RIP Tammy Faye

[MikeyDB]

Sokay Doc....

Have you seen Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts?

Mel Gibsons character thinks that space shuttles are beaming earth-quake signals and are under thd control of some bad people who want to kill the president.....

Finally we find at the end of the movie that he source of Mel's character's insanity was actually the outcome from a clandestine program to brainwash people into committing murder etc...

I turns out that what Mel believed was what he got..... He was right that there are secret organizations that pervert science and have skullduggery as their agenda....

Tammy Bakker believe in heaven and hell.....

Some folk believe other things and all the comment was ..that was mad by Karrie is that she hopes that Tammy finds the truth of her beliefs whereever she ends up....

I'm tryin to help ya out here Doc....

 

[lone wolf]

Evangelist: Narcissist with a great hook....
Cancer: A Hell of a way to die.

Wolf

 

[karrie]

how do i find it odd?
It's what they seem to be looking for.Bliss sure makes sense , but the fires of hell or nothingness of science.To sek these....

Well, to be truthful, I have no idea what there is at the end, so the best I can hope for is that we get what we've been wanting, even if it seems like the wrong choice to others. Heaven isn't for everyone, and not because only an elite few deserve it. Some honestly want nothing at the end. And while *I* personally don't know anyone who seeks hell, I know they exist. There are whole cults dedicated to such a desire. Surely, heaven would truly be hell for someone who didn't want to be there.

 

[Twila]

wow, to have led the life she lived and then to die the death she did...makes one consider the reach of karma...or would that be just divine justice? I personally feel nothing for this woman. She made some choices...and suffered the repercussions.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Sokay Doc....

Have you seen Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts?

Mel Gibsons character thinks that space shuttles are beaming earth-quake signals and are under thd control of some bad people who want to kill the president.....

Finally we find at the end of the movie that he source of Mel's character's insanity was actually the outcome from a clandestine program to brainwash people into committing murder etc...

I turns out that what Mel believed was what he got..... He was right that there are secret organizations that pervert science and have skullduggery as their agenda....

Tammy Bakker believe in heaven and hell.....

Some folk believe other things and all the comment was ..that was mad by Karrie is that she hopes that Tammy finds the truth of her beliefs whereever she ends up....

I'm tryin to help ya out here Doc....

Ta mikey......so sometimes a cigar is just a cigar......

BUT LET ME HAVE ME FUN MIKEY!!!!!lol

 

[MikeyDB]

You go Doc....

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I would like to say something about karma here. Karma is only to be used in a reincarnation setting if you will.....case in point.

His Holiness the Dali Lamawas asked by someone:why they were poor and they lived a good life never intentionally hurting anyone and sharing what they did have...when some murdering gangster was so rich.....

His answer : If a person is rich in this life they must have done something very good in a past life.Even the gangster is reaping his good karma from the past.


From what i have come to understand:
From a reincarnation perspective : At this point in time everyone on earth is basically equal in the amount of positive and negative karma...We tend to look only at the present state of affairs and not at all the possibilities....We all share a collective karma on earth and just like water finds it's own level we have all found ours together....Take in account that you have been accumalting karma for over an infinite amount of time....that whole time is a circle thing...it's so vast it turns into itself..you have been in that circle forever...multiply an infinite amount of those circles and you still don't come close to how long you have been accumalating both good and bad karma....

 

[Minority Observer84]

There is no proof that karma exists it's another supernatural "easy" way to explain the realities of the world around us . The concept of a second like is unproven , and even if it was the idea that deeds beget station would imply that everyone in a bad situation had it coming and everyone in a good situation also had it coming it's an awfully simplistic view or an awfully complicated human situation .

 

[Curiosity]

One of my first jobs when I came to the U.S. was working nights so I could attend school during the day. I met a number of interesting people - especially the late nite news and production people who preferred the dark hours, having the days to themselves. One coworker was an older man (compared with the rest of the staff who had tons of experience but was starting at the bottom rung of the ladder again...) He had a job of putting together late breaking and overnight and early morning newscast 'bones' for the 'blow dried talent'... We had lots of time to talk and his story was so compelling I have never forgotten it...and the tears he was still shedding over his loss of faith and the damage to his family.

He and his wife had become enamoured of the PTL club which the Bakers operated. He left his high paying production job in the midwest at a network affiliate to join the staff of the production group for the PTL broadcasts. He, his wife and two children all moved to the south where the Club was bring taped. Many people who fell under the PTL spell wanted to belong... some had experience... some were willing to anything for very little month ... more like a religious calling. The Bakers promised them lodgings and food at first until the Club became self-sufficient.

The man I worked with was housed in a dormitory with many other families - it was a requirement for the job ... no outside personal lodgings.... they were all lumped together in large barracks.... ate together...prayed together... and worked together. The kids were allowed to join a small 'approved' school the Bakers sanctioned but were expected to work after school and on weekends doing what was asked.

The man returned bankrupt, no car, and his family and his wife's family had to send them money and open their homes to get them back on their feet. The PTL had become bankrupt and the Bakers weren't going to pay any more than one final paycheck.

I can't shake it....the man I met was a lamb.... nobody should have done anything to him ever.... he recovered but it took years to get his reputation back in the production world and as far as I know he went to L.A. and then retired in reasonable success ...at least comfortable financial success.

Attach anything to organized religion and nobody thinks to check.... like the Diocese of Los Angeles...

Man / woman is not perfect. There is no such animal.... and religious belief or announcing that belief.... can make it so.

 

[Outta here]

wow, to have led the life she lived and then to die the death she did...makes one consider the reach of karma...or would that be just divine justice? I personally feel nothing for this woman. She made some choices...and suffered the repercussions.

Oh if only it were really like that....if the amount of suffering one experiences was directly proportional to the amount of suffering one has inflicted...

There's many interpretations of what Karma is, and how it behaves. Personally I don't think it's so far off the mark Karma exists in some way, but situations like TFB's demise by cancer just doesn't add up for me as the work of Karma. We all know someone who's died of cancer or some other illness that induces a long and painful death. The folks I know who've lost that battle certainly didn't seem to have conducted themselves horribly enough to deserve such a fate. We all have to die from something. I'm really not sure Karma plays as big of a role in that... by such standards, Hitler's death should have been the longest, most protracted and painful experience one could imagine.

In TFB's case, I don't know if it would have made much difference whether she died instantly by a shot of lightning directly from the hand of her good gawd almighty, or by cancer. The life she lived and the legacy that follows is all that's left to define her, and that in itself may be a natural manifestation of her Karma. Is the world a better place because she lived? Are lives enriched because of her existence.... or destroyed?

The fact that she had time to contemplate her own impending mortality and stop in her tracks long enough to examine the life she'd lived, the impact she'd had upon so many people, whether or not the power to do so was used wisely or selfishly... well to me this a Karmic gift. Not all of us are fortunate enough to have such a stark reminder that every word we speak, action we take, (or don't take) may be our last - so we should make sure that what we do, say and behave accurately represents who we really are ... most of us don't get these kinds of do-overs. What did she choose to do with that gift?

 

[MikeyDB]

What would give you the idea that TFB gve a **** about anyone?

Watch the next sermon on TV from the Crystal Cathedral or any of the pious assholes that have the temerity to tell others how to live while hiring prostitutes and making drug deals....

The crop of televangelists is uniquely American.

Need I say more?

 

[triedit]

The crop of televangelists is uniquely American.

Need I say more?

bullsh1t

Canadian televangelist directs viewers to anti-gay candidate endorsement list (w/video)

by Mike Doughney

Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 11:40:48 PM PDT

Last night, on a live, Canadian national TV broadcast, the founder and president of Canada's first religious television station, The Miracle Channel, explicitly directed viewers who wanted more information on how they should vote in Monday's parliamentary election to the website of votemarriagecanada.ca. This website contains lists of endorsed candidates and says that the site's purpose is "Working to Elect a Pro-traditional Marriage Parliament."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/22/24048/3962

And oh, lesseee...Michael Coren, and my favs the Mainse Family

 

[MikeyDB]

Sure there are Canadian televangelists but who came first Triedit?

Among 300 million Americans, is the liklihood that American televangelist fervor would have sufficient interest and authority from this group to influence say the Terry Shaivo case....

You may be able to find a Canadian televengelist or two or even more, but was it a Canadian who coined the term..."The Moral Majority"...

Is it a Canadian who leads the pack in international "crusades of faith"

Where is the predominant avenue of evangelical fervor is it Canada or the United States?

 

[triedit]

Who came first? How ridiculous is that arguement? It's ok to have this behavior in Canada because the Americans did it first? Canada is less responsible because her neighbor does it?

The predominant avenue of evangelical fervor is in neither Canada nor the US. It is in the hearts and wallets of the religious gullible all over the world.

Sometimes the "blame the US" bullsh1t just goes too far.

 

[karrie]

bullsh1t

What does him promoting anti-gay candidates have to do with the televangelists who are constantly asking for coin?

The last I knew, it's within every citizen's right to support their candidates of choice, isn't it?

 

[triedit]

Did you read the link? He's got a whole network, is a registered charity, has stolen television signals, and committed crimes. Just your run of the mill televangelist who happens to be Canadian.

Surprise. They do exist.

 

[karrie]

Did you read the link? He's got a whole network, is a registered charity, has stolen television signals, and committed crimes. Just your run of the mill televangelist who happens to be Canadian.

Surprise. They do exist.

No, I didn't read the whole link. I had assumed you were posting the pertinent bit. My bad.

 

[Pangloss]

Back on topic - the news has been all about her this morning and this is what I've gleaned - TFB was in on the embezzlement, bought a private plane with church funds, lived like an oligarch, and said she was being persecuted when people found out what a thief she and her husband were.

"It would have been kinder to just kill me - just put a bullet in my head," was how she described her suffering at the hands of the justice system.

Self-pitying embezzler. Jerk who preyed on the gullibility of the poor and credulous.

We are much better off without her.

Pangloss

 

[JBeee]

Shes with her maker now....thats whats important.

 

[Pangloss]

Shes with her maker now....thats whats important.

No.

She took millions (the PTL Club took in a million a week at it's peak) from people who could often ill afford it, and then used the money to gold-plate the bathroom fixtures in her private jet.

I'd say the important thing is the misery and impoverishment she caused. I'd say the important thing is the suffering she caused with her selfish, lying, thieving ways.

That this biatch is actually, finally dead is mere trivia, Jbeee.

Pangloss