Psychedelic substances and spiritual development

[Pangloss]

Curio:

I'm not a risk taker, any more than you or anyone else is. We all take risks, crossing the street, driving a car, eating at a restaurant, going swimming - these are all risks.

The desire to make our world "risk free" itself is a risk. We are gambling our freedoms and our autonomy and our maturity in the accommodation of a safety fetish that is infantalizing us.

The only thing I want to be safe from is a world that thinks I cannot take care of myself - even when I can't*.

Pangloss

* Obviously that refers to liberties, not expertise.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Getting back to topic and useing pangloss's comments.
The use of these drugs came with a lot of misinformed baggage. There was the Life magazine jelly baby scare. The whole hippies were pouring stychnine into the mix so you better be carefull.
These were magnified in a lot of my trips for me and friends in 69 . You were doing this sort of uber daredevil thing for some cause it seemed .These thoughts came through during the trips.

If you listen to Genesis' lamb lies down on broadway there is a song that starts"As he walks along the gorges edge....the music and the imagery of the words reminded me of many a night sitting together in parks tripping with friends...It was like we were some kinda warriors doing the dirty to find something.Risking our sanity and future generations through genetic mutations......

 

[Curiosity]

Pangloss and Doc

I envy you your thrills - I am inclined to play it safe - a nanny (as Pangloss writes - nannyism) or more like a ninny - probably because I have seen too much.

I have one failing and that is speed - in any craft - plane (my husband was a pilot) - watercraft - and automobile - but it has to be forward speed - going somewhere - destination planned. I guess it gives me a feeling of control or something. My own car sits idly in the garage getting little use other than the mundane trips necessary these days. I've ceased to dare the God of Speed much any more.

Enjoy your life - you know all of us are really gambling large every day in our modern world... to those who make it healthy and hearty recollecting what a great life they have had.... long into their elder years.... I salute all of them.... and well done.

 

[Said1]

I stopped using drugs all together yrs ago. I found they eventually led to the same thing.....paranoia, depression, guilt etc, etc - self-medication can be really trippy. Sure, they started out fun and I learned a lot about 'perception', especially the use of our 'social masks' (I love to watch people, I'm a bit of a voyeur, not the preverted kind, the cute, funny kind), but in the end it stopped being fun. Then, I had a baby. Talk about seeing yourself for what you are, perception changes, seeing the cosmos and so on. What a trip that was!

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Pangloss and Doc

I envy you your thrills - I am inclined to play it safe - a nanny (as Pangloss writes - nannyism) or more like a ninny - probably because I have seen too much.

I have one failing and that is speed - in any craft - plane (my husband was a pilot) - watercraft - and automobile - but it has to be forward speed - going somewhere - destination planned. I guess it gives me a feeling of control or something. My own car sits idly in the garage getting little use other than the mundane trips necessary these days. I've ceased to dare the God of Speed much any more.

Enjoy your life - you know all of us are really gambling large every day in our modern world... to those who make it healthy and hearty recollecting what a great life they have had.... long into their elder years.... I salute all of them.... and well done.

UUUUU whooooooo...I have not been even drunk since i was 37....I quit all that stuff way before then.

I gotta say though the thread brought back memories....I did not start in the thread as i ended up....
I don't think pure pscychedelics are as dangerous as they are made out to be....now onto this character with the TRIPPY avatar

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I stopped using drugs all together yrs ago. I found they eventually led to the same thing.....paranoia, depression, guilt etc, etc - self-medication can be really trippy. Sure, they started out fun and I learned a lot about 'perception', especially the use of our 'social masks' (I love to watch people, I'm a bit of a voyeur, not the preverted kind, the cute, funny kind), but in the end it stopped being fun. Then, I had a baby. Talk about seeing yourself for what you are, perception changes, seeing the cosmos and so on. What a trip that was!

I love yer avatar...oh yeah hi!!!
apart from having a baby i pretty much agree with yer post from expierence..
I'm a total prevert when it comes to voyerism...even some real old guy getting out of his unnerwears in a window and i'm all gaga....and i'm a heteral sexual guy cepting for a few times with sheep .....but they were female sheep so i'm stilla pure heteral non homophobic sheep shagging normal every day guy

 

[Vereya]

Thanks for sharing your story, Impetus, it was absolutely awesome. With psychedelics miracles do sometimes happen. I read about this property of LSD, but I have never before actually heard this kind of story from someone who experienced it.
And it was really great that you had access to LSD at that time. The sixties and the seventies must have been an interesting time in the West. It was absolutely different in Russia at that time, and now psychedelic awareness is only beginning to shape...

 

[Vereya]

It was like we were some kinda warriors doing the dirty to find something.Risking our sanity and future generations through genetic mutations......

There is another hypothesis, and it is that indigo children are mostly born to parents, who have tried psychedelics. If the parents, or just the mother, have ever used psychedelics to increase their awareness, their children will already be born aware. Like, if you had a couple of really good trips, and if you have changed yourself in a certain way in these trips, you children won't need to do it, as they will already be born the way you chose to be after the trips. Anyone here has an extra-clever kid? ;-)

 

[Unforgiven]

There is another hypothesis, and it is that indigo children are mostly born to parents, who have tried psychedelics. If the parents, or just the mother, have ever used psychedelics to increase their awareness, their children will already be born aware. Like, if you had a couple of really good trips, and if you have changed yourself in a certain way in these trips, you children won't need to do it, as they will already be born the way you chose to be after the trips. Anyone here has an extra-clever kid? ;-)

Indigo Children?

 

[Vereya]

Indigo Children?

In brief -

The Indigo phenomenon has been recognized as one of the most exciting changes in human nature ever documented in society. The Indigo label describes the energy pattern of human behavior which exists in over 95% of the children born in the last 10 years … This phenomena is happening globally and eventually the Indigos will replace all other colors. As small children, Indigo’s are easy to recognize by their unusually large, clear eyes. Extremely bright, precocious children with an amazing memory and a strong desire to live instinctively, these children of the next millennium are sensitive, gifted souls with an evolved consciousness who have come here to help change the vibrations of our lives and create one land, one globe and one species. They are our bridge to the future.

http://skepdic.com/indigo.html

 

[Unforgiven]

Thanks for the link.

 

[Impetus]

It was indeed a very interesting time. I was only 14 when I ran into a girl I knew in the neighbourhood and she gave me this little "glass sliver" looking thing. She said, "Be careful!" I thought "how can something so small hurt me?", popped it down and rode off on my bicycle.

My first sense of the abnormal was the road seemed to take on a ribbon-like quality - twisting around side to side and up and down - but I could ride on it even almost upside-down. I thought "this is cool!" and next the hydro poles started to flex and droop down to the street. I figured it's time to lose the bike so I went home.

There was the usual bunch of my sisters' friends over and they kept trying the standard "freak out" tricks on me, making faces, waving hands in front of my face (Oooh, trails!) and talking about me like I was dead and gone. I just laughed...

Thing is, no matter how stoned I've ever been (pretty damn stoned), I've always managed to keep one foot on the ground and blame the acid for anything "outlandish".

Even during the one ER trip, I was still just about peaking on it and still able to act straight enough to pass muster.

Muz

Thanks for sharing your story, Impetus, it was absolutely awesome. With psychedelics miracles do sometimes happen. I read about this property of LSD, but I have never before actually heard this kind of story from someone who experienced it.
And it was really great that you had access to LSD at that time. The sixties and the seventies must have been an interesting time in the West. It was absolutely different in Russia at that time, and now psychedelic awareness is only beginning to shape...

 

[karrie]

There is another hypothesis, and it is that indigo children are mostly born to parents, who have tried psychedelics. If the parents, or just the mother, have ever used psychedelics to increase their awareness, their children will already be born aware. Like, if you had a couple of really good trips, and if you have changed yourself in a certain way in these trips, you children won't need to do it, as they will already be born the way you chose to be after the trips. Anyone here has an extra-clever kid? ;-)

Hmm. The hypothesis falls flat in our case. My husband and I had never done psychedelics, and yet our daughter is an Indigo child. Our son is pure red, but our daughter is an Indigo child.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Hmm. The hypothesis falls flat in our case. My husband and I had never done psychedelics, and yet our daughter is an Indigo child. Our son is pure red, but our daughter is an Indigo child.

What do you mean by red....I saw a documentry on Indigo children and was very pleased indeed with the state of our evolution

 

[karrie]

What do you mean by red....I saw a documentry on Indigo children and was very pleased indeed with the state of our evolution

The term indogo refers to the aura color of the child, which in turn describes temperment. my daughter is indigo

"Blue- Quiet, highly spiritual, religious, natural teacher, healer and calm. Any shade of blue in the aura is good to have. Deep blue in an aura shows one who has found his/her work and or destiny in life. Blue may also represent a tendency to be moody and depressed."

my son on the other hand is dominated by red chakra.

"Red- Strength, anger, tenacity, passion, sensuality, vitality, raw energy & willpower. Dark red may symbolize one who has a quick temper and is nervous or impulsive. All red relates to nervous tendencies"

Obviously, there is more to the types than these quick summaries, but, it gives you an idea.

 

[Said1]

Hmm. The hypothesis falls flat in our case. My husband and I had never done psychedelics, and yet our daughter is an Indigo child. Our son is pure red, but our daughter is an Indigo child.

My ex and I did more than our share of psychedelic drugs, and although my child is perfect in every sense of the word, Indigo she is not.

 

[Said1]

Actually, this sounds more like me:

Characteristics
Carroll and Tober identify ten attributes that they believe describe Indigo children[1]:

1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others do not share that.
3. Self-worth is not a big issue; they often tell the parents "who they are."
4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and do not require creative thought.
7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (non-conforming to any system).
8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
10. They are not shy in letting it be known what they needCharacteristicsCarroll and Tober identify ten attributes that they believe describe Indigo children[1]:
    1. They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
    2. They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others do not share that.
    3. Self-worth is not a big issue; they often tell the parents "who they are."
    4. They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
    5. They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
    6. They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and do not require creative thought.
    7. They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (non-conforming to any system).
    8. They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
    9. They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
    10. They are not shy in letting it be known what they need

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

Of course, a lot of the above can be attributed to up-bringing. I know I was raised to never take no for an answer, rebel against maniuplation and to resent and resist most forms of authority. Naturally, I rebelled against all of that.

 

[karrie]

Of course, a lot of the above can be attributed to up-bringing. I know I was raised to never take no for an answer, rebel against maniuplation and to resent and resist most forms of authority. Naturally, I rebelled against all of that.

I remember seeing one study that showed that the way a baby is treated upon birth helps determine its personality (the amount it's held, the amount of noise around the baby, the frequency of feedings, etc). And as each generation takes on parenting in its own way, it only stands to reason that their children will be similar 'types'.

 

[Unforgiven]

My ex and I did more than our share of psychedelic drugs, and although my child is perfect in every sense of the word, Indigo she is not.

You know you can share back some right?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Oh for crissake out loud... Indigo children? Auras? The next stage of human evolution? It's all New Age nonsense.

1. There's no good evidence there's any such thing as Indigo children, as should be clear from the link to The Skeptic's Dictionary Vereya provided. It's all hearsay, anecdote, and wishful thinking: parents looking for some more positive explanation for their children's perceptual and developmental disorders.

2. Humans do not have auras, and anybody who claims to have seen one is either lying, deluded, or suffering from some perceptual handicap like synesthesia. Think you can see auras? Test it. Have someone whose aura you think you can see stand behind a barrier and see if you can spot precisely where he or she is, and who it is. The aura's supposed to extend well beyond the body's boundary and be unique to each individual, you should be able to spot it glowing above the barrier. If you do that test honestly--and you can't know who it is beforehand, somebody else has to make that choice and not be there when you're doing the test--I guarantee you will fail. it's been tested before and nobody's ever passed a fair and honest and properly controlled test. Nobody can see auras, they don't exist.

3. Evolution doesn't have stages. There's no way to predict where human evolution will go, evolution responds to selection pressures in the environment, it's not an upward movement to progressively superior creatures. There's no intrinsic direction to it.