Breaking News-Humans 'not to blame' for climate change
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Don't you have it backwards. Wouldn't it be the skeptics that are more likely to have an open mind and the sheep to take an inflexible opinion? What garbage have the puppet masters been feeding you?
It is said the more someone learns the more they realize how much they don’t know. I sheep is someone who thinks they have everything figured out.
Who is pulling your strings?
Strings
Tip: Skeptics are not scholars. Scholars dedicate their lives to learn. Scholars realize they cannot understand everything and is innocent. Most Scholars learn by memorizing and not questioning. Skeptics are people who thinks based upon real facts and learns by memorization. Most skeptics ignores details because politics and fame is attractive. Also, they do not consider everything as linked. They do not think about stuff from the top to the bottom. From the outside to the inner depth. They only reflect on one point and shouts that one point they know how to analyze.
No one is pulling my strings. The whole point of calling skeptics is because they think. They think about something and they keep on thinking. If they truly understand something, I believe they will be called an expert. An expert and earn whatever they want. Skeptics are confused people thinking and analyzing what they have in the news.
There are no sheeps in this world. People may get scared, however they will make the right decision (most of them anyway) when they understand the whole situation by explaining of facts and evidence of nowadays science and exsistance of nature.
Not all skeptics are that confused. I know some skeptics know the truth and decides to support global warming's exsistance and help to reduce the global warming.
I am sure that most are that way because they think humanity is flawless. This humanity is flawless is made by the higher politician and control of media. The higher politician and control of media often plunge these people into thinking humanity is flawless, certain leaders are flawless and everything in human and industries are flawless. Common media control include CO2 help everyone breathe better.
Humanity is not flawless. If it is flawless, why do we have unsolved problems and mysteries? Why cannot all disease be cured? And I mean ALL.
As long we overcome this step of climate change, I believe Utopia is not far away.
Tip: Skeptics are not scholars. Scholars dedicate their lives to learn. Scholars realize they cannot understand everything and is innocent. Most Scholars learn by memorizing and not questioning. Skeptics are people who thinks based upon real facts and learns by memorization. Most skeptics ignores details because politics and fame is attractive. Also, they do not consider everything as linked. They do not think about stuff from the top to the bottom. From the outside to the inner depth. They only reflect on one point and shouts that one point they know how to analyze.
No one is pulling my strings. The whole point of calling skeptics is because they think. They think about something and they keep on thinking. If they truly understand something, I believe they will be called an expert. An expert and earn whatever they want. Skeptics are confused people thinking and analyzing what they have in the news.
There are no sheeps in this world. People may get scared, however they will make the right decision (most of them anyway) when they understand the whole situation by explaining of facts and evidence of nowadays science and exsistance of nature.
Not all skeptics are that confused. I know some skeptics know the truth and decides to support global warming's exsistance and help to reduce the global warming.
I am sure that most are that way because they think humanity is flawless. This humanity is flawless is made by the higher politician and control of media. The higher politician and control of media often plunge these people into thinking humanity is flawless, certain leaders are flawless and everything in human and industries are flawless. Common media control include CO2 help everyone breathe better.
Humanity is not flawless. If it is flawless, why do we have unsolved problems and mysteries? Why cannot all disease be cured? And I mean ALL.
As long we overcome this step of climate change, I believe Utopia is not far away.
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A title!
I read books on all sorts of stuff and think about it in all angles. It's not my favourite thing to do, but it's still something though. :wink:
Forgot to say:
#juan, I did the calculations for everyone who is interested to buy a better bulb at an understandable level.
I read books on all sorts of stuff and think about it in all angles. It's not my favourite thing to do, but it's still something though. :wink:
Forgot to say:
#juan, I did the calculations for everyone who is interested to buy a better bulb at an understandable level.
You have a twisted view of science. Einstein was a skeptic. The scientific revelation was about not just accepting what the Greeks learned but questioning it and going beyond it. In my opinion your definition of a scholar is someone which the education system failed.
Lolz
Lolz.
The Skeptics I am talking about is the opposition of Al Gore's Inconviennt Truth. I know there are the second type of skeptics that do not believe in god and use pure science to prove things. To those second types, I think they are all right in most of the time although no one have proof wheather god exsist or not.
The scholars I am talking about is people who dedicate their lives to study and to analyze. Sure, some of them make the contribution, but most are not. If you say we are all scholars, I think that people with learned knowlege that uses them cannot be called as scholars. They should be called according to the profession they are after. Greeks are great philosophers. I do not think they are scholars. Sure they learn. However, everyone learns to a point or for a second or two. We learn how to cook, buy stuff that we never seen before. That doesn't make people a scholar.
But this is about the environment!
My point is Inconvient Truth give some points that are very valid:
1.The chart shows the rising temperatures
2.The disease report shows rising temperatures causes diseases
3.The floods and droughts shows the effect of global warming
4.I think Al Gore wanted to say, people should realize global warming exsist. Even though he insulted so many skeptics.
Pay no attention to his political ways with George W. Bush.
Lolz.
The Skeptics I am talking about is the opposition of Al Gore's Inconviennt Truth. I know there are the second type of skeptics that do not believe in god and use pure science to prove things. To those second types, I think they are all right in most of the time although no one have proof wheather god exsist or not.
The scholars I am talking about is people who dedicate their lives to study and to analyze. Sure, some of them make the contribution, but most are not. If you say we are all scholars, I think that people with learned knowlege that uses them cannot be called as scholars. They should be called according to the profession they are after. Greeks are great philosophers. I do not think they are scholars. Sure they learn. However, everyone learns to a point or for a second or two. We learn how to cook, buy stuff that we never seen before. That doesn't make people a scholar.
But this is about the environment!
My point is Inconvient Truth give some points that are very valid:
1.The chart shows the rising temperatures
2.The disease report shows rising temperatures causes diseases
3.The floods and droughts shows the effect of global warming
4.I think Al Gore wanted to say, people should realize global warming exsist. Even though he insulted so many skeptics.
Pay no attention to his political ways with George W. Bush.
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)
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Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Solar Cycles
Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.
"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.
By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.
Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.
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"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.
"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)
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Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."
Planets' Wobbles
The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)
All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.
These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.
Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.
"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.
No Greenhouse
Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.
He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.
But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.
Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.
Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.
"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)
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- Climate Change Predictions Not Exaggerated, Analysis Says (February 1, 2007)
- New Mars Pictures Show Signs of Watery "Aquifers" (February 16, 2007)
- Photo Gallery: Global Warming
Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.
In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.
Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Solar Cycles
Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.
"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.
By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.
Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists.
Continued on Next Page >>
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
<< Back to Page 1 Page 2 of 2
"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.
"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)
Enlarge Photo
RELATED
- Climate Change Predictions Not Exaggerated, Analysis Says (February 1, 2007)
- New Mars Pictures Show Signs of Watery "Aquifers" (February 16, 2007)
- Photo Gallery: Global Warming
Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."
Planets' Wobbles
The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)
All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.
These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.
Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.
"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.
No Greenhouse
Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.
He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.
But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.
Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.
Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.
"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."
It doesn't make any difference what causes it. It's happening and wether man made or a cycle of nature the effects are still the same. So what are we going to do? Drive our SUV's in to perdition as the world heats up and the climate goes to hell or are we going to take what steps we can to mitigate the effects?
It doesn't make any difference what causes it. It's happening and wether man made or a cycle of nature the effects are still the same. So what are we going to do? Drive our SUV's in to perdition as the world heats up....?
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As a matter of curiosity I want to know what science is finding out.
I don't want the fervor of both sides to skew the conclusions on the stats.
I agree with you RomSpaceKnight about us making changes.
But I see a politicizing of this Global Warming issue where both sides war at each other with a religious fervor on the subject thus subjecting both sides to suspicion. You see the Left so worried about industry using denial of global warming to continue their greedy ways that they like to tell you there's no more debate, no more discussion. And you see the Right grabbing for anything to prove the Left wrong about it. I don't trust this fervor by either side. They both got an agenda. That doesn't help scientific thought.
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As a matter of curiosity I want to know what science is finding out.
I don't want the fervor of both sides to skew the conclusions on the stats.
I agree with you RomSpaceKnight about us making changes.
But I see a politicizing of this Global Warming issue where both sides war at each other with a religious fervor on the subject thus subjecting both sides to suspicion. You see the Left so worried about industry using denial of global warming to continue their greedy ways that they like to tell you there's no more debate, no more discussion. And you see the Right grabbing for anything to prove the Left wrong about it. I don't trust this fervor by either side. They both got an agenda. That doesn't help scientific thought.
The funny thing is Jim, that the top climatology scientists from a hundred and thirty countries did not produce a political document. What they produced was a bunch of hard, cold, numbers. Numbers, that suggest; the rise in CO2 levels over the last few hundred years, and the corresponding rise in global temperatures are related. Since the industrial revolution, man has dumped about eight trillion tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Carbon that was heretofore, safely buried in the ground till we dug it up. We either believe the scientists, or we believe those with a financial interest in the continued consumption of fossil fuels.
I couldn't agree more... let's get on with it already - the more we study, examine and debate this, the more we realize that time is of the essence here...
I've seen programs outlining what appear to my uneducated eye to have serious potential in not only minimizing our contribution to the problem, but adapting to the changes that are inevitably coming our way. THIS is where our focus should be, imo.
It's really quite unbelievable isn't it, that we can have our collective heads stuck so far... well you know. :roll:
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2004397,00.html
http://www.albionmonitor.net/9804b/9804b-404.html
http://www.illinohttp://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2475istimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A6463
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/30/scientists-warming/
Well like Walters cut’n paste contribution, anyone can find support for just about any idea that contains even the slightest possibility that human beings are responsible for anything…..from global warming to spending more on war machines and “smart-bombs”…for the purposes of peace of course…
To ocean reefs of automobile tires that were supposedly the answer to the plague of rubber tires left distributed all over the world by the last ice-age and its attendant glaciation….
The global-warming naysayers will tell us… “It’s the sun that’s responsible for global warming…” and as far as that goes, I suppose the balmy temperatures on Mars are fact enough to convine us all that the sun is alone to blame for melting ice-caps and glaciers….
If anyone mentions that fact that it is the earths atmosphere in combination with the suns radiation that results in global warming…well there’ve been thousands of scientists working for some time now that tell us that we’re in trouble….because of what human beings have done….and that’s not a terribly comfortable reality for people to occupy now is it…?
Imagine….after thousands of years of cutting down trees faster and faster all over the planet…..surely old-growth forests and enormous river basins would “naturally” over-time simply vanish and have little to no effect on the global gas envelope….
Imagine after decades of burning fossil fuels to live in frigid climates where the most industrial nations of the world locate their manufacturing and require enormous amounts of energy to produce trinkets for the birds and animals to play with….and certainly it’s the birds and animals that are building office towers and running the engine of commerce and industry at a fever pitch…an entirely “natural” phenomenon….
Consider after having paved over an enormous percentage of the earths surface once occupied by grasslands and forests…then mix in millions upon millions of automobiles trucks busses and vehicles powered by internal compustion engines…all driven of course by bears and parrots, dolphins and penguins…..no human being has ever been responsible for these things and as our archeologists and scientists tell us….cars busses, trucks and the internal combustion engine have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and ice-core sample reveal that Neanderthals and Cro Magnons had cross-country rallies and the Indianapolis raceway was common fodder throughout the ancient world…..
Everyone can relax about global warming…. It’s all just a myth and no need to worry….or do anything for that matter….
Just listen and read all the science these morons offer to support their positions….
My gawd there’s an awful lot of incredibly stupid people in this world!
http://www.albionmonitor.net/9804b/9804b-404.html
http://www.illinohttp://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2475istimes.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A6463
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/30/scientists-warming/
Well like Walters cut’n paste contribution, anyone can find support for just about any idea that contains even the slightest possibility that human beings are responsible for anything…..from global warming to spending more on war machines and “smart-bombs”…for the purposes of peace of course…
To ocean reefs of automobile tires that were supposedly the answer to the plague of rubber tires left distributed all over the world by the last ice-age and its attendant glaciation….
The global-warming naysayers will tell us… “It’s the sun that’s responsible for global warming…” and as far as that goes, I suppose the balmy temperatures on Mars are fact enough to convine us all that the sun is alone to blame for melting ice-caps and glaciers….
If anyone mentions that fact that it is the earths atmosphere in combination with the suns radiation that results in global warming…well there’ve been thousands of scientists working for some time now that tell us that we’re in trouble….because of what human beings have done….and that’s not a terribly comfortable reality for people to occupy now is it…?
Imagine….after thousands of years of cutting down trees faster and faster all over the planet…..surely old-growth forests and enormous river basins would “naturally” over-time simply vanish and have little to no effect on the global gas envelope….
Imagine after decades of burning fossil fuels to live in frigid climates where the most industrial nations of the world locate their manufacturing and require enormous amounts of energy to produce trinkets for the birds and animals to play with….and certainly it’s the birds and animals that are building office towers and running the engine of commerce and industry at a fever pitch…an entirely “natural” phenomenon….
Consider after having paved over an enormous percentage of the earths surface once occupied by grasslands and forests…then mix in millions upon millions of automobiles trucks busses and vehicles powered by internal compustion engines…all driven of course by bears and parrots, dolphins and penguins…..no human being has ever been responsible for these things and as our archeologists and scientists tell us….cars busses, trucks and the internal combustion engine have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and ice-core sample reveal that Neanderthals and Cro Magnons had cross-country rallies and the Indianapolis raceway was common fodder throughout the ancient world…..
Everyone can relax about global warming…. It’s all just a myth and no need to worry….or do anything for that matter….
Just listen and read all the science these morons offer to support their positions….
My gawd there’s an awful lot of incredibly stupid people in this world!
As in all controversies, one has a tendency to believe the experts that agree with one own preconceived opinion, disregarding all opposing views as propaganda or even outright lies.
My own personal opinion is, that unless we revert back to horse and buggy days, farm using manual labour, completely halt the transportation of goods using internal combustion engines......what is being proposed is a drop in the bucket, and won't even make a dent in the global warming process.....and I'm not hiding my head in the sand .....just being realistic;-)
My own personal opinion is, that unless we revert back to horse and buggy days, farm using manual labour, completely halt the transportation of goods using internal combustion engines......what is being proposed is a drop in the bucket, and won't even make a dent in the global warming process.....and I'm not hiding my head in the sand .....just being realistic;-)