Except for Bin Laden's claim to have had the deed performed. Or perhaps you think that was GW in disguise shown in those vids:
9-11 Unmasking the Media Perps
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Kevin Ryan at 9/11: Revealing the Truth Part 2 of 2
Kevin Ryan is a former lab director at Environmental Health Laboratories, Inc. a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratory, Inc. the company that tested the strength of the steel columns in the World Trade Center in the 1960's. Ryan lost his job following a letter he wrote to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) challenging the official story that fires caused the collapse of the World Trade Centers North and South Towers and Building 7. In his talk, he covers the NIST report.
Ps:Please also note that questions are raised all around the world in universities and national regulating organizations regarding the methodology of NIST.
Some of the issues are regarding security standards and the credibility of this organization.
The only articles that i know about this subject are there ---> http://www.journalof911studies.com/
you should address these questions in this journal ("what discredits an investigation like the 9/11 report or the NIST study? " you will read it there, try Volume 2 - August 2006 "NIST Data Disproves Collapse Theories Based on Fire" by Frank Legge, Volume 6 - December 2006 "The NIST WTC Investigation--How Real Was The Simulation?" by Eric Douglas, R.A. )... they have a "letters" section if you want to send questions ....
1) The towers and WTC 7 are the only three steel-frame buildings ever to collapse from fire and the towers fell after burning for less than an hour each. All other steel frame buildings that have burned have not collapsed and have burned for hours and hours and hours at much higher temps without the catastrophic destruction present at ground zero.
You see that last paragraph Dex, you are a man of some faith. THE ONLY THREE STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS " EVER" "EVER" AND ON THE SAME DAY. yES IT'S TRUE SOME PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING NO MATTER HOW UNLIKELY THAT THING SEEMS TO BE.
Kevin Ryan is a former lab director at Environmental Health Laboratories, Inc. a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratory, Inc. the company that tested the strength of the steel columns in the World Trade Center in the 1960's. Ryan lost his job following a letter he wrote to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) challenging the official story that fires caused the collapse of the World Trade Centers North and South Towers and Building 7. In his talk, he covers the NIST report.
Ps:Please also note that questions are raised all around the world in universities and national regulating organizations regarding the methodology of NIST.
Some of the issues are regarding security standards and the credibility of this organization.
The only articles that i know about this subject are there ---> http://www.journalof911studies.com/
you should address these questions in this journal ("what discredits an investigation like the 9/11 report or the NIST study? " you will read it there, try Volume 2 - August 2006 "NIST Data Disproves Collapse Theories Based on Fire" by Frank Legge, Volume 6 - December 2006 "The NIST WTC Investigation--How Real Was The Simulation?" by Eric Douglas, R.A. )... they have a "letters" section if you want to send questions ....
1) The towers and WTC 7 are the only three steel-frame buildings ever to collapse from fire and the towers fell after burning for less than an hour each. All other steel frame buildings that have burned have not collapsed and have burned for hours and hours and hours at much higher temps without the catastrophic destruction present at ground zero.
You see that last paragraph Dex, you are a man of some faith. THE ONLY THREE STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS " EVER" "EVER" AND ON THE SAME DAY. yES IT'S TRUE SOME PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING NO MATTER HOW UNLIKELY THAT THING SEEMS TO BE.
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Ryan is dead right. Nothing wrong with the steel. (I'm a welder and also an ex-firefighter, I know about heat)
lol.
Oh, well.
Facts are facts, regardless. I can see planes disturbing the strength in a structure, though. You have to consider that several floors weighing several hundred tons travelling at a speed of at least a dozen feet per second can do a lotta damage to whatever it lands on. I can see buildings crumbling under that force.
My big question is about building 7: 2 blocks away from the towers and the towers shower enough debris to make 7 fall straight down in its own footprint? That doesn't work for me.
So like I said, I haven't seen a satisfactory hypothesis out of either the officials or the conspiracists.
I can't, not under any circumstances, if "if" the steel was soft as spagetti I still cannot see a near free fall speed, the math has been done Gil the accumulation of resistance of the chain reaction fall, what they've called pancakeing slows the decent it does not accellerate it, that alone convinces me that the official explanation is rot. I don't have to rely on my own brains in anyway, there are hundreds if not thousands of PHDs in a broad range of hard science who do not believe the official story, so I don't feel one bit uncomfortable in not believing the crap coming out of Washington, popular science for christ sake give me a break. No one should feel the least discomfort in questioning the official storys, not one bit. Peer pressure and fear of the mob can make people question thier own judgement and not inquire where inquiry is normal and natural.
You really think that's an accurate characterization of those two magazines? That's pretty much precisely the opposite of who they are and what they do.
No I don't really think that Dex, it looks like a good place to spend some time, as a matter of fact I've bookmarked the place and I'll use it. He's a good wordsmith and writes convinceingly but there is not one bit of proof for what we witnessed on that day, we can argue till we're blue in the face but argument does not trump the tape measure.
Griffin, a well-respected mainstream theologian who has written and edited 30 books, contends that the official 9/11 story has been given the "halo of religious mythology." Like the infallibility of the Pope in the Church or the primacy of matter in scientific materialism, questioning the official 9/11 story is taboo. Consequently, most people fail to see the red flags that are literally in plain sight:
√ The official story was in place within 48 hours of the event, before any investigation was undertaken.
√ The official "remedy," the so-called Patriot Act (a 342-page document that many legislators signed without reading), appeared as if by magic and was ratified in an atmosphere of panic -- right on the heels of Democratic legislators receiving packets of deadly anthrax, a crime that has never been "solved."
√ No satisfactory explanation has ever been given as to how and why the world's most sophisticated air defense system "stood down" in the most deadly attacks ever on American soil. And no one was held accountable.
√ Transcripts of testimony released at the insistence of 9/11 families -- from firefighters, police and eyewitnesses -- mention over and over again a "series of explosions" and the towers coming down in their tracks, "just like a planned demolition."
√ When there finally was an investigation, only testimony supporting the official version of the story was allowed. Imagine, if you will, a court case where there was no conflicting evidence ... case closed.
Time to Face Our Own Not-Seeism
The fact that these blatant contradictions have never been officially addressed stands as stark testimony as to how well weapons of mass-distraction have been used to keep the official story in place. Yes, the mass media has been complicit in failing to present an alternative view, and in marginalizing anyone suggesting otherwise as a "conspiracy nut." But it goes far deeper than that. The persistent "invisible belief" in America's intrinsic goodness makes it incomprehensible that the government in the "land of the free" would perpetrate something that horrendous against its own citizens. Like the Germans who heard about the death camps and were told it was "American propaganda," most Americans won't question the official story because the horrendous implications are too awful to contemplate. But the "Not See" era is about to end.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17557.htm
Failure to provide answers to any one of the five points made above would cast resonable doubt on a prosecutors case, failure in all five clearly points to conspiracy, no one objectivly reserching the 9/11 question can fail to see the ocean of obfuscation and contempt for proper investigation, proceedure and credentials, the whole mess reeks of motive and oportunity and crime on an unprecedented scale. As I'v indicated previously nobody asking serious questions about 9/11 deserves the least bit of ridicule or scorn.
I feel entirely comfortable being a skeptic.
Then why did you so clearly appear to say that you do? I read your post to mean that you think the people who run and contribute to Skeptic and Skeptical Inquirer are "new age gurus and flakes selling half baked self-help manuals." Vol. 12 No. 4 of Skeptic (it's a quarterly, that's the last issue of 2006) contains a thorough, reasonable, and entirely credible debunking of 9/11 conspiracy claims, and so does the September/October 2002 issue of Skeptical Inquirer. I have them in front of me on my desk right now, and I re-read those articles before making this post. There is simply no good evidence any agency of the U.S. government had anything to do with 9/11, and it strains credibility to think that the same 'idiot retards,' in Logic 7's phrase, who were so easily shown to be incompetent liars on the matter of WMDs in Iraq used to justify the original invasion, could pull off a conspiracy and coverup on the scale necessary for the U.S. government to have orchestrated 9/11. I'd immediately agree we don't have all the answers on 9/11 yet, but to think the U.S. government did that to itself is just not believable on the evidence.
You like Chomsky, don't you beav?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGd0t8v-d4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM&mode=related&search=
I just took the first thing i ve found and debunked, in less than 20 sec....
This is total bullstrawberrry crap, first of all according to fema, the tempeture never reach 1500, secondly nowhere in the official story and your link, explain how much time it need to burn at 1500 to weakened the steel, very nice try though.
That is also completly bullstrawberry crap, because accoriding to NIST report and fema report, THERE WAS NO FIREFIGHTER IN THE BUILDING SINCE 11H30 IN THE MORNING.
you should ask yourself, what are the motive of those who put this web site, sseriously.
It took even less time to debunk this one, the first link is 9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide, which doesnt even talk about (again) about how much time it would need to burn to weakened the steel, doesnt even mention Larry sylverstein comment on "AMERICA REBUILDS", the rest of the link, doesnt even mention who they are, always refering to loose change second edition viewer guide pretty dumb , if you ask me.
The 9-11 comission is to me, a very funny book, they could have talk about why flowers could produce chocolate, and it would have been more relevent to 9-11 than the 9-11 comission report itself..
Read it, and have fun.
Come on, Toro you are supposed to be good with numbers, if they are part of the conspiracy, it wouldnt make everyone in the conspiracy, you don't need 300 millions of people to put up those non-professionel website, just couple peoples.
By the way , you told me a year ago( if i am not mistaken) that the american dollar will take over EURO sometimes near in the future, but when will it be?
Oh, good. More childish yelling. Why bother discussing anything with a person of this level of maturity, Dex?
Al Queda elements being protected by the Taliban government flew planes into Soviet Buildings in the late 70's? I must have missed that.
There is no question that the US Government runs locomotives through trailer parks during tornado season.
Isn't it funny that the US leads the world in tornados? Ha! What a lie!
The US Govt has been destroying houses and especially trailer parks with trains since they built the rail roads.