Technical question on WTC collapse

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so as ITN mentioned he left the company in 2000, what happened for the rest of the time? and if he was in on it, did he do all the work himself? or did he pay hundreds of other guys, all of whom were perfect at keeping secrets?

and as eaglesmack said, how did the planes manage to hit without damaging any of the explosive devices or ignition systems?

Ask questions his brain can process without having to reference Leftist Conspiracy drivel.
 

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You could go on and on, and probably will, but the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, and you and these sources are grasping at straws simply because you cannot believe what happened, makes you laughable.

I don't care what videos and crap sources you post; I've taken enough structural engineering courses to have a pretty damn good idea what would happen if you flew a jet plane into a building. I watched the damn thing live on TV, and said, "that's going to fall down soon, there's no way that's going to survive".

I was right. You're wrong. Get used to it.

That is all.

So be it tenpenny, you have the right to your own belief. You use your power of observation, as deductive reasoning, then use generalizations to arrive at specifics.

Your statement above "simply because you cannot believe what happened", I perfer a dialectic to think and reason not believe.

Your last line is priceless "I was right. You're wrong." You're right ... it's all about you isn't it. :cool:
 
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Extreme right wing conspiracy theorists are they crazyer than the extreme left wing conspiracy theorists? I don't know. We should ask the RCMP to investigate, they know a lot about conspiracys.:lol:
 

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so as ITN mentioned he left the company in 2000, what happened for the rest of the time? and if he was in on it, did he do all the work himself? or did he pay hundreds of other guys, all of whom were perfect at keeping secrets?

and as eaglesmack said, how did the planes manage to hit without damaging any of the explosive devices or ignition systems?

Lets leave the coincidental anomolous destruction of the buildings aside for the time being, I admit that the planes struck two out of three. How did they go unintercepted for over an hour in the worlds most secure airspace?:lol:
 

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as i said before it seems unlikely they'd be shot down by fighter planes since they were over inhabited land and carrying civilian passengers. Also it's unlikely the security people knew what was intended, and were running on the assumption the hijackers just wanted to be taken somewhere else.

This is just guesswork, I admit, but it seems to me if there were passenger planes hijacked and I was security i wouldn't say "OK they're obviously gonna fly into some buildings so we'd better shoot them down and hope they dont land on anyone"
 

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as i said before it seems unlikely they'd be shot down by fighter planes since they were over inhabited land and carrying civilian passengers. Also it's unlikely the security people knew what was intended, and were running on the assumption the hijackers just wanted to be taken somewhere else.

This is just guesswork, I admit, but it seems to me if there were passenger planes hijacked and I was security i wouldn't say "OK they're obviously gonna fly into some buildings so we'd better shoot them down and hope they dont land on anyone"

I don't think that's a very satifying answer Herm. Certainly there would have been hesitation to shoot down passenger planes but as the official investigation points out the intercepters did not intercept, did not persue, and ultimately did not interfere with the passage of the aircraft in any way. Why does the official conspiracy theory have so many easily satisfied adherants? Forgive me I'm just a slow thinking forest aquatic animal and I can't understand how nomadic terrorists could overcome a dozen levels of the most sophisticated national security aparatus on the planet, especially when I see they did it four times on the same day while extensive air security exercises were being conducted on the very same day in the very same airspace, I'm just to stupid to get it all straight in my little head.:lol:
 

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You know, I don't think air travel was all that secure before 9/11, even since. I have a cousin who made it across the Atlantic with a pocket knife in his carry-on, that was two years ago.

I don't really know anything about the air traffic control on 9/11, except that soon after all traffic was grounded. There was before 9/11 no reason to believe that an offcourse airliner was going to crash into a building. Shoot first ask questions later doesn't cut it. There were no demands made by the terrorists were there?
 

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Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down


On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." [WingTV]

This PROVES that my story is actual FACT. These CIA guys needed only FIVE days to place all of the charges in the three building.

They started in 1993! HA! How silly. The CIA and NWO Agents didn't need eight years. All they needed was five days. Those engineers were really CIA Construction Workers who knew everything from painting, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, framing, studding, sprinker fitting, plastering, steel work, tiling, carpentry, glass fitting as well as demolitions experts on imploding buildings. And because of the power down that weekend the CIA used portable generators, silent generators to power the silent drills, silent band saws, and every silent tool used to take apart and rebuild offices, bathrooms, and corridors in a matter of hours.

Everyone knows that it takes months to implode a building and before you implode a building the building must be completely gutted and all supporting beams exposed. All key beams must be drilled and charges must be inserted and connected by detonation cord. But those are the amateurs. These CIA guys were hand picked, hundreds of them. Everyone of them agreed to the mission and not a word of decension was spoken.

And the pilots and hijackers? Hand chosen... each one. Each one was willing to die for the NWO and Bush. Not a one had a family so no one would know if they were gone after they completed the mission. Not just immediate family... extended families. They were known to no one. Lost souls dedicated to the NWO. They all agreed that as Americans it is an honor to die for Bush and the NWO.

Of the thousands of people involved. CIA, FBI, Military, Politicians, FAA, Port Authority, construction workers... each one was dedicated to bring those towers down and not one breathed a word of it to anyone.
 

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You know, I don't think air travel was all that secure before 9/11, even since. I have a cousin who made it across the Atlantic with a pocket knife in his carry-on, that was two years ago.

I don't really know anything about the air traffic control on 9/11, except that soon after all traffic was grounded. There was before 9/11 no reason to believe that an offcourse airliner was going to crash into a building. Shoot first ask questions later doesn't cut it. There were no demands made by the terrorists were there?

While there would be no way to determine any potential target in the case of an off course airliner or even if there was a target at all there would be every reason to find and track that same aircraft and quadruple those reasons in the case of four simultaneous wandering airliners.Four filed flightplans were not followed for over an hour in heavily restricted airspace.

Air Defense & Wargames



There are standard procedures for dealing with off-course or out-of-contact aircraft. But for some reason, on September 11, our multi-trillion dollar defense and intelligence infrastructure completely failed.
This failure spanned over an hour and a half, from the time the attack started until Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania. No one has been held accountable.
The FAA, NORAD, and the command structure (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) have all given conflicting timelines or accounts of the events of that day.
As confirmed by the military and mainstream media, there were several military exercises taking place on the morning of September 11, with names like “Vigilant Guardian,” “Northern Vigilance,” and “Global Guardian.”
These wargames diverted fighter jets from the Northeast and even included mock-hijackings and a drill of a plane crashing into a goverment building! The “coincidental” nature of these wargames is highly suspicious. Incidentally, Dick Cheney had simultaneous command authority that day over the military response to the attack, and all training exercises.
The crux of the air defense issue is that the government’s position that they were “surprised” or “unprepared” for such attacks simply doesn’t hold up. There are very standardized, well-rehearsed plans for domestic air defense—dealing with hijackings, missile attacks, or any other threat from the sky. Pilots and jets are on stand-by at bases throughout the country to deal with just such emergencies.
The issues of air defense and wargames can be quite complicated, with an overwhelming number of details of procedure and chronology. We’ve tried to keep it simple here, but really understanding these issues requires a bit of research. If you wish to follow this story further, just check out the Resources section.
There are standard procedures for dealing with off-course or out-of-contact aircraft. But for some reason, on September 11, our multi-trillion dollar defense and intelligence infrastructure completely failed.
This failure spanned over an hour and a half, from the time the attack started until Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania. No one has been held accountable.
The FAA, NORAD, and the command structure (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.) have all given conflicting timelines or accounts of the events of that day.
As confirmed by the military and mainstream media, there were several military exercises taking place on the morning of September 11, with names like “Vigilant Guardian,” “Northern Vigilance,” and “Global Guardian.”
These wargames diverted fighter jets from the Northeast and even included mock-hijackings and a drill of a plane crashing into a goverment building! The “coincidental” nature of these wargames is highly suspicious. Incidentally, Dick Cheney had simultaneous command authority that day over the military response to the attack, and all training exercises.
http://truthmove.org/content/air-defence-wargames/
 

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I don't think that's a very satifying answer Herm. Certainly there would have been hesitation to shoot down passenger planes but as the official investigation points out the intercepters did not intercept, did not persue, and ultimately did not interfere with the passage of the aircraft in any way. Why does the official conspiracy theory have so many easily satisfied adherants? Forgive me I'm just a slow thinking forest aquatic animal and I can't understand how nomadic terrorists could overcome a dozen levels of the most sophisticated national security aparatus on the planet, especially when I see they did it four times on the same day while extensive air security exercises were being conducted on the very same day in the very same airspace, I'm just to stupid to get it all straight in my little head.:lol:

Exactly! The reason is simple. NORAD and the FAA were also involved. Why would they waste all that time setting charges if they knew NORAD and the FAA had the potential of shooting the CIA Hijacked planes. They got high ranking officers of NORAD and FAA Officials in on the plan to lower security that morning so the CIA Agents posing as Arab Nomads could get the planes to their destinations. Not one of them told the truth and are all complicit in this conspiracy so that GW and the NWO could go to war with other innocent nomadic Arabs. The air excercises were actually cover for the jet liners in case some hot shot hero that wasn't "in the know" tried to take out an airliner.

So hundreds and hundreds, perhaps thousands knew about this and each and every one of them has kept quiet about all of this.

You're not stupid DB. You are brilliant! You posts are filled with unbiased facts and clear observations. Hundreds of Americans orchrestrated 9/11 to go to war with the Taliban Govt and Iraq so we could get all of the oil.
 

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You're not stupid DB. You are brilliant! You posts are filled with unbiased facts and clear observations. Hundreds of Americans orchrestrated 9/11 to go to war with the Taliban Govt and Iraq so we could get all of the oil.

Very good. What is even stranger, is that 6 or 7 of the hijackers seemed to have survived the crashes.;-)
 

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Given the number of miracles that occured on the holy day I don't consider the survival of the alleged hijackers at all strange. There's obviously something at work here that we don't understand.
I 'am afraid we're still faced with a choice between two competeing conspiracy theory schools here,
one made up of fine free inquiring minds thinking about the anomolies involved in the episode and the other completely brain dead group of followers of junk science inspired by a government administration staffed by universally recognized liars and thieves. I'm having a hard time picking a side.:smile:
 

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Very good. What is even stranger, is that 6 or 7 of the hijackers seemed to have survived the crashes.;-)

Absolutley! That even proves my point that it was CIA Agents willing to die for GW and the NWO. Muslims would NEVER do such a thing! The poor nomads were just set up.


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http://www.911myths.com/html/still_alive.html


The above link is some right wing whacko trying to shoot holes in that well documented <cough> story by the BBC. He uses photos, videos, legal documents, etc. As if real evidence and facts counts on this topic! HA!This guy is probably a CIA Agent that was involved.
 

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There's no evidence in this thread either that would support the official government conspiracy story, some backyard experiments by a crazy forest dwelling animal and some entertainment from the acolytes of improbability but no real hard facts other than the buildings were hit by airplanes and melted and the other building was so lonely it fell down too.ha:smile:
What the hell would you know about steel and the effects of impact and/or heat on it?

Aaaah, your mom eats morning wood.