US on Canada torture watch list

[dancing-loon]

Quoting YoungJoonKim This boy tried to kill people, that should be enough reason to put him down.

And what do the Americans do, the Canadians, the British... the whole loot that's out there fighting the self-made "Terrorists"?????

The mentality ...:roll::roll:8O8O

 

[darkbeaver]

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Couple of days ago, reuters had a story that said: "Canada places U.S. and Israel on torture watch list". Today, the same story link was updated and replaced to say: "Canada takes U.S., Israel off torture watchlist".[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,Arial]The original story is no more available, but the magic of the internet always keeps a copy of what gets published. So here is excerpts from the cached original story (full can be found here):[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial](Reuters) - Canada’s foreign ministry has put the United States and Israel on a watch list of countries where prisoners risk being tortured and also classifies some U.S. interrogation techniques as torture, according to a document obtained by Reuters on Thursday.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The revelation is likely to embarrass the minority Conservative government, which is a staunch ally of both the United States and Israel. Both nations denied they allowed torture in their jails.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The document — part of a training course on torture awareness given to diplomats — mentions the U.S. jail at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba where a Canadian man is being held.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The man, Omar Khadr, is the only Canadian in Guantanamo. His defenders said the document made a mockery of Ottawa’s claims that Khadr was not being mistreated.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Under "definition of torture" the document lists U.S. interrogation techniques such as forced nudity, isolation, sleep deprivation and blindfolding prisoners.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]"The United States does not permit, tolerate, or condone torture under any circumstances," said a spokeswoman for the U.S. embassy in Ottawa.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]A spokesman for Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier tried to distance Ottawa from the document.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]"The training manual is not a policy document and does not reflect the views or policies of this government," he said.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The government mistakenly provided the document to Amnesty International Canada as part of a court case the rights organization has launched against Ottawa over the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Amnesty Secretary-General Alex Neve told Reuters his group had very clear evidence of abuse in U.S. and Israeli jails.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The funny part is the Foreign Minister’s spokesman who tried to distance Ottawa from the document, in spite that the document is a training course manual on torture awareness given to Canadian diplomats!!!

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial](Reuters) - Canada’s foreign ministry, responding to pressure from close allies, said on Saturday it would remove the United States and Israel from a watch list of countries where prisoners risk being tortured.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Both nations expressed unhappiness after it emerged that they had been listed in a document that formed part of a training course manual on torture awareness given to Canadian diplomats.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier said he regretted the embarrassment caused by the public disclosure of the manual, which also classified some U.S. interrogation techniques as torture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]"It contains a list that wrongly includes some of our closest allies. I have directed that the manual be reviewed and rewritten," Bernier said in a statement.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]"The manual is neither a policy document nor a statement of policy. As such, it does not convey the government’s views or positions."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The document — made available to Reuters and other media outlets — embarrassed the minority Conservative government, which is a staunch ally of both the United States and Israel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]U.S. ambassador David Wilkins said the listing was absurd while the Israeli envoy said he wanted his country removed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Asked why the two countries had been put on the list, a spokesman for Bernier said: "The training manual purposely raised public issues to stimulate discussion and debate in the classroom."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]The government mistakenly gave the document to Amnesty International Canada as part of a court case the rights organization has launched against Ottawa over the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Oh… you should not even think of to stimulate discussion and debate in the classroom… and what? Truth![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]This show the transparency of democracy (in the three governments, Canada, U.S. and Israel) and how can facts be turned fiction, just for the eyes of the real terrorists, U.S. and Israel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]What a joke![/FONT]
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[earth_as_one]

I'm wondering what Durka Durka and others expected people living in Afghanistan to do when their counry was invaded and occupied by hostile foreigners? Was anyone surprised when we encountered armed resistance?

We attacked these "terrorists" and they fought back. Most of these people have little to nothing to do with the events of 9/11. I doubt few of them knew it was coming and were just as surprised as the rest of us. Since then we've subjected them to inhuman abuse, stripped them of their dignity and fundamental human rights.

We should not torture, because it makes us less human.

We should not torture, because it is a crime against humanity.

 

[dancing-loon]

Hallo, Beaver;
thanks for picking up on this topic. It is despicable how our wonderful, beautiful country is forced to associate itself with brutal, egotistical, lieing, corrupt terrorist countries!!!

The Jews say, they don't torture... they lie just like their counterpart, the US!! Read this and assure me you are just as disgusted as I am!

http://www.rense.com/general78/tort.htm

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[gerryh]

Hallo, Beaver;
thanks for picking up on this topic. It is despicable how our wonderful, beautiful country is forced to associate itself with brutal, egotistical, lieing, corrupt terrorist countries!!!

The Jews say, they don't torture... they lie just like their counterpart, the US!! Read this and assure me you are just as disgusted as I am!

http://www.rense.com/general78/tort.htm

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The Jews????????????????????? I don't remeber seeing anywhere in this article where they refer to "the jews".

 

[dancing-loon]

The Jews????????????????????? I don't remeber seeing anywhere in this article where they refer to "the jews".

Are the Israelis not Jews as well? What are you trying to tell me? Should I say Zionists? Yeah, that would be more correct... it's the Zionists that rule Israel!!!

Now satisfied, quarrulantistic gerryh?:angry3:

 

[gerryh]

Are the Israelis not Jews as well? What are you trying to tell me? Should I say Zionists? Yeah, that would be more correct... it's the Zionists that rule Israel!!!

Now satisfied, quarrulantistic gerryh?:angry3:

I would be satisfied if you refered to the Country in question rather than your racist slant. The name of the country in question is Isreal and the people of that country are refered to as Isrealis.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm wondering what Durka Durka and others expected people living in Afghanistan to do when their counry was invaded and occupied by hostile foreigners? Was anyone surprised when we encountered armed resistance?

We attacked these "terrorists" and they fought back. Most of these people have little to nothing to do with the events of 9/11. I doubt few of them knew it was coming and were just as surprised as the rest of us. Since then we've subjected them to inhuman abuse, stripped them of their dignity and fundamental human rights.

We should not torture, because it makes us less human.

We should not torture, because it is a crime against humanity.

Ummm, most of these people...er...insurgents, aren't even Afghanis. Have you seen any of the interviews with them?

They are not there fighting to rid Afghanistan of invaders, they're there to kill American Soldeirs.

The hostile foreigners are there under a UN mandate at the request of the duely elected Afghan Gov't.


As for your 'human rights' comment, not even worth addressing.

I would be satisfied if you refered to the Country in question rather than your racist slant. The name of the country in question is Isreal and the people of that country are refered to as Isrealis.

Hear hear Gh.

 

[MikeyDB]

Duly elected government CdnBear? You'd have difficulty convincing many Americans that George W. Bush was the duly elected president of KidnapTortureville....

 

[CDNBear]

Duly elected government CdnBear? You'd have difficulty convincing many Americans that George W. Bush was the duly elected president of KidnapTortureville....

Hey, I have my theories as to why we're truly there, but that's just it, they're theories.

So unless you have some diffinitive proof, that the Gov't of Afghanistan is in anyway shape or forum not the legel representatives of Afghanistan...

Please pass it on.

Until it's forth coming, I'll have to follow the facts of the matter.

Now your assertion of Bush and company is quite easily supported, have you ever heard of the documentary "Black Box Voting"?

If you come up with something like that on the Afghan Gov't, I'll happily follow you.

 

[darkbeaver]

Quoteing CdnBear cub
"They are not there fighting to rid Afghanistan of invaders, they're there to kill American Soldeirs."

"The hostile foreigners are there under a UN mandate at the request of the duely elected Afghan Gov't."

I think the election came after the bombing and invasion Bear, therefore the Government can be considered to have been installed, and Americans are invaders by every definition, that means thier solid good targets under various international agrements try and incorporate those facts. The only thing that got rebuilt and gets the most respect and care are poppys and thier fields.

 

[dancing-loon]

Canadian Bear,.... cute, hugable but deadly! Oh boy, I'm scared... I better not get too close. Oops, I forgot... I brought PEPPER spray along!

So, you are a psssed-off bear, grunting and ripping up dirt!:roll:

You can't stand the Rolling Stone website? Journalism is not good enough for you, the WTF psssssed-off bear? Nice try for a joke!:lol:
As you should know, bear, a rolling stone doesn't gather moss, so the news is always crispy and accurate, because no-one bothers tinkering with it to make it fit into the average brains of ... hmmm.... bears!:smile:

Poor Omar has gotten on your nerves, hasn't he? I find that hard to comprehend, but then, you are just a smelly and gruffy old bear, while I'm a silky-smooth and warmhearted Loon... uuuhhh, aaaaahhh... want to feel my feathers?. I can't stand the roughness and stubborness of bears!
I also like clean fresh water... I'm a spiritual creature with much finer feelings than you, gruffy bear!!! And I've lived a hundred years already;-)

To me Omar is still a child, or was when he got put into the torture treadmill of the United States. My heart goes out to him... I want to hug him and comfort him... and I want to give his torturers a real hard kick in their behinds, if only I could.:-(

So, there you have the fundamental difference between the two of us. What has made us so different from each other? We are both creatures of the wild, both love our freedom, both look up to the stars at night and wonder, why we are who we are:?: I like peace and tranquility, I like the moon, and... I love to dance on the water to enchant my adoring mate. For all these things I am blessed with, I cannot understand how there can be beings on this earth who can order and perform such cruelty on another human being! Perhaps you can... I can't.

Perhaps a year and a half ago, there were four young Canadians who got killed while fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. The one soldier was a lovely girl, Nicola, I think, was her name. I cried,.... I cried my heart out... I let the tears roll down my cheeks into my lap... I cried for the whole damn stupidity of wars.

I believe underneath that tangled and matted fur of yours, somewhere hidden bangs a mighty bear heart, and in a tucked-away little crevice of that mighty heart is a tiny bit of compassion for Omar, a boy who had to grow up too fast and too brutally.

You say. .... "He's a piece-o-shyte, a parasite and a confessed terrorist."
Bear, he followed what the grown-ups around him expected from him. And you are doing the same, only on this side. If you can't feel some compassion for him, at least don't degrade him like that.... your heart is kinder than that! Go visit him one day and tell him, you are sorry that you thought badly of him... but then a loon came by and made you realize you were wrong. Tell him that, bear, and also that you want to help him, and if there was anything you could do or get for him, that you would gladly do it.
You would have made a friend instead of an enemy, bear. And your heart would feel so warm and good.... you would know you did the right thing.

Omar's heart may already be broken... his spirit, too. We don't know the condition he is in.

Let us show love and compassion to all creatures... humans, too, while we still have the chance.

And now I have to go back to my lake and sound my sorrow sighs into the stillness of the night, but I'm glad I talked to you, gruffy Canadian bear.... you really don't have to be so tough, show your underbelly once in a while;-)

Good Night


http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_gillespie/2007/12/why_the_pentagon_treats_omar_k.html

 

[CDNBear]

Quoteing CdnBear cub
"They are not there fighting to rid Afghanistan of invaders, they're there to kill American Soldeirs."

"The hostile foreigners are there under a UN mandate at the request of the duely elected Afghan Gov't."

I think the election came after the bombing and invasion Bear, therefore the Government can be considered to have been installed, and Americans are invaders by every definition, that means thier solid good targets under various international agrements try and incorporate those facts. The only thing that got rebuilt and gets the most respect and care are poppys and thier fields.

Anything in there with some diffinitive proof DB...I thought not.

Canadian Bear,.... cute, hugable but deadly! Oh boy, I'm scared... I better not get too close. Oops, I forgot... I brought PEPPER spray along!

So, you are a psssed-off bear, grunting and ripping up dirt!:roll:

You can't stand the Rolling Stone website? Journalism is not good enough for you, the WTF psssssed-off bear? Nice try for a joke!:lol:
As you should know, bear, a rolling stone doesn't gather moss, so the news is always crispy and accurate, because no-one bothers tinkering with it to make it fit into the average brains of ... hmmm.... bears!:smile:

Poor Omar has gotten on your nerves, hasn't he? I find that hard to comprehend, but then, you are just a smelly and gruffy old bear, while I'm a silky-smooth and warmhearted Loon... uuuhhh, aaaaahhh... want to feel my feathers?. I can't stand the roughness and stubborness of bears!
I also like clean fresh water... I'm a spiritual creature with much finer feelings than you, gruffy bear!!! And I've lived a hundred years already;-)

To me Omar is still a child, or was when he got put into the torture treadmill of the United States. My heart goes out to him... I want to hug him and comfort him... and I want to give his torturers a real hard kick in their behinds, if only I could.:-(

So, there you have the fundamental difference between the two of us. What has made us so different from each other? We are both creatures of the wild, both love our freedom, both look up to the stars at night and wonder, why we are who we are:?: I like peace and tranquility, I like the moon, and... I love to dance on the water to enchant my adoring mate. For all these things I am blessed with, I cannot understand how there can be beings on this earth who can order and perform such cruelty on another human being! Perhaps you can... I can't.

Perhaps a year and a half ago, there were four young Canadians who got killed while fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. The one soldier was a lovely girl, Nicola, I think, was her name. I cried,.... I cried my heart out... I let the tears roll down my cheeks into my lap... I cried for the whole damn stupidity of wars.

I believe underneath that tangled and matted fur of yours, somewhere hidden bangs a mighty bear heart, and in a tucked-away little crevice of that mighty heart is a tiny bit of compassion for Omar, a boy who had to grow up too fast and too brutally.

You say. .... "He's a piece-o-shyte, a parasite and a confessed terrorist."
Bear, he followed what the grown-ups around him expected from him. And you are doing the same, only on this side. If you can't feel some compassion for him, at least don't degrade him like that.... your heart is kinder than that! Go visit him one day and tell him, you are sorry that you thought badly of him... but then a loon came by and made you realize you were wrong. Tell him that, bear, and also that you want to help him, and if there was anything you could do or get for him, that you would gladly do it.
You would have made a friend instead of an enemy, bear. And your heart would feel so warm and good.... you would know you did the right thing.

Omar's heart may already be broken... his spirit, too. We don't know the condition he is in.

Let us show love and compassion to all creatures... humans, too, while we still have the chance.

And now I have to go back to my lake and sound my sorrow sighs into the stillness of the night, but I'm glad I talked to you, gruffy Canadian bear.... you really don't have to be so tough, show your underbelly once in a while;-)

Good Night


http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_gillespie/2007/12/why_the_pentagon_treats_omar_k.html

Is this what passes as civil intelligent conversation with you?

I may come back and force feed you some reality, when I have the time. Go back to th e'RollingStone' and absorb somemore logic written for the grade nine reading level.

 

[darkbeaver]

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Israel Shocked at Torture Claim[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Sunday, January 20, 2008

Israel's Ambassador to Canada says "Israel doesn't engage in torture, it's prohibited by Israeli law."

Alan Baker says it's shocking Israel was labelled a practitioner of torture in a Foreign Affairs training manual for Canadian diplomats.

Baker told The Canadian Press he demanded that Israel be deleted from the list of suspected human rights abusers as soon as he learned of the matter.

The United States, Afghanistan, Israel, China, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria were listed in the training manual as places for possible torture and abuse.

On Saturday, Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier said he has asked that the manual be reviewed and rewritten.


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Wednesday, 9 February, 2000, 22:46 GMT
Israel admits torture
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An official Israeli report has acknowledged for the first time that the Israeli security service tortured detainees during the Palestinian uprising, the Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.

The report, written five years ago but kept secret until now, said the leadership of the security service Shin Bet knew about the torture but did nothing to stop it.

The report did not detail the torture methods used, but human rights organisations say some detainees died or were left paralysed.

Security agents were also accused of lying to the courts about their actions.

The release of the report in Israel was authorised by a parliamentary committee after the Supreme Court recommended it no longer be kept secret.

The Israeli Government has, in the past, denied that it used any interrogation methods that amounted to torture.

Israel 'broke own rules'

But the report says the Shin Bet routinely went beyond the "moderate physical pressure" authorised by a 1987 commission headed by then-Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau.

Human rights groups in Israel maintain that the practices authorised by the Landau commission - keeping prisoners in excruciatingly uncomfortable postures, covering their heads with filthy and malodorous sacks and depriving them of sleep - amount to torture.

Human rights groups say many authorised techniques amount to torture
The report, however, written by former State Comptroller Miriam Ben-Porat, says the agents systematically overstepped even these limits, especially at the interrogation facility in the Gaza Strip.

"Most of the violations were not caused by lack of knowledge of the line between what was permitted and what was forbidden, but were committed knowingly," the report said.

"At the Gaza facility, veteran and even senior investigators committed very grave and systematic violations."

The report accuses the entire leadership of the Shin Bet of knowing what was going on but doing nothing to stop it. It says that the agents lied about their activities in court, to other investigating agencies and in their reports to superiors.

"The assurances of senior Shin Bet officials to the Landau Commission that truth-telling inside the organisation is enforced ... were found to have no basis in reality," it noted.

'Holy work'

The report acknowledged that the security issues faced by the agents at the time were unprecedented, and that they succeeded in preventing a number of guerilla attacks.

The report describes this activity as "holy work" but criticises the methods used and recommends measures to ensure that they be stopped.

Two years after the report was written, the Supreme Court banned the use of physical force in interrogations, even within the limits set by the Landau Commission.

The Ben-Porat report was submitted to an intelligence subcommittee of the Parliamentary State Audit Committee in 1997, but the subcommittee decided to keep it under wraps. It was made public on Wednesday in response to a recommendation by the Supreme Court.

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[MikeyDB]

It's like most things Dancing Loon...

When an aboriginal gets taken off a plane in New York and sent to Syria or who knows where and is tortured...then CdnBear will have a problem with that policy. Until then, it's all just nonsense found in Rolling Stone and the Canadian government was bamboozled by the whole incident.

 

[MikeyDB]

Canadian citizen Maher Arar said he was repeatedly beaten and tortured and kept in a cell three feet wide after the U.S. secretly deported him to Syria. Anonymous officials told the Washington Post that the U.S. knowingly sends suspects abroad to be tortured. We go to Canada to speak with Maher Arar. [Includes transcript]
Click here to read to full transcript Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, who was detained by U.S. officials last year during a stopover in a New York airport, said he was repeatedly tortured after the U.S. secretly deported him to Syria where he spent 374 days in a Damascus prison without charges.

The head of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police today apologized to Syrian-born Canadian citizen Maher Arar (right) for the Mounties' role in Arar's 2002 deportation from the United States to Syria, where he was reportedly tortured for nearly a year.
As The Globe and Mail writes, "in a damning report released last week, Mr. Justice Dennis O'Connor said that Mr. Arar, a Canadian citizen who was arrested in 2002 by U.S. authorities in New York under suspicion of being a terrorist, was an innocent victim of inaccurate RCMP intelligence reports and deliberate smears by Canadian officials."

These reports have appeared in scandalous rags like the New York Times and USA Today and the Gobe and Mail….

Unless CdnBear hears it from someone he thinks is telling the truth it’s all just baseless rumors…

 

[MikeyDB]

No need to force-feed reality to anyone but you Bear.

 

[CDNBear]

It's like most things Dancing Loon...

When an aboriginal gets taken off a plane in New York and sent to Syria or who knows where and is tortured...then CdnBear will have a problem with that policy. Until then, it's all just nonsense found in Rolling Stone and the Canadian government was bamboozled by the whole incident.

No need to force-feed reality to anyone but you Bear.

Here's the reality Mikey...

You have no proof...can I ezplain any simplar then that to ya.

So instead of conceding, you'll just attack me...how sweet.

I love you too Mikey Durgan.

 

[CDNBear]

Canadian Bear,.... cute, hugable but deadly! Oh boy, I'm scared... I better not get too close. Oops, I forgot... I brought PEPPER spray along!

Oh brother...to quote Gerryh... "another cyber hero".

So, you are a psssed-off bear, grunting and ripping up dirt!:roll:

More blather?

You can't stand the Rolling Stone website?

Not as a news source, entertainment purposes maybe, but not as supporting documentation for an arguement as complicated as Gitmo, detainees, Omar Kahdar and the war in Afghanistan.

Journalism is not good enough for you, the WTF psssssed-off bear?

Is that what passes as journalism for ya?

No wonder you come off as woefully misinformed.

Nice try for a joke!:lol:

It wasn't ment to be funny. It actually quite sad.

As you should know, bear, a rolling stone doesn't gather moss, so the news is always crispy and accurate, because no-one bothers tinkering with it to make it fit into the average brains of ... hmmm.... bears!:smile:

You gotta be kidding, your calling an Op/Ed piece untinkered news?

And to top it off, you asserting a puplication written so the average member of the unwashed masses can read it, the industry standard is Grade 9.

Ya, that about sums up the maturity of someone that would not only absorb anything from an industry gossip rag as fact, let alone call it journalism.

Poor Omar has gotten on your nerves, hasn't he?

No actually his actions and words have, along with the rest of his family, that espouse the downfall of Canada and the enslavement or murder of Canadians. Not just Military personnel in the field either.

I find that hard to comprehend, but then, you are just a smelly and gruffy old bear, while I'm a silky-smooth and warmhearted Loon... uuuhhh, aaaaahhh... want to feel my feathers?.

WTF is that?

I can't stand the roughness and stubborness of bears!
I also like clean fresh water... I'm a spiritual creature with much finer feelings than you, gruffy bear!!! And I've lived a hundred years already;-)

That would explain the dust on the plumbing and what not.

To me Omar is still a child, or was when he got put into the torture treadmill of the United States. My heart goes out to him... I want to hug him and comfort him... and I want to give his torturers a real hard kick in their behinds, if only I could.:-(

Please do...will you pay for his sins too?

It is thinking like this, based on the shyte journalism you use to uneducate yourself, that will be the downfall of the west.

So, there you have the fundamental difference between the two of us.

No, the main difference between the two of us, is that I do not get my news from gossip rags, or daily prints.

I use ngo's and other sources that can trace their stories right back to the field in which they were gathered.

Then I apply critical thought to what has been presented.

Not that would mean much to someone that touts "The RollingStone" as a journalistic masterpiece.

What has made us so different from each other?

My firm grip on reality maybe.

We are both creatures of the wild, both love our freedom, both look up to the stars at night and wonder, why we are who we are:?: I like peace and tranquility, I like the moon, and... I love to dance on the water to enchant my adoring mate. For all these things I am blessed with, I cannot understand how there can be beings on this earth who can order and perform such cruelty on another human being! Perhaps you can... I can't.

Great you can't, but I won't judge you for that. In fact I have praise people who are pacifists for the strength it takes to be so, in the face of certain death.

Me, I'm primal.

But even more importantly, thatnk God there are people willing to sell their souls to the devil, so you can not only shyte on them, but sleep tight afterwards.

Perhaps a year and a half ago, there were four young Canadians who got killed while fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. The one soldier was a lovely girl, Nicola, I think, was her name. I cried,.... I cried my heart out... I let the tears roll down my cheeks into my lap... I cried for the whole damn stupidity of wars.

You cried?

How sweet, I near faint from dehydration, from crying, I don't cry for one or two, I cry everytime one of my brothers or sister falls in the line of duty, so you can piss on their memory by negating their efforts, in an attempt to set free someone that was intent on killing them.

You cried...that's just great.

I have friends in theater as we speak that I worry so much that my heart hurts, it effects my daily life and it weighs on me every minute of the day.

So you cried for a bit...How bloody sweet. I'm sure that will more then make up for wanting to get a butcher released from what he so richly deserves.

I believe underneath that tangled and matted fur of yours, somewhere hidden bangs a mighty bear heart, and in a tucked-away little crevice of that mighty heart is a tiny bit of compassion for Omar, a boy who had to grow up too fast and too brutally.

Not a bloody hope in hell.

I would have put three rounds through his head in field and not thought twice about it.

You say. .... "He's a piece-o-shyte, a parasite and a confessed terrorist."
Bear, he followed what the grown-ups around him expected from him.

Really, I hate Trudeau, I vote Con just to keep the Nanny state in check and my oldest boy loves Trudeau and thinks he was the best thing since poutine.

I'm Army, to the bone, he wants to fly fighters...WTF? A pilot?

And you are doing the same, only on this side. If you can't feel some compassion for him, at least don't degrade him like that.... your heart is kinder than that!

LMAO!!! BS, I can feel compassion for him, but it doesn't out weigh my feelings of survival and my feelings of protecting the people of this nation...even from themselves.

Go visit him one day and tell him, you are sorry that you thought badly of him... but then a loon came by and made you realize you were wrong. Tell him that, bear, and also that you want to help him, and if there was anything you could do or get for him, that you would gladly do it.

You would have made a friend instead of an enemy, bear. And your heart would feel so warm and good.... you would know you did the right thing.

If I had the chance, I'ld make him dead.

Omar's heart may already be broken... his spirit, too. We don't know the condition he is in.

Yes we do. Only the leftist media outlets you subscribe to for thought, like to spin that there is some secrecy involved. When there isn't.

Let us show love and compassion to all creatures... humans, too, while we still have the chance.

Ya, you do that, right up until you are slaughtered because you don't bow to Allah.

And now I have to go back to my lake and sound my sorrow sighs into the stillness of the night, but I'm glad I talked to you, gruffy Canadian bear.... you really don't have to be so tough, show your underbelly once in a while;-)

Good Night


http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_gillespie/2007/12/why_the_pentagon_treats_omar_k.html

 

[gerryh]

Ya know Bear....the more I read your writing, even though we are diametrically opposed when it comes to war and those that wage it, the more I find myself liking you.