Well that's a surprise. I thought the point I made was that your argument contains a logical fallacy.
The Discovery of Intelligent Beings on the Planets Will Refute the Enthusiasm.
- Thread starter eanassir
- Start date
Yes, I do believe in the Big Bang theory, but belief is really the wrong concept to apply here. The evidence in support of it is massive and convincing, it'd be unreasonable to withhold assent, so I'd say I accept it as by far the most likely explanation available of how it all got started. But it might be wrong. Whether we're the first or not, nobody knows, and probably nobody ever will, there's a lot of space to explore. That's a question for which agnosticism is the most reasonable position. An eternity of big bangs seems unlikely. It doesn't appear that the universe as we know it is heading for a big crunch in the distant future, there doesn't seem to be quite enough mass in it to halt the expansion and bring it all back together again, but I think the jury's still out on that one. Niflmir probably has more current information than I do on that. Human life will almost certainly be seen only once in this universe, but that doesn't make it an anomaly except in the broadest possible sense that every life form is an anomaly. There are so many contingent events in the history of evolution that if we could rewind the story and start it over again, the result is overwhelmingly likely to be very different.
Forgive my lack of been articulate, but what I meant is that out of all the no-logical and supposed logical views are all but a chaos, and confusion of religion.
Also meaning that no one religious and or non religious, don't have a prayer.
Peace>>>Aj
It is like opening a box of puzzle pieces, and throwing them all on the table top and then trying to put them all together to make one big picture of them all.
All religions are as pieces to this big puzzle and are striving within themselves to find out just where they fit.
Nonbelievers are part of that puzzle to.
Peace>>>AJ
Juan..
Greetin's
I suppose whether it "matters" or not is what breathes "life" into dogma and ideology for that matter...
I've only ever been asked by another human being about what I "believe", and co-incidentally one extends...was entertained to listen to the qualification of the person's beliefs who was asking the question...
While busily attending to the hereafter believers have for thousands of years missed the "here-and-now"...
Building platforms and laying foundations for imoveable exclusive and pre-emptory qualifications on everyone else while desperately embracing some "compromise" with reality and stumbling by about as gracefully or as awdwardly as very one else...has failed to save us from ourselves.
Narrowing the focus of a species like the human animal, within a context of "existence" and/or "interrelationship" emerging from that paradigm between a creator "god" or unfathomable "being" and experience of the full spectrum of life and awareness, just isn't available becasue of this a priori assumption/presumption.
So long as your actions and your choice to inaction brings no harm to anyone else...who cares what you believe?
Greetin's
I suppose whether it "matters" or not is what breathes "life" into dogma and ideology for that matter...
I've only ever been asked by another human being about what I "believe", and co-incidentally one extends...was entertained to listen to the qualification of the person's beliefs who was asking the question...
While busily attending to the hereafter believers have for thousands of years missed the "here-and-now"...
Building platforms and laying foundations for imoveable exclusive and pre-emptory qualifications on everyone else while desperately embracing some "compromise" with reality and stumbling by about as gracefully or as awdwardly as very one else...has failed to save us from ourselves.
Narrowing the focus of a species like the human animal, within a context of "existence" and/or "interrelationship" emerging from that paradigm between a creator "god" or unfathomable "being" and experience of the full spectrum of life and awareness, just isn't available becasue of this a priori assumption/presumption.
So long as your actions and your choice to inaction brings no harm to anyone else...who cares what you believe?
At last count Mikey there was about 2300 churches and they all profess to be the "right", or the "true" gospel. My particular church has only one member, and that is me, and I don't seek to enlarge the parish. Cash donations I will accept from anyone.......no checks please.....I don't want to have to declare it as income.
Wow. That post is a model of straightforward coherence compared to your previous one. Hard to believe the same person wrote them both. My view is that all religions are fundamentally wrong at the core, which I summarize as the belief that there's at least one supernatural entity that has some interest in us. The metaphorical puzzle you speak of is entirely an invention of human imagination and has no more reality than any other fictional world. The nonbelievers have it right, the best evidence is that there are no supernatural entities of any sort, never mind one that has some interest in us. You might as well pray to The Force of Star Wars, or Zeus or Thor or Odin or any of the thousands of other such human creations. I presume you're atheist with respect to those, same as I am, and would agree that they're human inventions. I've just taken one more step.
Dexter,
I've got one up on you. Where you believe all are nothing and that there is no entity absolutely,
I in turn say that there is an entity that is over all, absolutely.
I give everybody the benefit of their own belief simply because I understand my belief in my entity is greater than anything that mankind can devise about Him.
Therefore, you and all others are as my brothers and sisters and I will with the power of Him that is in me to live what He instructs me to live by, and that is to love my brother and or sister as He loves me.
Now if anybody can find something wrong with that, then I'd say that they are thinking selfishly and not being neighborly.
I would say that if everybody thought that way, then we'd be at peace with each other.
Peace>>>AJ
Don't you see the solar system created with wisdom to bear life? For example: the different axis inclinations of the planets according to their different distances from the sun; to counteract for the expected coldness of some faraway planets.
The planets have day and night because of their spinning around themselves, and seasons because of their orbitting the sun and because of their axis inclinations, etc.
The existence of water has been proved in some of the planets; this indicates the existence of life there.
I think the atheist, and here is an excellent example is fanatic about his atheism, just like the polytheist. So that he insists on his atheism; but it will be the same: there will be found atheists and polythiests there; because the same God will mislead many as will He guide many on Earth and on the planets.
eanassir.
No.
There's no relationship between distance from the sun and axial inclination.
A first; you finally got something right.
No it doesn't, it indicates only the existence of water there.
The only fanatic here is you.
My friend, the beginning of creation was a mis-led.
Example: Did your dad ever tell you what a hellish place this was prior to your being born?
So would you say you felt deceived?
First they brought you in to this world without your consent, then they didn't tell you that this place was a hellish place , until you had to discover it for your self, and by then you probably said the hell with it all.
Wouldn't that make you sort of angry, at them especially, if this world did turn out to be hell?
Similarly, mankind is angry at God, for what was God thinking? You'd think that If God were real, He'd make a perfect place for us to live in without any pain or suffering.
So yeah, I've got something to get my hackles up about, but, when I found out why I was brought in, and discovered what love really is, then my anger went away and my God is ever so wonderful, Holy and just.
I can only feel for those who have not discovered it yet, for they are the ones who fuel the need for me to demonstrate compassion, and one without discrimination as to what they believe.
If anybody can top that, then I am just wasting my time.
Peace>>>AJ
eanassir.
First of all, there is little chance of intelligent life on any planet other than Earth in our solar system and you know that.
Secondly, don't use the Quran as an astronomical guide. The writers didn't know what they were talking about and you know that too.
Third, with your command of the English language, there is only a tiny chance you are as ignorant as you show yourself. You are putting us on. Take your silly show somewhere else. Please
First:I say there is intelligent life on Mars and some other planets with the exception of Mercury and Venus.
Second: God revealed the Quran, which is known by heart, like you know a peom by heart, so that if anyone read the Quran with some wrong word by mistake, there will be many who will immediately correct for him his mistake; the Quran is known by heart by many non-Arab who even do not know its meaning. The Quran is concize book; this is in comparison to the Holy Bible which is extensive, and only its translations are available, but not the original one.
Thirdly: I know there are some who make language mistakes more than I do. Then I should not compel anyone to believe, and even I cannot do that; I shall only reply to those who object or ask.
eanassir.
There is not intelligent life on mars . You can say what you want but we've been studying the planet for years now not to mention there are currently two robots on mars roaming two opposite sides of the planet and they haven't even found bacteria let alone an intelligent life form . Secondly don't you think that if intelligent life existed on mars there's be ruins ? artifacts ? buildings ? Wait was there a flood on mars too ?
Also even if life existed on mars it evolved there something you Koran does not mention at all , even though we know it to be the cause for all life on earth and the cause for any life we might find outside earth . Don't worry I'am sure you will find a way to stretch the meaning of an Arabic verse to somehow hint at evolution then tell us how wise and inspired the author was .
Also SETI has been scanning the skies for radio signals for some time now do you honestly believe that intelligent life could exist so close but yet be unnoticed ? wait it could be a genie .
reply
Many of our friends in the forum have not read my article thoroughly, neither have they referred to our website to examine the subject carefully; but only they kept on saying: this is wrong, this is false and this is not scientific.
If you refer to our site:
http://universeandquran.741.com
And see there:
The planets are inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
You, then, may realize the answer.
As regards to their robots and rovers there on Mars:
The images are not so precise [I checked this by e-mailing some scientists related to NASA] The images are not the raw copies, which have undergone some modifications and processing; because the original images are so ambiguous, and they said such raw images are obtainable from NASA.
Such images were taken by using different light wavelengths, picked and transmitted by using some computerized programs, which may be defective, or at least because the distance is very far; and this what they could obtain.
This does not mean that the researchers there are not excellent, or that they do this for some purpose; but this is the situation.
Therefore, a dark area may in fact be a large city or a lake or a forest …etc.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
However, the Glorious Quran points out to the existence of extraterrestrial life in many of the Quranic revelations:
In this respect, I refer you to the first soora (or chapter) of the Quran, which is the key-soora of the Quran:
The second aya in the first soora is:
If you refer to our site:
http://universeandquran.741.com
And see there:
The planets are inhabited
http://universeandquran.741.com/#Planets Inhabited
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants
You, then, may realize the answer.
As regards to their robots and rovers there on Mars:
The images are not so precise [I checked this by e-mailing some scientists related to NASA] The images are not the raw copies, which have undergone some modifications and processing; because the original images are so ambiguous, and they said such raw images are obtainable from NASA.
Such images were taken by using different light wavelengths, picked and transmitted by using some computerized programs, which may be defective, or at least because the distance is very far; and this what they could obtain.
This does not mean that the researchers there are not excellent, or that they do this for some purpose; but this is the situation.
Therefore, a dark area may in fact be a large city or a lake or a forest …etc.
Moreover, the rover is a very small unit, and moves slowly; and !!by chance!! its region where it rovers is a desolate desert.
However, the Glorious Quran points out to the existence of extraterrestrial life in many of the Quranic revelations:
In this respect, I refer you to the first soora (or chapter) of the Quran, which is the key-soora of the Quran:
The second aya in the first soora is:
الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
The explanation: (Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.)
The 'worlds' here is in plural.
Then check this in all the translations of the meaning of the Glorious Quran [although the translation is not the Quran, but only the translation of its interpretation.]
eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.comThe 'worlds' here is in plural.
Then check this in all the translations of the meaning of the Glorious Quran [although the translation is not the Quran, but only the translation of its interpretation.]
eanassir
The purpose is to prosper in the next everlasting life.
The purpose is to live in this World as an examination and trial, and that the soul will grow inside the body until adulthood and maturity, and that man will have experience and his wisdom will grow, and will choose his way:
http://man-after-death.741.com/1.htm#Prosperity_for_Believers_in_the_Hereafter
eanassir.
The purpose is to live in this World as an examination and trial, and that the soul will grow inside the body until adulthood and maturity, and that man will have experience and his wisdom will grow, and will choose his way:
- In case he is a wrong-doer who transgress on people, then God will mislead him, and will be an idolater, athiest or associater and Satan will have control over him leading him to immerse in sins, particularly the association with God contrary to the First Commandment; so he will go to Hell on the Judgment Day.
- And in case he works the righteous work, helps the poor and the weak,and honors the parents, then God will guide him to the monotheism: to serve God alone and exclusively without associating anyone or anything with Him, and so He will admit him to Paradise where he will prosper forever, with the goodpleasure of God, and there he will have all joys: drinking, eating, having sexual contact with his wives, and talking with his righteous friends: no disease, insects, tiredness, depression or anxiety, and they will praise their Lord Who created them in order to bestow on them His grace and mercy; but wrong-doers chose the opposite.
http://man-after-death.741.com/1.htm#Prosperity_for_Believers_in_the_Hereafter
eanassir.
Last edited:
Well, my friend, all well and good that you have those words only to guide you to that blissful and rewarding joys of drinking, eating, sexual contacts which only lead me to believe that all of it is for your own personal gain and pleasure.
Where as for me, my reward is Jesus, and I have nothing to gain other than His saving me from my, as you put it, “this World as an examination and trial”.
Yes, I grow in wisdom as I mature, but not for personal reward or gain, for Jesus Himself said: Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
For me to just be in the presence of God alone is my reward sufficient.
I don’t need any enticements of the physical pleasure kind, for all of that are worldly pleasures.
Peace>>>AJ