For Canadians wishing to oppose the coming North American Union

EastSideScotian

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I dont think that will happen anytime soon....Maybe if Canada had a massive Economic issue...which doesnt look like it will happen...And we would vote on something like that...Chances are we would vote against it...unless ours lifestyle greatly depended on it.
 

darkbeaver

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I dont think that will happen anytime soon....Maybe if Canada had a massive Economic issue...which doesnt look like it will happen...And we would vote on something like that...Chances are we would vote against it...unless ours lifestyle greatly depended on it.

Canada is welded to the American economy, where they go we will follow. No one will ever get to vote on NAU not American Canadian or Mexican, it will be enacted under executive order soon as the economy in the states collapses and the next north american terrorist attack takes place, then martial law, roundups of dissidents and good old fashioned police state fascism, all the orders and legislation are in place including the corporate militias (black water) and the concentration camps. Think I'm jokeing, just have to wait and watch the show, after the planned economic collapse. Soon as the market been completely raped Ka-boom, we're in Nazi-land, home of the true north stunned and owned.
 

EastSideScotian

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Canada is welded to the American economy, where they go we will follow. No one will ever get to vote on NAU not American Canadian or Mexican, it will be enacted under executive order soon as the economy in the states collapses and the next north american terrorist attack takes place, then martial law, roundups of dissidents and good old fashioned police state fascism, all the orders and legislation are in place including the corporate militias (black water) and the concentration camps. Think I'm jokeing, just have to wait and watch the show, after the planned economic collapse. Soon as the market been completely raped Ka-boom, we're in Nazi-land, home of the true north stunned and owned.
Its unfortunate then that you see Canadians as people who would sit back and let all our freedoms go out the window...Iam sure there would be some action on that... What type I dont know....but Canadians ones who value what we are would do something about it....unless like I said our lifestyles depended on it....but as soon as our lifestyles are threatend then yes we will act accordingly..
 

darkbeaver

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Its unfortunate then that you see Canadians as people who would sit back and let all our freedoms go out the window...Iam sure there would be some action on that... What type I dont know....but Canadians ones who value what we are would do something about it....unless like I said our lifestyles depended on it....but as soon as our lifestyles are threatend then yes we will act accordingly..

Like how? Most of armed forces are away over on the other side of the freakin planet phuckin -up life for Muslims, including our Navy which keeps the sea safe for Uncle Sam. I want my Army on my borders with loaded weapons pointing in the most likely direction of an attack, instead of shooting goatherds and getting killed by IEDs.
 

darkbeaver

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Its unfortunate then that you see Canadians as people who would sit back and let all our freedoms go out the window...Iam sure there would be some action on that... What type I dont know....but Canadians ones who value what we are would do something about it....unless like I said our lifestyles depended on it....but as soon as our lifestyles are threatend then yes we will act accordingly..

Anytime you've got a problem with the kind of "Canadians that would sit back and let all our freedoms go out the window" you better know that it ain't me, but it is the corporate pigs and thier boot lickin politicians who've already sold us to Uncle Sam and the scum bag bankers. You won't have to wait to much longer to see what's what, just follow the money trail.
 

EastSideScotian

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I guess you will have to wait and see that your theroies are just that....

Also a North American Union means a stronger economy yes....Canada However will still be Canada...and Mexico will maybe Benifit....Though Id rather not Tie our Economey with the americans becuas eit has great potential...and we all know it...so iam pretty sure we want to keep it our own. Thats my Opinion however....Anything is possible I guess....but nothing is forsure.
 

darkbeaver

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I guess you will have to wait and see that your theroies are just that....

Also a North American Union means a stronger economy yes....Canada However will still be Canada...and Mexico will maybe Benifit....Though Id rather not Tie our Economey with the americans becuas eit has great potential...and we all know it...so iam pretty sure we want to keep it our own. Thats my Opinion however....Anything is possible I guess....but nothing is forsure.

You better check the news, America is bankrupt and sinking into depression like a lead pelican. Thier economy is ten times ours, it'll suck us dry in a year, water, gas,oil, trees, air, land and every industry we haven't already given them. The only potential it has is to conduct virtually unrestricted war to steal everybody elses resources.
 

EastSideScotian

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You better check the news, America is bankrupt and sinking into depression like a lead pelican. Thier economy is ten times ours, it'll suck us dry in a year, water, gas,oil, trees, air, land and every industry we haven't already given them. The only potential it has is to conduct virtually unrestricted war to steal everybody elses resources.
We arent going into ressesion they are...how does that harm us, we have other countries to trade with...and they will be begging for us to buy their crap still.

We still got all our stuff, and they still have and need to sell all the stuff we want...it doesnt hurt us a bit.so we buy their crap and then they turn aorund and buy our crap....see how that works..nothing will change for us....China is going to be the hurting ones in this ression not Canada...
 

Lester

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China still has the rest of the world to sell to EU, Japan, India - if China has a hard time they will simply divest their 1 trillion dollars in U.S. securities that will start a panic sell off because no Country will want to be the last one holding the bag.
 

MHz

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So what ? _our constitution also says something about not paying taxes to the federal government ,how true is that ?
This is the latest article I have found on this subject.
http://www.freedomparty.org/consent/cons24_4.htm

The reason that this is useful to the OP is that the NAU is an issue that already has a process of how it has to be done in order for it be 'in effect'. It tells us that each Legislature has a certain process that has to be followed, with the NAU it brings in the clauses that deal with constitutional matters.
IE, the B.N.A. that was signed in 1867 as a starting point.

Voting by all the people has to be done for some issues. Anything to deal with changes to our constitution has to be taken to a referendum by all the people, that has never changed, nor can it be until there is a vote by all the 'common voters' saying referendums are now obsolete. It only takes an objection of 'a few' to bring any new law to a vote by all the voters. MP's, ect. get 1 vote each.

The NAU would seem affect our current constitution.

It changes the purpose of having 'elected people' if they take their advice from 'business' whose loyalty is to the share-holders and not the voters. Harper has already said {while in Mexico for a meeting} that this 'deal' would make 'businesses' the only ones 'advice on how to handle things' the "govt' would listen too. The chilling part were his words to the effect that steps would be taken to ensure that 'their advice would be followed', not something that any vote could affect.

If the NAU would make 'all voters' also 'a share-holder' then they (voters) would retain 'some input' into the direction any business would take.
In a transparent govt all things are discussed 'in public' before they can be acted upon, (decisions based on input from voters) . In a business 'board-room' the direction is made in 'secret', the meetings of anything NAU is held in secret, we don't even get a list of who attends, let alone anything that is discussed and what direction it is certainly headed. Since business is about 'profit' for only some and that come at somebody else's expense (share-holders vs without any shares). Winners and Losers.
I'm not sure why 'the people' should pay the salaries of somebody who 'takes their orders' from somebody else in a meeting that is kept secret from the ones paying them to be there.
The ones who vote in a person should be able to 'have them wired' so their conduct can be monitored by the ones who he has 'a say for' in some matters, not just the few sound-bites available these days but the whole of what was said during any meeting (or telephone call that was business related) or speeches, like a closed-door meeting.
 

darkbeaver

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I would say that the terms of union have already been met and are in effect in the areas of police and military where we can descern no practicle division, similarly there exists no difference in forigne policy except a shallow transparent facade. Neither is there any effective difference between the three main political parties. So for all intents and purposes the deal is already done. I believe that this bodes ill for the type and conditions of Canadian governance for the immeadiate future post global war which is being staged in the balkans and the ME. Hostilitys will be multiplied manifold in the coming months. There will be no vote on the terms of the NAU agreement where they know open discussion and public participation in the agreement would not pass the perusal of the electorate. National security will be cited as the reason to institute fascism officially in Canada.
 

Avro

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Sorry I don't have time for your web site I'm to busy trying to figure out how Bush blew up the world trade center.:roll::lol:
 

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The state is not the solution, it is the problem regardless of what form or entity it envisions of itself. Whether it be a democracy, monarchy, totalitarian, or even national, democratic, and interventionist socialists, it is all the same. They are just different approaches to the same goal of statists to control and rule over the lives of men. If the state were disarmed then we wouldn't see such workings of national unions. There would be no means to carry it out and if it did transpire it would be so circumscribed in it its capabilities it would render it an inessential resolution.

A more desirable vision to undertake would be to advocate less government and interventionist matters into the affairs of men. In an international sense we should leave bodies such as the UN, NATO, WTO, and NAFTA. If we actually wish to encourage open and free trade then we shouldn't have an agency to over see it, it should just be a given. This however starts at home and only when the people realise the state is the problem and begin to demand its withdrawal from their lives will we see a more fair and free society take place.
 

darkbeaver

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Bukanins way appeals to me as well, but what I can't see is it's unilateral adoption. What would fall into the vacuum created by disolution of the state? There seems to be no human institutional mechanism that does not naturally snowball into the state.
 

darkbeaver

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If by adult you mean looney toon nut jobs looking for monsters under their beds then believe me I want no part of it.
What I mean by adult is mature and interested in discussion and sharing information and sources.You could qualify but choose not to, therefore I have assumed you to be unable to engage. I have taken advantage of this place while I'v been here to take the advice of many interesting and informed people who have helped me form a deeper better opinion of the human condition than what I had previously, if you don't want to do that fine, but it is called learning which I'm not yet tired of. When a person willfully refuses to incorporate new information and ideas they are for all intents and purposes effectively dead.
 

Avro

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What I mean by adult is mature and interested in discussion and sharing information and sources.You could qualify but choose not to, therefore I have assumed you to be unable to engage. I have taken advantage of this place while I'v been here to take the advice of many interesting and informed people who have helped me form a deeper better opinion of the human condition than what I had previously, if you don't want to do that fine, but it is called learning which I'm not yet tired of. When a person willfully refuses to incorporate new information and ideas they are for all intents and purposes effectively dead.


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