Live Earth

[talloola]

All of these huge benefits are a positive influence, unless, of course, your political persuasion gets in
the way, and you can't bare the attention given to the party which is 'not' your choice.

And, don't expect big changes in our lifetime, as our lifetime is only a drop in the bucket. The future,
however far off, will benefit from this time in our lives.

Although I may not benefit while I am alive, I will after my death, as the earth will still be my home,
and I want it to be healthy.

 

[Curiosity]

I'm interested in hearing how those who adamantly disagree with this method of multimedia presentation to get the word out about some issue would do it.

So far I haven't heard anything.

Unforgiven

What has 'getting the word out' got to do with anything? People who practice economic living and protection of the environment don't need announcements of media harassment to get their lifestyles in order.... we are already living the cause without any fanfare.

Edit: And since when has protection of the planet become so politicized? Who exactly has started this as part of an election process rather than a process whereby all people of any parties benefit - as it should be. All the people of the world.

It would seem nothing I write in defense would satisfy and perhaps you wouldn't be familiar with what my community in California are like....I grew up in a family which practiced environmentalism long before it was an acknowledged benefit to our earth. As an adult I have continued that practice and rarely do I break many of the rules within which I can practice. As for my power grid - you are being rather silly in cutting such a wide swath over my post.

I said I thought the televised concerts weren't as good as they were hyped and moved on... what has that to do with my environmentalism?

Have you ever seen the aftermath of a concert - the venue looks like WWIII has passed through. There is more trash and waste and electronics used than a small city would use in a week. Think about it.

I need not defend myself to you - it would appear you are merely looking for an argument which doesn't further the cause of saving the planet either.... so relax and enjoy your friends here... and stop baiting me.

Whether I enjoyed or did not enjoy the television presentation of the musicians is purely a personal opinion - unless you are adamant we all agree with your take on things. If so you are out of line.

 

[Phil B]

Part of the problem with an event like that is you have multi-millionaires with a lifestyle of excess lecturing the proles that they need to cut down on their consumption of certain cheap everyday items.

 

[Unforgiven]

Obviously I'm not filling in enough gaps here.

These concerts aren't presented to solve the problem that day and be done with it. It's all about getting the word out. There are plenty of ways to get the word out and so they use the ones they feel will get the most people interested. That makes sense as this is what they want to happen.

I asked for the alternative you have to present to the world and as expected, there are no takers. No kidding I knew that and that few if any understood what the point of the concerts were in the first place.

This wasn't free. It never is but a lot of the celebrity donated their time and effort doing what they do for a huge amount of money. But that doesn't mean the guys that come along and haul the garbage away after are donating their time to work on their day off. It's someones job to apply for the permits, keep track of the paperwork, ensure that all the waivers are signed. It's someones job to make sure the stages are build to code and safe for everyone. It's someones job to inspect that to make sure no one is cutting corners.

There are all sorts of things that go into this that cost money. And that money has to come from somewhere. But no one here is going to toss up a link to show Al Gore made this much personal income from this. But even if he did, it's not the point. The point is that there is a problem and we have to deal with it. Part of that is talking about it and sharing information so that each person can then make an informed decision.

If there is a caveat that no one can say anything unless they are perfectly pristine then the silence will be deafening. Performers fly all over the world as part of their business. That they do it one day for a good cause is bad why?

No one said you have to sit and watch and then agree with everything they have to say. But I would like for any one of you to step up and show how to bring this or any worthy issue to the public around the world some other way than the way you criticized them for.

Right or wrong at least they are doing something to try and change what they feel is terribly wrong.

 

[talloola]

Obviously I'm not filling in enough gaps here.

These concerts aren't presented to solve the problem that day and be done with it. It's all about getting the word out. There are plenty of ways to get the word out and so they use the ones they feel will get the most people interested. That makes sense as this is what they want to happen.

I asked for the alternative you have to present to the world and as expected, there are no takers. No kidding I knew that and that few if any understood what the point of the concerts were in the first place.

This wasn't free. It never is but a lot of the celebrity donated their time and effort doing what they do for a huge amount of money. But that doesn't mean the guys that come along and haul the garbage away after are donating their time to work on their day off. It's someones job to apply for the permits, keep track of the paperwork, ensure that all the waivers are signed. It's someones job to make sure the stages are build to code and safe for everyone. It's someones job to inspect that to make sure no one is cutting corners.

There are all sorts of things that go into this that cost money. And that money has to come from somewhere. But no one here is going to toss up a link to show Al Gore made this much personal income from this. But even if he did, it's not the point. The point is that there is a problem and we have to deal with it. Part of that is talking about it and sharing information so that each person can then make an informed decision.

If there is a caveat that no one can say anything unless they are perfectly pristine then the silence will be deafening. Performers fly all over the world as part of their business. That they do it one day for a good cause is bad why?

No one said you have to sit and watch and then agree with everything they have to say. But I would like for any one of you to step up and show how to bring this or any worthy issue to the public around the world some other way than the way you criticized them for.

Right or wrong at least they are doing something to try and change what they feel is terribly wrong.

Yeah, exactly what I have been trying to say. Amazing all who want to find fault with something
good and positive.
Anything like this concert, will help to raise the awareness of many people, what on this 'live earth'
could be wrong with that.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Yeah great so we had a big rock concert all the celeberties get to feel wonderful and the masses are suppossed to pitch in and help.


If this is the only way to get the message out than we are celebrating mediocrity...someone is screaming in here he wants everyone to come up with a better solution and lies back all happy baiting away,condeming cause he has the comfy rock concert venue to back his stance. Pathetic...did you post in other threads where you were ask to....try the pscyhcedelic one.....


So the planet is all morons and only friggin rock concerts catch our attention...oh and David Sazuki showing some moron how to get more beer by switching light bulbs....I mean it's the lowest common denominator here.....have you seen the lame ass comercials david suzuki is doing for the cause....we're all idiot beer drinkers and he does his schtick to show us we are....


It's all to evade the real buisness of getting the job done...simple draconian measures aimed all over the planet at every country or we don't do buisness with you....just stop polluteing...spend money on scrubbers for the coal fired plants....make nuclear safe....demand no one puts an ounce of pollution in our water....stop pesticide use...roll back farming the modern way ...become more organic everywhere....we all know what to do...no one is doing it...

all this recycling plastic and newsprint still causes different types of pollution and poison into the system.....
Come on we are jerking ourselves off here.....

Smoke and mirrors till we stop polluting...
And everyone is buying it's all the little guys fault for just living the life created for him....hell it isn't my fault it's dupont, glaxo maxo faxo daxo.....

ok rant over
go back to the forum game...

 

[lena]

too bad there is no real celebs!!! its really all about money...they are all null and void....

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

too bad there is no real celebs!!! its really all about money...they are all null and void....

I totally hear you.....their lives when found out are horror stories...
It's hard to find role models....
Lena start a thread where are the real celebs...or who do you think is a role model

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Yeah, exactly what I have been trying to say. Amazing all who want to find fault with something
good and positive.
Anything like this concert, will help to raise the awareness of many people, what on this 'live earth'
could be wrong with that.

I don't think anyone here is actually against it happening. Just commenting on the reality of what it is.Posts speak for themselves,if thats finding fault with it and what will become of it...so be it.

I enjoyed some of the acts.
Smashing pumpkins did not say anything about the crisis. They did sing "The world is a vampire".
The lyric "Despite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage"...I guess is a statement on the crisis..I took it as such....then he asked to buy his new album and don't download it for free like you did all our other albums...then he spoke into the mike "Just kidding"....
Madonna was briliant.
Roger Waters never commented on the crisis.And he's the crown prince of hitting us with the human condition...guess he didn't see the point..oh yeah he had the pig thing floating round with a statement on it....might have been "His people's" idea?

someone at the very end said it wasn't a doom and gloom concert but a celebration of the planet...which was odd to say in front of the constant SOS

 

[Unforgiven]

lol!

Keep swinging, you're bound to hit something eventually.

Yeah great so we had a big rock concert all the celeberties get to feel wonderful and the masses are suppossed to pitch in and help.


If this is the only way to get the message out than we are celebrating mediocrity...someone is screaming in here he wants everyone to come up with a better solution and lies back all happy baiting away,condeming cause he has the comfy rock concert venue to back his stance. Pathetic...did you post in other threads where you were ask to....try the pscyhcedelic one.....


So the planet is all morons and only friggin rock concerts catch our attention...oh and David Sazuki showing some moron how to get more beer by switching light bulbs....I mean it's the lowest common denominator here.....have you seen the lame ass comercials david suzuki is doing for the cause....we're all idiot beer drinkers and he does his schtick to show us we are....


It's all to evade the real buisness of getting the job done...simple draconian measures aimed all over the planet at every country or we don't do buisness with you....just stop polluteing...spend money on scrubbers for the coal fired plants....make nuclear safe....demand no one puts an ounce of pollution in our water....stop pesticide use...roll back farming the modern way ...become more organic everywhere....we all know what to do...no one is doing it...

all this recycling plastic and newsprint still causes different types of pollution and poison into the system.....
Come on we are jerking ourselves off here.....

Smoke and mirrors till we stop polluting...
And everyone is buying it's all the little guys fault for just living the life created for him....hell it isn't my fault it's dupont, glaxo maxo faxo daxo.....

ok rant over
go back to the forum game...

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

lol!

Keep swinging, you're bound to hit something eventually.

I see the ole unforgiven way out is back, and very much alive....
Take my post apart..go for it....We all are watching.
Teach us...stay focused and take it apart instead of trolling


he won't do it....

 

[Unforgiven]

Yeah, exactly what I have been trying to say. Amazing all who want to find fault with something
good and positive.
Anything like this concert, will help to raise the awareness of many people, what on this 'live earth'
could be wrong with that.

I'm often amazed at the extent people will go to knock someone trying to do something good. Bitter people make for sour grapes.

 

[Unforgiven]

Unforgiven

What has 'getting the word out' got to do with anything? People who practice economic living and protection of the environment don't need announcements of media harassment to get their lifestyles in order.... we are already living the cause without any fanfare.

Unfortunately not everyone is doing that. Actually as it is the environment is taking a serious beating that it's just not rebounding from. So it's not you who are or think they are doing everything right to preserve the environment that need to sit up and listen. Though if you do, you might learn something you didn't know.

Edit: And since when has protection of the planet become so politicized? Who exactly has started this as part of an election process rather than a process whereby all people of any parties benefit - as it should be. All the people of the world.

Politicians are if nothing else, quick to see an opportunity and capitalize on it. But sometimes the end justifies the means.

It would seem nothing I write in defense would satisfy and perhaps you wouldn't be familiar with what my community in California are like....I grew up in a family which practiced environmentalism long before it was an acknowledged benefit to our earth. As an adult I have continued that practice and rarely do I break many of the rules within which I can practice. As for my power grid - you are being rather silly in cutting such a wide swath over my post.

I don't know what community you represent in California. While I applaud your efforts, few people consider exactly how dependant we are on oil. It's in everything we use, everything we do and all that our way of life is about. Oil in one way or another has touched everything. So while it may seem like a wide swath, it's due to how dependant you personally are on oil. We all are but few ever take the time to realize it. And don't for a second think that the oil industry isn't sitting in the hallowed halls of government to see that it stays that way. Even if you wanted to live without oil, you can't. You don't have that choice and this is a reality we all need to learn to see. Then maybe we can see how to make changes.

I said I thought the televised concerts weren't as good as they were hyped and moved on... what has that to do with my environmentalism?

Here is what you said:

It doesn't take much knowledge to be aware of how easy it is to be earth friendly and learn habits which in the long run make more sense than all the silliness we fall for through advertising.

I think environmentally sound is also a quiet personal message - not one which has to be pounded in with drums and guitars....

We're running out of places to dump garbage. We don't have a use for all that we recycle now. Our water is no longer drinkable without treatment and the air is killing people.

Is someone not getting this simple message you know? It isn't easy at all. On top of that there are people who are paid large sums of money just to make a product sell regardless of how much pollution it causes. That is who is winning the ad wars. Go ahead and count how many commercials you see with over packaged goods and the resurrection of the disposable product. If in fact what you say is true, then why is the opposite happening?

Have you ever seen the aftermath of a concert - the venue looks like WWIII has passed through. There is more trash and waste and electronics used than a small city would use in a week. Think about it.

True enough. But I would suggest that there are good causes and bad causes. So if the net outcome is a positive change then it's worth the hit on trash waste and electricity use. If it's just for profit of a few people, then I would agree.

I need not defend myself to you - it would appear you are merely looking for an argument which doesn't further the cause of saving the planet either.... so relax and enjoy your friends here... and stop baiting me.

Whether I enjoyed or did not enjoy the television presentation of the musicians is purely a personal opinion - unless you are adamant we all agree with your take on things. If so you are out of line.

I asked from the out set here, to those who feel Gore and Suzuki are just scamming money out of these concerts along with the celebrities who are performing, to show how they are doing that, and show how you would spread this information without using the methods they used. If you feel this is baiting you, well I'm sorry. While my syntax may be gruff and unlovely, it is a quite valid set of questions.

 

[triedit]

An accoustic set of concerts in open air, in only the daylight. Nothing allowed but water bottles and those must be recycled. In a smoke free environment. And the talent pays thier own way.

I could get behind that.

This was bulls1t.

 

[Unforgiven]

Do you think that would be as big a draw?
Also how would you get the message out to people unable to attend?

An accoustic set of concerts in open air, in only the daylight. Nothing allowed but water bottles and those must be recycled. In a smoke free environment. And the talent pays thier own way.

I could get behind that.

This was bulls1t.