9-11 Unmasking the Media Perps

Dexter Sinister

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Oh, good. More childish yelling. Why bother discussing anything with a person of this level of maturity, Dex?
'Cause some part of me is an incurable optimist and I keep hoping he'll come to his senses and actually live up to his name. Doesn't seem likely though, he commented on only the first link in the list I gave him, only on things it didn't say, not what it did say, and he thinks he's explained it all away. That's pretty poor logic; maybe you're right.
 

darkbeaver

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Then why did you so clearly appear to say that you do? I read your post to mean that you think the people who run and contribute to Skeptic and Skeptical Inquirer are "new age gurus and flakes selling half baked self-help manuals." Vol. 12 No. 4 of Skeptic (it's a quarterly, that's the last issue of 2006) contains a thorough, reasonable, and entirely credible debunking of 9/11 conspiracy claims, and so does the September/October 2002 issue of Skeptical Inquirer. I have them in front of me on my desk right now, and I re-read those articles before making this post. There is simply no good evidence any agency of the U.S. government had anything to do with 9/11, and it strains credibility to think that the same 'idiot retards,' in Logic 7's phrase, who were so easily shown to be incompetent liars on the matter of WMDs in Iraq used to justify the original invasion, could pull off a conspiracy and coverup on the scale necessary for the U.S. government to have orchestrated 9/11. I'd immediately agree we don't have all the answers on 9/11 yet, but to think the U.S. government did that to itself is just not believable on the evidence.

They aren't incompetant liars Dex they're very good liars, experts in fact. Somebody destroyed the buildings it precipitated an invasion and occupation of two countrys. There are two suspects, one has all the resources in the known world the other has virtually none. The motive of one is revenge the motive of the other is virtual ownership of the world. The American government did nothing to itself, it snuffed 3000 people and trashed a few buildings, and you cannot buy public relations like that. You cannot galvanize and mobilize a nation without an act just like it.
You believe that the government in question won't do things like 9/11, and I know that they will.The cicumstantial evidence points directly to government involvment. The history of Al-queda is itself suspect having been a construct of the CIA and Pakistani intelligence.
Today I'v read that the known reserves of Iraqi oil could be twice what they were thought to be, those hydro-carbons mean life and death to the transnationals and the system that promotes and hides them, there is literally nothing that they will not do to secure the region.
The claim I made about the magazine was not meant to be taken literally, and I'm surprized that you did I apologize for any discomfort or blood pressure problems you may have experianced. Somehow you don't see the failure of airdefence or any of the other points as valid, that I cannot understand, the questions surrounding the 9/11 attacks have merit, the answers have not been forthcoming, you have a very long list of PHDs as well as thousands of professionals the world over who are not satisfied with the official story, I have satisfied myself about the 9/11 attack, I have no doubt about who the big winners are and they ain't any ragged pseudo-terrorists from the middle east.
One more thing, those idiot retards as you have characterized them have thier fingers on weapons and systems we can only imagine, they have connections in every aspect of the western world, you should not underestimate them. We don't have to disscuss this subject again, you have my feelings and certainly that's all they are, just feelings and supositions, however I do maintain that's all you have as well, and in your case that ammounts to the word of those same aforementioned liars and incompetents. Gooday sir I hope this note finds you in good cheer.:smile:
 

Logic 7

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'Cause some part of me is an incurable optimist and I keep hoping he'll come to his senses and actually live up to his name. Doesn't seem likely though, he commented on only the first link in the list I gave him, only on things it didn't say, not what it did say, and he thinks he's explained it all away. That's pretty poor logic; maybe you're right.



First of , you didnt even comment, you just posted some link, you don't even know one single part of what is being discussed, the only thing you know is 19 hijackers from alqueada, did 9-11, period.




Still from right there, i can debunk it, 8 of those hijackers are still alive and well,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

you know the worst? the US governement didnt even change the list, same for the 9-11 comission , you know why?

Because they knew, people in géneral wouldnt dig for the truth, just like you and many others.
 

darkbeaver

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darkbeaver

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Come on, Toro you are supposed to be good with numbers, if they are part of the conspiracy, it wouldnt make everyone in the conspiracy, you don't need 300 millions of people to put up those non-professionel website, just couple peoples.

By the way , you told me a year ago( if i am not mistaken) that the american dollar will take over EURO sometimes near in the future, but when will it be?

He's got a few good oil jokes too Logic. hahahahahah:lol:
 

Pangloss

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Why are conspiracy theorists so unconvinced by eyewitness reports and broadly-based expert testimony and mountains of physical evidence; and yet latch on to uninformed conjecture about spooky cabals of bad men?

Not that there aren't bad folks out there, and certainly not to say they don't sometimes talk to each other; witness the Mafia.

But to conspire on something this big and this evil and this complicated? Some bureaucrat somewhere would have seen some memo and ran to 60 Minutes for a tell-all interview. Far simpler and reasonable to theorize that cells of terrorists, perhaps with some backdoor funding and support from a foreign government, organized this attack.

Are governments at home blameless? Hardly - there is plenty of evidence that Bush was repeatedly told about Bin Laden and his gang and the threat they posed - he chose to ignore it.

Pangloss
 

darkbeaver

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Keep yappin' Laddie.

The more you talk, the more obvious it becomes you belong in a psychiatric hospital.

Keep talking.
Hope you're feeling better Colpy, and I know the doctors have told you to loose wieght so put down that chocolate bar. Why couldn't you have had them increase the flow to your brain while you were under the knife. It's not obvious at all that our good friend Logic 7 belongs in a psychiatric hospital, as a matter of fact I think he's a shining example of Canadian citizenship that you would be well advised to pay attention to. He's not at all fooled by the nonesense that's destroyed your reason. Get some rest and loose some wieght, and stay out of that refridgerator.:smile:
 

Dexter Sinister

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...The cicumstantial evidence points directly to government involvment....

I don't expect conspiracy theorists will ever understand this properly, but that's precisely the point. Circumstantial evidence is all you've got, and in every case, without exception, it has been shown that your claims are either demonstrably false (like the one about towers 1 and 2 collapsing in the same way they would have in a controlled demolition; they did not), or they admit of much simpler explanations for which there is also much supporting evidence (like the one about the decision to "pull" Building 7). You (I mean conspiracy theorists in general, not you in particular) don't know how to assess evidence, don't know how to think clearly and critically, and don't know anything about all the various ways people fool themselves into believing things that aren't true. And just to forestall the obvious response, "And you do?" the answer is yes, I do.
 

Logic 7

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I don't expect conspiracy theorists will ever understand this properly, but that's precisely the point. Circumstantial evidence is all you've got, and in every case, without exception, it has been shown that your claims are either demonstrably false (like the one about towers 1 and 2 collapsing in the same way they would have in a controlled demolition; they did not), or they admit of much simpler explanations for which there is also much supporting evidence (like the one about the decision to "pull" Building 7). You (I mean conspiracy theorists in general, not you in particular) don't know how to assess evidence, don't know how to think clearly and critically, and don't know anything about all the various ways people fool themselves into believing things that aren't true. And just to forestall the obvious response, "And you do?" the answer is yes, I do.



Man i can' t just believe what you just wrote, you don't even know one single part of 9-11, but you still argue, you are 100% sure that wtc 1 and 2 werent controlled demolition, however they fall at free fall speed, which you can't even explain why, even though the official explanation is pancake theory, a pancake theory would have taken more than 45 sec to fall, not 9.4 sec.

Sadly guys liike us, who demands explanations, would have been killed in the dark ages, as witches.
 

Toro

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Well i can find it , if you want.....

Be my guest.

At some point in time, the American dollar will strengthen against the euro as currency valuations are a function of interest rate differentials, amongst other things. So when real interest rates in the United States are high relative to Europe, the dollar will strengthen.

But somehow, I don't think that's what you're getting at.
 
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Logic 7

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Or if you lived in Iran, North Korea, Cuba etc.......


Or in United states, you get fired , forced to resigned and being marginalized in the media, like Steven e Jones, and then pretend to be a democracy, quite laughable if you ask me.
 

I think not

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Or in United states, you get fired , forced to resigned and being marginalized in the media, like Steven e Jones, and then pretend to be a democracy, quite laughable if you ask me.

What's laughable are your perceptions, but then again you're French, so quite expected.