A challenge to our dear Christian friends.

[MHz]

I will explain it to you and perhaps you might see to make a big difference from the literal rendition of it.

2Ki 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2Ki 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Are you even aware of who 'he' was? When the children were saying "Go up" they were telling him to ascend to heaven, same as his father did just before this event. That is what they were mocking him about. Even if he knew his father was with God it was well within the full month allowed for grieving a 'missing from the living' parent.

Two she bears and 42 children represent two 42 month periods equal to 3-1/2 years each doubled is 7 years, or the 7-day creation period.

Why 'she' bears and not 'he' bears, and why only 42 instead of all the children that were there?
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[look3467]

Are you even aware of who 'he' was? When the children were saying "Go up" they were telling him to ascend to heaven, same as his father did just before this event. That is what they were mocking him about. Even if he knew his father was with God it was well within the full month allowed for grieving a 'missing from the living' parent.


Why 'she' bears and not 'he' bears, and why only 42 instead of all the children that were there?
Creation only took 6 full days,
Ge:1:31:
And God saw every thing that he had made,
and,
behold,
it was very good.
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The point is that Jesus had to engulf (Consume) the whole 7 day creation in order for life to be gifted to all mankind.

The she/he is insignificant, the point is the 42 months of Jesus' ministry doubled twice for God to bring it to pass.

Doubled twice is like:
Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

Jesus bought the week, lock stock and barrel, the proud owner of the tree of knowledge of Good and evil, for He died on that tree, and with His blood purchased it.

The 8th day becomes the new week because the 6th day is taken out of time and the eight day falls in place of the 7th day, the 7th falls in place of the sixth.

The whole bible is about the 7 day creation being made new.

peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

Are you aware of who Job was a similitude to? Of Abraham? Of Noah? Of David? and many others?

Jesus!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[MHz]

Was Elisha in grief or not?
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.

 

[mrgrumpy]

Our Dear Christian Friends are 'admonishing themselves in love' and squabbling over interpretations of who was a "similitude" for someone else...ISN'T THAT SWEET!

Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...

 

[MHz]

When haven't there been disagreements over Scripture? Even John's disciples and the Jews did it.
Nice of you to put an age to where you are when you argue about that book.

 

[look3467]

Our Dear Christian Friends are 'admonishing themselves in love' and squabbling over interpretations of who was a "similitude" for someone else...ISN'T THAT SWEET!

Reminds me of four-year-olds playing doctor and nurse...

My "dear" friend megrunpy, you, I don't expect a standard of respect to wards Gods desires, but MHz who is a believer, is expected to.

We are not any better for being a believer, but are expected to be separate from the world, otherwise, can we show anything Godly?

The demonstration of love is in the face of adversity, ridicule and forgiveness, to the end, compassion, long-sufferring, kindness :
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Suffer the believer to exercise these qualities which makes the demonstration of God a real thing.

Otherwise, we are the same as the world.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

Was Elisha in grief or not?
2Ki:2:11:
And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked,
that,
behold,
there appeared a chariot of fire,
and horses of fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki:2:12:
And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,
My father,
my father,
the chariot of Israel,
and the horsemen thereof.
And he saw him no more:
and he took hold of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.

Again the story is used as a similitude for the passion of Christ, was Jesus in pain, grief?

The chariot is Israel carrying out the Fathers desires, the horses is Jesus carrying out His mission and both were cut off, the head as well as the tail, both in one day.

Jesus Cried out Father why has thou forsaken me, and were not His clothes rent, a symbol of division, one into two parts is done spiritually?

Similitudes:
Luk 23:45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
2Ki 5:8 And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.

Those were prophecies in similitude of the day of Jesus death.

The vail was rent in two, the old can not be with the new, for the old must die, the new live.

Jesus became King of Israel the day of His crucification and the prophecy was repeated when they said: Repeating the last part of the verse 2 Kings 5:8 in similitude verse :
Mat 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

The world wants a demonstration of Gods power by calling Him down to show us so that we may believe, but then, there would be no faith, for faith requires that we don't see with the human eye, but believe in hope that we see with the spiritual eye the truth which saves our souls.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[mrgrumpy]

The intensity of your religious conviction is inversely proportional to your grip on reality.

 

[MHz]

You forgot the quotation marks and naming the source which is Michael DeRousselle.

Stealing someone else's thunder are you, how low can you go?

Your belief or lack of belief will result in you being in one of two places. Since you like to quote others perhaps you can tell who gets to be in which group.

Isa:65:13-15
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:

 

[mrgrumpy]

Oh dear, you're offended a quote wasn't given a source? Terribly, terribly sorry...I can understand one who is always posting dreck from the Book of Myths getting a little anal about quotes.

Here's one from Friedrich Nietzche, maybe you've heard of him, h'mm.

I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity,the one great instict of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret...or small enough - I call it the one immortal blemish on the human race.

 

[MHz]

Let me guess, the RCC was the popular Church of the time between 1844-78 in Röcken, EC Germany. He didn't start out an atheist but he certainly ended up that way.
http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9423452
"He was a strongly religious child"

Curious that the Nazis took to his teachings, and look how well they turned out.

 

[mrgrumpy]

MHz -

I'm glad you are paying attention and doing the necessary research. There may be hope for you yet!

I was a strongly religious child, too. Perhaps you were as well.

I now understand how parents who mean well, but have wishful thinking and a sense of obedience to clergymen, can purposely and/or inadvertently brainwash their children.

No doubt you are still a victim.

As for the Nazi's there too is a lesson we can learn on the subject of stupidity;

How could a society as developed, cultured and achievement oriented as the German peoples be sucked into the propoganda of the Nationalist Socialist Party and one Adolph Hitler?

The answer would take a large effort to explain but in the study one would see many, many similiarities between the corruption of a free and democratic people and the same process the churches have used to intinmidate and brainwash whole cultures into believing the unbelievable.

The Nazi's were quite adaept at learning how to brainwash the Germans - they learned a lot of lessons from organized religion - both Lutheran AND Catholic methodologies.....

I do recommend more study on this subject for you. There is a clear link between the evils of religion, Naziism and a host of other evils.

Come back when yer better educated and understand that this invented God of yours is just a useful tool for evil men and women to torment the innocent.

Happy reading!!.. got the Easter eggs painted yet?

 

[look3467]

The intensity of your religious conviction is inversely proportional to your grip on reality.

Directly proportional to reality, my friend, for the spirit is over the flesh, and the reality of it all is that I could do without all of it for a better life not of this world.

But, since I am in the flesh, I must redeem my time here as well spent in the aid and helping my neighbor.

peace>>>AJ

 

[mrgrumpy]

Dear AJ,

Your condition seems to be deteriorating.

Even your cohort, or "similitude" as you are fond of noting, is concerned about your fixations. Given our friend in RED DEER is perhaps only a notch up on the scale of living in the real world, perhaps you and MHz could seek a private corner to discuss a return to sanity and an escape from this increasingly worrying decline into RELIGIOUS PSYCHOSIS.

There are places you and MHz could get together at. Hope the straight-jackets aren't too tight.

 

[MHz]

My parents gave me free will about religion when I was about 10 or 12.

Force has never worked with something that should be voluntary, it has the opposite effect. I didn't have to break free of any shackles, I was never shackled. If I wear a yoke today it is because I put it there and it is no burden on me nor anybody I can affect in life.

Propaganda and false-flags spring to mind, when you control the 'news' people get what other result would you expect? Putting trust where it should not belong has sucked many people in, you know that. The most successful lie is nothing but a twist on something that is actually true.

Are you saying politics can be just as evil as religion? If so, I agree. Anytime deception is used to reach an end-goal there is no difference. When cooking in aluminum pots was linked at Alzheimer's did big-biz destroy all the pots, no they starting shipping them to countries that didn't know that part, nor did they tell them, that's just as evil as false religion or dishonest politics.

Was it religion that made them evil or are the just evil using a forn of corrupted religion?

I'm quite sane thank you, and I have the papers to prove it. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL, almost made myself dizzy there, better back off on the caffeine for a day or so!

 

[mrgrumpy]

The Divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.

John Adams

 

[mrgrumpy]

I'm quite sane thank you, and I have the papers to prove it. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL, almost made myself dizzy there, better back off on the caffeine for a day or so!

Are you Okay? I know your last religionist buddy AJ has had a severe breakdown and now it seems you are having problems as well? Maybe too much Holy Incense, chanting,fevered prayers to a non-existent God?...I know it's all such a wretched business, so much energy needed to keep up the illusion of a dear Jesus that loves you...maybe take some aspirin and hope a sense of REALITY returns in the morning.

 

[MHz]

Didn't that crow go down very good last night, you seem to be fixated on some sort of medical care being needed. How many times did your mother tell you to stop picking up road-kill anyway, specially if it's been there a few days. You wouldn't listen then and you still haven't picked up on that wisdom, apparently, now look at you, little bit of bad meat and look where it got you.

 

[mrgrumpy]

Didn't that crow go down very good last night, you seem to be fixated on some sort of medical care being needed. How many times did your mother tell you to stop picking up road-kill anyway, specially if it's been there a few days. You wouldn't listen then and you still haven't picked up on that wisdom, apparently, now look at you, little bit of bad meat and look where it got you.

My, my you seem to be getting right NASTY in support of your illusions!

I willl take this as a sign of DEFEAT.

HAR HAR HAR.!!!