Of course there is a middle ground. What a preposterous statement that is West! Agnosticism, for example, is a middle ground that many have chosen to adopt.
" I am born again", are you?
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Of course there is a middle ground. What a preposterous statement that is West! Agnosticism, for example, is a middle ground that many have chosen to adopt.
Ah haa, I knew there was something wrong, that's why I suggested you get "some" sleep, you sounded
very tired and irritated, "you just didn't sound like "you".
Heaven is "what" you want it to be. I don't need "big" happenings, to make me happy, never have, so heaven for
me is what I make out of my life "right here on earth.
I believe if you are expecting to find some sort of heaven after you die, you will be very dissapointed,
(well, not really, cause you'll be dead).
Your heaven is right under your noses, create it for yourselves, and
also, call it whatever you want, just do it.
me is what I make out of my life "right here on earth.
I believe if you are expecting to find some sort of heaven after you die, you will be very dissapointed,
(well, not really, cause you'll be dead).
Your heaven is right under your noses, create it for yourselves, and
also, call it whatever you want, just do it.
Hhahahahh do you forget when you get into the whiskey Dex hahahahahah, if you change the password then both versions of you will have one hahahaha:lol:
Well, no harm done this time, or I don't think so. There are ways to trap fakers, but there are three machines in my house behind a router and firewall so they all show the same address to the outside world. Andem's confirmed that they all came from my house, from one or more machines here, but there's no technological way to trap somebody logged in as me at one of them. I've since changed my password and removed the auto login setup. A salutary lesson: you think you can trust people, but who knows what they'll get up to after a couple of drinks.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I believe there was some merit in the opinions expressed, but I certainly would have phrased them more diplomatically.
And no beave, I wasn't into the whiskey last night. The host at my house stays sober.
But we're hijacking this thread. Carry on...
Hell, I thought was was harsh for you.
That's why I addressed your post.
Usually I just agree and move on, lol.
I understood you correct. I understood you as saying not a spiritual event. So I responded to you on those terms.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Born again is an interesting concept developed by the radical Jesus freaks that just want to convert prospective Christians to their beliefs to be more specific they want their money to do the Lords work or so they say.
There are hundreds of Christians churches in North America and they have a different definition of Jesus but God only had one son that died on the cross for us.
The Christians say the same words if you don’t believe in our Jesus and pay our tithes then you are dammed.
So if anybody who professes to be Born Again he or she is one step closer to hell.
Christianity was supposed to guarantee us peace on earth and good will to our brothers and sisters but because of the power and money grab by the different Christian religions including born again sects the true meaning has been lost and Christians are fighting other Christians for their religious supremacy.
I firmly believe that when Jesus returns he will try to save the Jews again because his so called people the Christians never got it and they never will.
Well, liberalman, born again is not a concept but a real thing. To really understand what that is, it has to either be accepted on faith or get educated on it in order to believe it.
Well, they all know He died but many don’t know the significance of it.
en you are dammed. >>>Liberalman
They say that: yes, and if they really understood why, then they would not be so easy to condemn.
I was there, I know.
Well, you might have a point there in that you may not know how true that is. To be born again is to be more aware of sin around us, thus making it harder to shed the lustful desires of the flesh.
Christianity can be any belief under that name, but a true Christian is one who possesses the will to be at peace with his or her brothers due to the regeneration, the new creature in Christ.
Human nature being what it is, chooses to do what human nature wants instead of what Christ wants. Therefore, we have fallacies in all churches.
Well, I will give you the first part of that sentence as correct, and the second part as incorrect.
Here are the reasons why: 1st to the Jews it was given to declare to the world the laws of God (Ten Commandments) and be the vehicle by which the Son of God was to make His presentation to the world as Savior of the world.
But, the problem was that God wanted both Jews and Gentiles and would have none to be dammed forever.
So in short, God caused the Jews to reject Jesus, so that they could offer Him for a sacrifice for the world.
So now you have neither Jew nor gentile but one in Jesus. The Gentiles have no problem accepting Jesus as the promised Messiah, and the Jews as yet have not.
But the time will come when they shall it Him and become converted, or born again as well.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
What allot of us don't know is the why are we in the flesh!
Many think that the flesh is all there is in life. That after being born once, is all there is to it.
But if after reading an account of the creation, subsequent stories and human actions describing the creators goals in the whole matter, we can come to an understanding of what has really transpired in the creation of mankind.
Everyone existing on this earth is born once to our former parents and are of the sons of mankind.
Therefore we exist solely for ourselves to the pleasure of ourselves. This of course is enmity to the creator. Thus, the creator would not and will not have none of it.
But, please understand that He didn’t do it with out proper cause.
For you and I to exist as gods, (meaning knowing good and evil and having a choice), we had to be born of the flesh.
This then automatically caused a separation (Death of the soul) upon gaining knowledge. Meaning: eating of the fruit of knowledge. (Tree)
This separation, called spiritual death, is what Christ came to reverse. To: create a situation by where this gap between heaven and earth could be bridged.
Bridging the gap to an already condemned humanity is the good news. It is called born of God, or born again of God: But spiritually.
That is why many Christians cannot understand this already condemned terminology, and therefore render it as meaning that unless one comes to Christ, one would be condemned to hell.
If we could understand that we are all already condemned, then we could seek a way of salvation.
So it can be said, if one doesn’t believe in Jesus, one is condemned already. Meaning, that one has not yet become alive with life from God, or better said, born again from God.
If this is not quite clear to you, ask me where you need to understand something about it.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Many think that the flesh is all there is in life. That after being born once, is all there is to it.
But if after reading an account of the creation, subsequent stories and human actions describing the creators goals in the whole matter, we can come to an understanding of what has really transpired in the creation of mankind.
Everyone existing on this earth is born once to our former parents and are of the sons of mankind.
Therefore we exist solely for ourselves to the pleasure of ourselves. This of course is enmity to the creator. Thus, the creator would not and will not have none of it.
But, please understand that He didn’t do it with out proper cause.
For you and I to exist as gods, (meaning knowing good and evil and having a choice), we had to be born of the flesh.
This then automatically caused a separation (Death of the soul) upon gaining knowledge. Meaning: eating of the fruit of knowledge. (Tree)
This separation, called spiritual death, is what Christ came to reverse. To: create a situation by where this gap between heaven and earth could be bridged.
Bridging the gap to an already condemned humanity is the good news. It is called born of God, or born again of God: But spiritually.
That is why many Christians cannot understand this already condemned terminology, and therefore render it as meaning that unless one comes to Christ, one would be condemned to hell.
If we could understand that we are all already condemned, then we could seek a way of salvation.
So it can be said, if one doesn’t believe in Jesus, one is condemned already. Meaning, that one has not yet become alive with life from God, or better said, born again from God.
If this is not quite clear to you, ask me where you need to understand something about it.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
darkbeaver....
You're in heaven now China, this is the fabled garden and the dreaded hell. Your glass must always be half empty and half full, that is balance, without the one you would not know the other.Without light there is no shadow, without wisdom no ignorance, no small no great.
What you are describing is duality and where there are opposites, there must be the consciousness of incompleteness. The mind is caught up in opposites, such as punishment and reward, good and bad, past and future, gain and loss. Thought is caught up in this duality, and therefore there is incompleteness in action. This incompleteness creates suffering, the conflict of choice, effort and authority, and the escape from the unessential to the essential.Is this forum your escape from that "which is" , darkbeaver?
You're in heaven now China, this is the fabled garden and the dreaded hell. Your glass must always be half empty and half full, that is balance, without the one you would not know the other.Without light there is no shadow, without wisdom no ignorance, no small no great.
What you are describing is duality and where there are opposites, there must be the consciousness of incompleteness. The mind is caught up in opposites, such as punishment and reward, good and bad, past and future, gain and loss. Thought is caught up in this duality, and therefore there is incompleteness in action. This incompleteness creates suffering, the conflict of choice, effort and authority, and the escape from the unessential to the essential.Is this forum your escape from that "which is" , darkbeaver?
_________________________________________________________________ Yeap , and that's one of the reasons that I don't live in Canada.
tamarin
China, you are taking bigger steps on the road to self-awareness. Keep your head high, walk on!
And what about you ,tamarin
China, you are taking bigger steps on the road to self-awareness. Keep your head high, walk on!
And what about you ,tamarin
darkbeaver....
You're in heaven now China, this is the fabled garden and the dreaded hell. Your glass must always be half empty and half full, that is balance, without the one you would not know the other.Without light there is no shadow, without wisdom no ignorance, no small no great.
What you are describing is duality and where there are opposites, there must be the consciousness of incompleteness. The mind is caught up in opposites, such as punishment and reward, good and bad, past and future, gain and loss. Thought is caught up in this duality, and therefore there is incompleteness in action. This incompleteness creates suffering, the conflict of choice, effort and authority, and the escape from the unessential to the essential.Is this forum your escape from that "which is" , darkbeaver?
There is no escape, not even in death.:smile: