Our Glorious Afghan Mission

[mabudon]

I always find it curious how the people we put in harms way are alway the ones who want to be there the most. I guess they understand it better than most Canadians.

I always thought that the way the military works, you are supposed to be "reformed" and get a whole new identity and way of thinking, thus effectively being "brainwashed" into losing your individuality

I would expect folks who are willing to succumb to such a process would believe a few things "just because". I don't find it funny tho, I find it totally predictable.

Tobacco companies are usually the ones who fund anti-anti-smoking campaigns and lobbies too- does that surprise you, or strike you as funny??? Occams razor works good on that kind of logic "puzzle"

 

[talloola]

I think it started well before 9/11, but that's just IMO.

It's very difficult to try to link up everything over the years. Bin Laden was responsible for the 911
attack, and retaliation, was for that attack, so in my thoughts that was the answer to the 911 attack.
Bin Laden isn't part of any country, he is a free agent who has his own agenda, not connected to any
'state' government'.
In my thought process, I will not give him the credability of some sort of good reason for doing the
dirty deed of 911. He wasn't given the OK from any head of state in the world.

 

[RUEZ]

I always thought that the way the military works, you are supposed to be "reformed" and get a whole new identity and way of thinking, thus effectively being "brainwashed" into losing your individuality

I would expect folks who are willing to succumb to such a process would believe a few things "just because". I don't find it funny tho, I find it totally predictable.

Tobacco companies are usually the ones who fund anti-anti-smoking campaigns and lobbies too- does that surprise you, or strike you as funny??? Occams razor works good on that kind of logic "puzzle"

I have military members in my family. They don't appear to be brainwashed to me. None of this is "funny".

 

[RUEZ]

He wasn't given the OK from any head of state in the world.

The Taliban allowed him to live and train in Afghanistan, and then protected him after the fact.

 

[Zzarchov]

Im no Harper fan.. But Juan.. The PM has no real say into the day-to-day Operations of the military, and he hasn't done anything like slash their budget.

Its really not his call how the war is waged, just that its going on or not (even then its Parliments decision, not his)

 

[darkbeaver]

Afghanistan represents three things to the war machine, a pipeline corridor from the Caspian sea, a base of operation for the oil protection forces,and active denial of China in the region.Canadian involvement has nothing at all to do with reconstruction or democratization, and everything to do with the consolodation of facsist rule by the corporate elite. Our soldiers die in the service of facsism and will continue to die in ever increasing numbers.

 

[BitWhys]

...even then its Parliments decision, not his...

nope

order in council

its a cabinet decision

 

[BitWhys]

What?

hmph

you have to ask...

"What the government will do, if we do not get a clear mandate, the clear will of Parliament to extend for two years and beyond, is proceed cautiously with a one year extension." Steve Harper - May 17, 2006

 

[darkbeaver]

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Annals of Liberation: Bush "Terror War" Gives Taliban Big Boost[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]April 7, 2007

George W. Bush's "War on Terror" marked a new milestone this week, as a poll in Afghanistan's key Helmland region showed that the dread and draconian Taliban are now more popular than the American-led foreign occupation of the country – more than five years after the Islamic extremist group was ousted from power by a group of warlords, drug barons, oilmen and, er, Islamic extremist groups when the Bush gang took sides in the nation's long-running, hydra-headed civil war.

The Independent reports that a new study in the region shows that support for the Taliban is growing even among moderates who were once glad to see the back of the primitive fundamentalists. Crime

and violence are now running rampant under the satrapy set up by the primitive fundamentalists back in Washington, making the lives of locals a living hell – the identical outcome of all of Bush's Terror War "regime change" operations, in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia.

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]We want the Taliban back, say ordinary Afghans (The Independent)
Excerpts: Faiz Mohammed Karigar, a father of two, fled Kandahar when the Taliban held power in Afghanistan because he was against their restrictions on education. Now he wants the fundamentalists back. "When the Taliban were here, I escaped to the border with Iran, but I was never worried about my family," he said. "Every single minute of the last three years I have been very worried. Maybe tonight the Americans will come to my house, molest my wife and children and arrest me."

...The failure of Nato forces to deliver security and development and rising civilian casualties inflicted by Western forces in clashes with the Taliban have led to a loss of support in Kandahar. "How can we forgive the Americans?" asked Mr Karigar, who like most people here does not distinguish among the different elements in Nato. "I will fight them any way I can."

...Political and criminal violence has spread fear among the population, and most try to avoid going out after dark, when the only sounds are the helicopters flying overhead and the odd burst of gunfire in the streets. Suicide attacks are common, and on several occasions in recent months nervous Nato troops have shot civilians they mistakenly believed were about to blow themselves up.

Whatever the cause of the bloodshed, the local population almost always blames the foreign soldiers in their midst. Even moderate Afghans are openly declaring they will join the insurgency.."I think life under the Taliban was very good," said Maria Farah, a mother of five. "If we did not have a full stomach, we could at least get some food and go to sleep, and if we went out somewhere there were no problems. How about now? If we go out, we don't know if we will arrive home or not. If there is an explosion and the Americans are passing, they will just open fire on everyone. The security problems are too much here."

...a recent poll of several thousand men in Kandahar and Helmand by the Senlis Council, a Brussels-based thinktank, found that Taliban support among civilians had jumped to nearly 27 per cent. Only 19 per cent in the two provinces felt that international troops were helping them personally.

In southern Afghanistan, said the report, people "are increasingly prepared to admit their support for the Taliban, and the belief that the government and the international community will not be able to defeat the Taliban is widespread". In the Panjwayi district west of Kandahar city, which saw heavy fighting last year, Mawlawi Abdul Hadid said 18 members of his family died in an air strike last May against suspected insurgents. "In the beginning you had only one enemy. Then you made two, then three, and now I also stand against you," he declared.
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[talloola]

The Taliban allowed him to live and train in Afghanistan, and then protected him after the fact.

That's right, but the Taliban were not the head of state, they are/were a violent group of medieval
intruders of the afghanistan people, who were brutalizing them and killing their heads of households,
and also treat the women like slaves.

 

[BitWhys]

...but the Taliban were not the head of state...

oh bull****

they were cutting drug control deals with the UN. and afa protecting bin Laden goes they were well within their rights to demand evidence before consenting to extradition.

 

[talloola]

oh bull****

they were cutting drug control deals with the UN. and afa protecting bin Laden goes they were well within their rights to demand evidence before consenting to extradition.

Oh bull, bull ****, they were not head of state, they bullied themselves into the appearance of having
some kind of authority, but they, in reality did not.

 

[BitWhys]

well they sure had the UN fooled, then. kinda puts the whole UN/NATO mandate in an interesting light.

 

[L Gilbert]

Seems to me that the Iranian top Imam isn't the head of gov't there, but sure holds the power of the last word. I was under the impression that the Taliban were much in the same position.

 

[BitWhys]

heh

it isn't called the Supreme Council for nothing.

 

[RUEZ]

Oh bull, bull ****, they were not head of state, they bullied themselves into the appearance of having
some kind of authority, but they, in reality did not.

Ok I'll bite. Who was head of state?

 

[BitWhys]

Ok I'll bite. Who was head of state?

they tried nominating a series of goats but the cavalry kept on playing polo with their carcasses so they gave up on that and put Allah in charge.

didn't turn out too well

 

[L Gilbert]

Hmmm. Iran says its head of gov't is the president and the head of state is the Imam. Crap. Now I have to see what the diff is.

 

[BitWhys]

Ayatollah holds operational veto via the Supreme Council. Supreme Council is a self-perpetuating appointment system.

 

[RUEZ]

Hmmm. Iran says its head of gov't is the president and the head of state is the Imam. Crap. Now I have to see what the diff is.

It's semantics, we know that the Taliban was in control of Afghanistan. When the Americans asked for Bin Laden they asked the Taliban who then refused.