The Asteroid 2007 WD5 will not impact Mars.
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Thankyou, so you are obliged to forbear my transgressions and I am obliged by my god to extend you the exact same courtesy for the exact same reasons. I'll let god decide my merit when we meet, I'm comfortable and secure in my belief that I do not transgress overmuch, however I am not concieted (sin) enough to declare my perfection at this premature time and must allow latitude for my eventual improvement in association and congeniality with the noteable and near illustrious personages in this forum.
57. {Kugler, SSB,I,226-227}. "The length of the longest day in a year depends on the latitude, or the distance from the pole, and is different at different places. Gnomons or sundials can be built with great precision. The Babylonian astronomical tablets of the eighth century provide exact data, according to which the longest day at Babylon was equal to 14 hours, 24 minutes, whereas the modern determination is 14 hours 10 minutes and 54 seconds." 'the difference between the two figures is too great to be attributable to refraction, which makes the sun still visible over the horizon after it has set. Thus, the greater length of the day corresponds to latitude 34 degrees 57 minutes, and points to a place 2 1/2 degrees further to the north; we stand therefore before a strange riddle [vor einem merkwurdgien Ratsel.]. One tries to decide: either the tablets of System II do not originate from Babylon [though referring to Babylon] or this city actually was situated far [farther] to the north, about 35away from the equator." [Kugler, Die babylonische Mondrechnung: Zwei Systeme der Chaldäer über den Lauf des Mondes und der Sonne (1900), p.80]
58. Claudius Ptolemy, who in his Almagest, made computations for contemporaneous and ancient Babylon, arrived at two different estimates of the longest day at that city, and consequently of the latitude at which it was located. One of his estimates being practically of the present-day value, the other coinciding with the figure of the ancient Babylonian tables, 14 hours, 24 minutes." [ Worlds in Collision, p.319 ] The Arabian medieval scholar Arzachel computed from ancient codices that in more ancient times Babylon was situated at a latitude of 35 degrees 0 minutes from the equator, while in later times it was situated more to the south. Johannes Kepler drew attention to this calculation of Arzachel and to the fact that between ancient and modern Babylon there was thus a difference in latitude."
59. "Thus Ptolemy and likewise Arzachel, computed that in historical times Babylon was situated at latitude 35. Modern scholars arrived at identical results on the basis of ancient Babylonian computations. 'This much, therefore, is certain: our tables [System II, and I also], and the astronomers mentioned as well, point to a place about 35 north latitude. Is it possible that they were mistaken by 2 to 21/2 degrees ? This is scarcely possible.'" {Kugler, ibid., p.81.}
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58. Claudius Ptolemy, who in his Almagest, made computations for contemporaneous and ancient Babylon, arrived at two different estimates of the longest day at that city, and consequently of the latitude at which it was located. One of his estimates being practically of the present-day value, the other coinciding with the figure of the ancient Babylonian tables, 14 hours, 24 minutes." [ Worlds in Collision, p.319 ] The Arabian medieval scholar Arzachel computed from ancient codices that in more ancient times Babylon was situated at a latitude of 35 degrees 0 minutes from the equator, while in later times it was situated more to the south. Johannes Kepler drew attention to this calculation of Arzachel and to the fact that between ancient and modern Babylon there was thus a difference in latitude."
59. "Thus Ptolemy and likewise Arzachel, computed that in historical times Babylon was situated at latitude 35. Modern scholars arrived at identical results on the basis of ancient Babylonian computations. 'This much, therefore, is certain: our tables [System II, and I also], and the astronomers mentioned as well, point to a place about 35 north latitude. Is it possible that they were mistaken by 2 to 21/2 degrees ? This is scarcely possible.'" {Kugler, ibid., p.81.}
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God is one and complete and therefore All-knowing, including these three aspects of knowledge
the known, the unknown and the unknowable. If we do not admit the unknowable then we refute and pollute the all-knowing god, for to know the unknowable is to trangress on gods supremacy.We will never be gods peers but will always remain children.
Darkbeaver,
You are suitable to work with the UN committees for reforming. But to me I have a clear insight what I do and say; thanks to God.
This is : He knows the secret, the unseen, the past, the future as well as the known. Jesus said to God when He judged him concerning that people worshipped him apart from or together with God; as in the Quran 5: 116
قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوبِ
The explanation:([Jesus] said: "Glory be to You! I haven't the right to say what I have no right to. If I had said it You would have known it; You know what is in myself but I know not what is in Yourself; it is You Who knows unknown secrets." )
With all respect, if eanassir's life depended on his understanding of physics and history, and his solid grasp of reality, he would have shucked his mortal coil a long time ago. If eanassir stayed on these forums for the next twenty five years, a career could be made of correcting his errors in those fields alone. I wish eanassir no ill will. I just wish he would learn something about a subject before writing about it or quoting someone equally ignorant.
Well, are we not engaged in exploration of the universe, each attempting to broaden personal perspectives exercising civility and consideration at the same time. Take the seed let the wind blow the chaff away. Casteth not the infant out with the bathing waters of Jorden etc; Art chap II pg7 verse 11.
Darkbeaver,
All the story is that I was wrangling with some members of one of the forms. That member did not agree with me, and he said to me: See this link http://www.matter-antimatter.com/comets.htm .
When I opened this link, I saw it includes many things that go along with my post here in the Cnadian Forum.
Then when you replied to me on Sun, 03 Feb 2008 , I liked to cite the link to you and others. Whether this link is authentic or not; I don't know.
Moreover, I don't intend to impose myself and my ideas on others, neither to compel others to agree about any idea or doctrine.
Merely, I display the idea, and anyone likes to accept or refuse, it is his own.
You are not at fault. Your detractors here are inconsequential barbarians, uneducated and steeped in cheap commercial ignorance, corn flakes all of them quickly sodden by the milk of enlightenment. I continue to enjoy your participation, soon I will have some questions for you regarding your teachers ancestry.:smile:
;-)
How would you know heathen barbarian? Most likely consulted a chickens entrails again didn't you?:lol:
Nice try, but it's not that simple. You're presenting demonstrably false and often ludicrous claims as science in a Science & Environment forum, without evidence or logic, just the authority of the Koran and one, by your own admission, ignorant man's interpretation of it. Every now and then you do cite some real science in support of your claims, like the NASA site you referred to a few posts ago, but even when you do that you get it wrong, because you don't understand how science works and that your citations don't support your claims.
Don't pretend you're not trying to bring us to your version of religious truth. You're preaching and proselytizing, and like most such people, you have no evidence or logic behind you, only authority and BS. You should watch George Carlin's YouTube video about religion.
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Cheap shot, Beave, not worthy of you. I thought for a long time you were just putting us on here, and I'm still not entirely convinced you're not, I thought you were smarter than that, but mostly now I'm pretty sure you're actually buying eanassir's nonsense. In which case: Your and eanassir's 'big picture,' very like that of the dinosaurs about to get wiped out by a meteorite impact in that image, is composed mostly of ignorance, fantasy, mysticism, and superstition, and demonstrably so. Somehow it seems relevant to point out that the cartoon is based on relatively recent discoveries that provide an excellent example of how science actually works: a daring hypothesis, with some good evidence but not enough to prove the case, just enough to generate the hypothesis, several decades of detailed field work in geology and paleontology and other sciences, with lots of controversy and argument along the way, and more than a little political BS and ego (scientists are human too), but all the evidence ultimately converged to the same conclusion: hypothesis confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt, even to the point of finding the likely impact site. The real 'big picture' as science has discovered it, with Newtonian mechanics and Maxwell's equations and relativity and quantum theory and evolution and continental drift and a thousand other things, is far more complex, interesting, and challenging than anything any ignorant, superstitious mystic ever imagined.
The mystical and religious imagination is desperately impoverished compared to what science has discovered about reality. What, for instance, does al-Hilly, and by extension eanassir, say about mass extinctions? There have been five major ones that we know of, in which at least 50% of species disappeared, and at least nine minor ones. They mark the boundaries between the divisions on the geological time scale. The most recent major one, at the end of the Cretaceous 65 million years ago, was due to a meteorite impact, the others seem to be due to global climate change. The worst one by far was the one that ended the Permian about 250 million years ago; something like 90% of species snuffed it in that one, and it's strongly associated with markers in the fossil record indicating a sudden, very large increase in greenhouse gases to over twice today's levels. There is powerful evidence that at various times in the last 500 million years the earth has been almost entirely glaciated, and almost entirely tropical. Name me a mystical magical thinker who predicted that.
You want to know about the cosmos around you? Science is the only reliable way we've ever found for testing the truth content of ideas. If you've got a better one, or even another one just as good, lay it out. Otherwise you're just spitting into the wind.
The mystical and religious imagination is desperately impoverished compared to what science has discovered about reality. What, for instance, does al-Hilly, and by extension eanassir, say about mass extinctions? There have been five major ones that we know of, in which at least 50% of species disappeared, and at least nine minor ones. They mark the boundaries between the divisions on the geological time scale. The most recent major one, at the end of the Cretaceous 65 million years ago, was due to a meteorite impact, the others seem to be due to global climate change. The worst one by far was the one that ended the Permian about 250 million years ago; something like 90% of species snuffed it in that one, and it's strongly associated with markers in the fossil record indicating a sudden, very large increase in greenhouse gases to over twice today's levels. There is powerful evidence that at various times in the last 500 million years the earth has been almost entirely glaciated, and almost entirely tropical. Name me a mystical magical thinker who predicted that.
You want to know about the cosmos around you? Science is the only reliable way we've ever found for testing the truth content of ideas. If you've got a better one, or even another one just as good, lay it out. Otherwise you're just spitting into the wind.
My reaction in reply on February 7th, 2008, 10:45 PM and the following replies was unwise.
Down with all comets and meteorites! but not down upon Canada and all other earth countries, I hope.
Down with all comets and meteorites! but not down upon Canada and all other earth countries, I hope.
eanassir
The very ancient past, like these millions of years, cannot be precisely guessed; these are all theories and postulations. It may be correct; it may be not; mostly they are wrong.
Some of the fossils, that they discovered and founded - on that - such theories, such fossils may have come embedded in some portions of some destroyed planets in the past; such creatures may have lived there.
Moreover, such stages of development on earth, are only by God's creation, not by spontaneous evolution. He creates at every stage what is suitable for the environment and the different circumstances. He creates various creatures and species according to the stage of earth development.
Some of the fossils, that they discovered and founded - on that - such theories, such fossils may have come embedded in some portions of some destroyed planets in the past; such creatures may have lived there.
Moreover, such stages of development on earth, are only by God's creation, not by spontaneous evolution. He creates at every stage what is suitable for the environment and the different circumstances. He creates various creatures and species according to the stage of earth development.
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Darkbeaver,
How can such comet destroy all the dinasors? Did all the dinasors live in one area of the earth? Or did it show its supposed influence by another way?