My pleas to fellow Muslims: you must renounce terror

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My plea to fellow Muslims: you must renounce terror

As the bombers return to Britain, Hassan Butt, who was once a member of radical group Al-Muhajiroun, raising funds for extremists and calling for attacks on British citizens, explains why he was wrong

Sunday July 1, 2007
The Observer
by Hassan Butt


The blazing SUV crashed into side of Glasgow Airport


A suspect is on fire as he is surrounded by cops and paramedics. One of them can be seen holding an extinguisher. When he came out of the Jeep on fire, witnesses reported hearing him shout "Allah! Allah!" A paramedic shouted in reply "No, Steve, Steve."



When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy.

By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

Friday's attempt to cause mass destruction in London with strategically placed car bombs is so reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that it is likely to have been carried out by my former peers.

And as with previous terror attacks, people are again articulating the line that violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy. For example, yesterday on Radio 4's Today programme, the (Lefty) mayor of London, "Red" Ken Livingstone, said: 'What all our intelligence shows about the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq.'

He then refused to acknowledge the role of Islamist ideology in terrorism and said that the Muslim Brotherhood and those who give a religious mandate to suicide bombings in Palestine were genuinely representative of Islam.

I left the BJN in February 2006, but if I were still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again. Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the 7 July bombings, and I were both part of the BJN - I met him on two occasions - and though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow Muslim across the world, what drove me and many of my peers to plot acts of extreme terror within Britain, our own homeland and abroad, was a sense that we were fighting for the creation of a revolutionary state that would eventually bring Islamic justice to the world.

How did this continuing violence come to be the means of promoting this (flawed) utopian goal? How do Islamic radicals justify such terror in the name of their religion? There isn't enough room to outline everything here, but the foundation of extremist reasoning rests upon a dualistic model of the world. Many Muslims may or may not agree with secularism but at the moment, formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for the separation of state and religion. There is no 'rendering unto Caesar' in Islamic theology because state and religion are considered to be one and the same. The centuries-old reasoning of Islamic jurists also extends to the world stage where the rules of interaction between Dar ul-Islam (the Land of Islam) and Dar ul-Kufr (the Land of Unbelief) have been set down to cover almost every matter of trade, peace and war.

What radicals and extremists do is to take these premises two steps further. Their first step has been to reason that since there is no Islamic state in existence, the whole world must be Dar ul-Kufr. Step two: since Islam must declare war on unbelief, they have declared war upon the whole world. Many of my former peers, myself included, were taught by Pakistani and British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth, land, mind and belief. In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice of attacking civilians.

This understanding of the global battlefield has been a source of friction for Muslims living in Britain. For decades, radicals have been exploiting these tensions between Islamic theology and the modern secular state for their benefit, typically by starting debate with the question: 'Are you British or Muslim?' But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their following is because most Islamic institutions in Britain just don't want to talk about theology. They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex topic of violence within Islam and instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace, focus on Islam as personal, and hope that all of this debate will go away.

This has left the territory of ideas open for radicals to claim as their own. I should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, every time mosque authorities banned us from their grounds, it felt like a moral and religious victory.

Outside Britain, there are those who try to reverse this two-step revisionism. A handful of scholars from the Middle East has tried to put radicalism back in the box by saying that the rules of war devised by Islamic jurists were always conceived with the existence of an Islamic state in mind, a state which would supposedly regulate jihad in a responsible Islamic fashion. In other words, individual Muslims don't have the authority to go around declaring global war in the name of Islam.

But there is a more fundamental reasoning that has struck me and a number of other people who have recently left radical Islamic networks as a far more potent argument because it involves stepping out of this dogmatic paradigm and recognising the reality of the world: Muslims don't actually live in the bipolar world of the Middle Ages any more.

The fact is that Muslims in Britain are citizens of this country. We are no longer migrants in a Land of Unbelief. For my generation, we were born here, raised here, schooled here, we work here and we'll stay here. But more than that, on a historically unprecedented scale, Muslims in Britain have been allowed to assert their religious identity through clothing, the construction of mosques, the building of cemeteries and equal rights in law.

However, it isn't enough for Muslims to say that because they feel at home in Britain they can simply ignore those passages of the Koran which instruct on killing unbelievers. By refusing to challenge centuries-old theological arguments, the tensions between Islamic theology and the modern world grow larger every day. It may be difficult to swallow but the reason why Abu Qatada - the Islamic scholar whom Palestinian militants recently called to be released in exchange for the kidnapped BBC journalist Alan Johnston - has a following is because he is extremely learned and his religious rulings are well argued. His opinions, though I now thoroughly disagree with them, have validity within the broad canon of Islam.

Since leaving the BJN, many Muslims have accused me of being a traitor. If I knew of any impending attack, then I would have no hesitation in going to the police, but I have not gone to the authorities, as some reports have suggested, and become an informer.

I believe that the issue of terrorism can be easily demystified if Muslims and non-Muslims start openly to discuss the ideas that fuel terrorism. (The Muslim community in Britain must slap itself awake from this state of denial and realise there is no shame in admitting the extremism within our families, communities and worldwide co-religionists.) However, demystification will not be achieved if the only bridges of engagement that are formed are between the BJN and the security services.

If our country is going to take on radicals and violent extremists, Muslim scholars must go back to the books and come forward with a refashioned set of rules and a revised understanding of the rights and responsibilities of Muslims whose homes and souls are firmly planted in what I'd like to term the Land of Co-existence. And when this new theological territory is opened up, Western Muslims will be able to liberate themselves from defunct models of the world, rewrite the rules of interaction and perhaps we will discover that the concept of killing in the name of Islam is no more than an anachronism.

Interview with Butt - here -

observer.guardian.co.uk
 

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Very thoughtful of Butt in denouncing Muslim terrorism. The voice of one person can have much positive impact.

Too bad that the MILLIONS of anti-war protesters who denounced Christian terrorism in the form of Bush's invasion on Iraq didn't work out. But perhaps some day it will.
 

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If you analyze the history of this form of terror it really isn't anything new except for the willingness of one to die with explosives strapped to their bodies. In WW II the japanese military had a history of this and there are other documented case histories. But what separates this group from the predecessors is it's willingness to commit the same atrocities on it s own people. Many claim that if it were us we'd be doing the same thing. That too is documented in history and yes in Europe it has happened unfortunately. But what has happened in the past should not cloud what a bright future there could be for this world if we could only adopt the ides of active respect for each other and recognize that there is room to accomodate most ethnic groups and their usual customs. Maybe not in our communities but some place in this world. The current terror plots may not be linked by actual plan but they all do coincide with the other incidents. What we all have to hope for is that they don't perfect those bombs to the point that they do go off at the intened point and kill many thousands of innocent people. What is the point?
 

Just the Facts

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To all my fellow Christians on this forum, how do you feel about this form of terrorism:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/us-american-politics/53280-secrets-cia.html


Sad, ain't it?

Actually, it makes me proud that films like that can exist, and you can post links to it, without disappearing. Nobody said the west is perfect, but we do have the ability to evolve and improve through self reflection and self criticism. That's a major point.

"I've been in every nook and cranny of the United States, at hundreds of meetings and rallies".

Can you imagine a rally in Teheran protesting the Mullah's support of Hezbullah? Those are the type of events that no Iranian would attend twice! :lol:

Also, what exactly does any of this have to do with Christian theology? Did the CIA use the New Testament to justify napalming Laotians? I must have missed that part.
 

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the first thing i must say is; stupid muslims you play with fire and you get burned

the second thing must be muslims are trying to take over the world. they hate the west then they move to a western country to destroy that civilised part of the world. you'll find that in the uk they are not wanted by the british people only the pc communist like leaders of the uk invite them to stay
 

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the first thing i must say is; stupid muslims you play with fire and you get burned

the second thing must be muslims are trying to take over the world. they hate the west then they move to a western country to destroy that civilised part of the world. you'll find that in the uk they are not wanted by the british people only the pc communist like leaders of the uk invite them to stay
Racist Ignorant B.S .
To lump 1.3 billion people into a single group and then continue to address a specific point of view to all these people smacks nothing of ignorance and racism . Empty vessels make the most sound hence the fact that you can hear the voices of extreme religious wackos the loudest should tell you that they are in fact a minority whose ranks are swelling due directly to US Policy on the international stage .
Case in point Bin Laden , if you took the time to read the list of demands that he issued to the world shortly after 9/11 it was not idealogical but geopolitical , demands about specific us policys and actions IN THE MIDDLE EAST . I'am not advocating meeting the demands of self professed mass murderer but the point i'am making is nevertheless clear . (the bull**** about freedom was propoganda in no where did he demand that people stop somking weed drinking or sleeping in on fridays )
Now as to the point that the British people do not want them , well of course no one wants a terrorist living next door but you assume all British people are as ignorant and racist as yourself .(In other words you are assuming that Brits consider all Muslims to be terrorist ) i've been to the UK they are not nearly as ignorant as you Islamophobes would like them to be. (We are talking about the same people who resisted Facism for 6 years even when that resistance risked their lives and their sovernity )
You know what talk to a Muslim someday and ask them why they are in the UK for the same reason that jews came to the uk after 1945 and the same reason that poles are coming as we speak to england guessed it yet ? ECONOMIC SUCESS . As for taking over the world it's racist right wing islamophobic leaders that want to not take over the world but your society by slowly eroding your freedoms in the name of national security and enpowering corporations by allowing them to make massive profits providing essential services to troops fighting an unessential war .
 

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observer84 before you open your mouth to spew bull s**t everywhere please turn and face a field to put your talent to good use

it is simply common sense when people offend me, my religion and my country then they are just asking for it. you obviously did not see a documentary about how british people dont want more imigrants. im sure if you lived in london like me you wouldnt like muslims either, after the london bombings whenever a asian got on the bus/train/tube with a bag everyone would stare so is that racism or fear of being blown up?
 

SwitSof

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Well amongst Asians themselves, there are South Asians like Indians, East Asians like Chinese, Japanese and Korean, South East Asians like Malays and they do look quite different, and if you're coming from Vietnam, surely you know this?

Are you saying now ALL Asians are prejudiced against by Brits as to be considered an accomplice of these acts of terror such as the bombing incident?

BTW your nick sounds like an Indonesian name actually. Is it?
 

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I work with a crew of Muslims. We do landscaping in Calgary and finish most jobs way ahead of schedule. We finish our jobs in half the time other crews take. My crew leader and his son who left Lebanon last year during the crisis told me of the things they saw, and the terrorists that were in the area, truly horrific sights.

Most Muslims I know think of terrorism as I do. They just want to work, make a living for their family and do so in peace.
 

triedit

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No terrorism is the work of God. No God supports this behavior. No religious label should be placed on these events, they have nothing to do with serving god under any of his names.

Terrorism is a political agenda, pure and simple. Saying it is based in religion is an insult to every God known throughout history.
 

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observer84 before you open your mouth to spew bull s**t everywhere please turn and face a field to put your talent to good use

it is simply common sense when people offend me, my religion and my country then they are just asking for it. you obviously did not see a documentary about how british people dont want more imigrants. im sure if you lived in london like me you wouldnt like muslims either, after the london bombings whenever a asian got on the bus/train/tube with a bag everyone would stare so is that racism or fear of being blown up?
Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world ? Do you know how many live and work in london ? do you know how many were responsible for the terrorist attacks ? Do the math .
Also you said they offend you ?how by just existing ? They offend your religion ? Again how because they are different ?
You seem to have a problem with Muslims that existed long before the bombings .To lump more than a billion people into one catagorey and hate them all because of what a few do is wrong everyway you put it . Your problems seem to be strictly ideological and not based on any fear for your own security .
Let me put it like this how many people are murdered in London on a day ? How many people are blown up by terrorists ? I don't know the numbers over there but i do know that in the US the chances of dying at the hands of a terrorist are less than that of being struck by lighting when it clouds over do you get as scared as you do when a Muslim carrying a bag gets on the same bus as you ?
You are a product of one of two things :
Either Ignorance of the facts of the world around you and you simply buy the media bs about terrorists at every corner .
Or
You have and ideological or a personal grudge against muslims and these terrible events just give your intrinsically racist /Hatefull views an almost credible apperance .
 

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what exactly does any of this have to do with Christian theology?

Bush claimed to have been inspired by God to do his evil work all over the world. He could easily stop the CIA today if he felt so inspired.
 

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what exactly does any of this have to do with Christian theology?

Bush claimed to have been inspired by God to do his evil work all over the world. He could easily stop the CIA today if he felt so inspired.
Absolutely nothing ! I'am not saying it has anything to do with Christian theology , notice i used the word ideology meaning not based in religion , the people killing in the name of a religion whose very name translates to peace are also practicing their very own form of ideology based on a sketchy and extremist theology . I don't know what harry's problems with muslims are i'd just bet two months pay they existed long before the bombings in london .
 

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Interesting stuff, the muslims using terror to justify setting up an islamic world, and to think, the Bush administration has so many people who wanted to establish a vast Christian Conservative empire around the world. At the onset, Bush said we started a great crusade and withdrew the statement almost immediately. Two ideoligies both swinging at windmills and everyone else caught in the middle.
In the end we have a clash of wills, both infested with greed, power and money, truth, peace even justice be damned.
Terror is as old as history, it was even used agains the Roman Empire, and over the years, America has trained terrorists, ah, no freedom fighters. What about the terrorists in central america, or for that matter the terrorists in Afghanistan, they were trained and equipped to fight the Russians, and now we have to fight them.
This conflict will go on for at least thirty more years before it finally sees a light at the end of the tunnel.
 

Minority Observer84

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in truth no one can define terrorism today :
It used to be something like : The Use of violence or the threat of violence to get political practical or ideological gains by intimidation , coersion or otherwise instilling fear in a larger population .
That defination was scraped because it not only applied to american opperations for geopolitcal control but also applied to countless campaigns of state sponsored terrorism . No one does terrorism like the US the sad thing is most people are too ignorant to know about state sponsored terrorism .
Wanna see terrorism check out the newly released documents of CIA past operations .
 

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Very thoughtful of Butt in denouncing Muslim terrorism. The voice of one person can have much positive impact.

Too bad that the MILLIONS of anti-war protesters who denounced Christian terrorism in the form of Bush's invasion on Iraq didn't work out. But perhaps some day it will.
Nice Anti-American, Anti-Christian Pro Islamic Extremist post.. :roll:
 

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The Muslims are not interested in taking over the world they just want the Christians out of their country.

Once there is peace in the Middle East and the countries are prospering then the Muslim refugees that are in countries like England and United States where prejudices are part of the churches beliefs the Muslims will go back to their homelands.

Christians are making this war last longer because of their beliefs that the second coming will come after there is an all out war in the Middle East.

George Bush Jr. will keep the troops there until he can shake hands with Jesus himself.