this isn't about wisdom, it is about the start of eternal life.
Well MHz, i will try to read some more of Revalations tonight, and i cant wait to talk with you tomorrow on that subject, but for now i must be going
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/WestTech/evili.htm
Some reading for people about who built the reputation of the Roman Catholic Church and others…..
Nasty folk who performed acts of cruelty and murder in the name of ‘god’.
Some reading for people about who built the reputation of the Roman Catholic Church and others…..
Nasty folk who performed acts of cruelty and murder in the name of ‘god’.
You may agree with me on some points McCaulley, but I know you will disagree with me on many other things.
I say that in all kindness because I have an understanding unlike you've heard the likes before.
I treat believer and unbeliever alike as per my understanding, of which religion segregates.
So fair warning my good fellow.
Peace>>>AJ
no, I believe you should treat all people equal, believer and unbeliever, we are all the children of God and so we should treat each other with respect, i do not believe people should be killed in the name of God unless they represent a direct threat to Christians
If there was an award for understatement of the year on CC I'd nominate this post.
It only took the death of an estimated 110,000,000 people for "loving" Christians to figure out murder is bad? I thought that book they carried around mentioned something about killing?
And some did cruel things? Your kidding right?
DOes that make all christians bad? i bet some atheists have killed people but no one goes around saying that athiests are murderers ? Im sorry for what some Christians have done in the past, there are bad people in all religions, look at muslims, but anyhow there have been very good Christians too, such as Mother Terresa, and St. Patrick, John the Baptist, so you cannot say that CHristians have been killing people for many years before they found out murder is bad, plus there is the fact that killing in defense of yourself or loved ones is justified as is accidental killings, so calm down there in your accusiations
Well the Nation's of the world carry the sword not the Church. And I doubt the Church is very concerned about who is dying as long as it isn't on their own block.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
I assume defense is if an attacker is in your face coming at you, when he tries to flee that danger is past, if he dies while running away the defense argument doesn't hold.
If your sins are why somebody wants you dead, well too bad, hope he succeeds.
no one has the right to 'judge' someone, decide that he/she has 'sinned', then kill him/her, that is too much like bush and friends did in iraq, they decided that saddam
had done wrong by having wmds,( bleep'wrong), went into that country, killed thousands
and thousands, (bleep-wrong).
When a person, or a country use that kind of arrogance, and elect themselves judge and jury, they are the 'crazys', and
should be feared.
I was talking about individual defense, not pre-emtive strikes.
The odds of somebody wanting you dead goes higher the more you piss people off. In theory, 2 Laws, if a person is helping somebody they rarely get killed for it.
In the Church leaven is taking care of by not associating with a 'sinner'. If you can't kill your own sinners why should you be able to kill others for the same sin?
The odds of somebody wanting you dead goes higher the more you piss people off. In theory, 2 Laws, if a person is helping somebody they rarely get killed for it.
In the Church leaven is taking care of by not associating with a 'sinner'. If you can't kill your own sinners why should you be able to kill others for the same sin?