" I am born again", are you?

[snfu73]

Yes, that is enough for this existence of the flesh. But still, you need to be born again from God to exist in the heavenly realm of membership in His church.

But, that comes after one has given oneself to believing in Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

What that would do for you, is change you from the inside out, to where your life will have LIFE.

Living breathing LIFE, which this world can not touch, but the heavenly can.

It doesn't matter if you abandoned God many years ago, I mean, what is time to God?

If you could live to be 1 million years old, He'd wait for you.

His love is so great, that there is absolutely nothing you can do cause Him to reject you to a none existent state.

How about that? I'd bet you, you will never hear that from any church: but only from Jesus Himself!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

But I feel that I do have life. I think I have a very full life. Life is a challenge, there is no doubt, but I do still feel that I have a very full, rich, interesting life going here.

I am not athiest...I am agnostic...I don't know what to believe. I lean towards not believing...but, I just don't know. But I have no interest in pursuing any sort of "relationship" with christ or god or anything like that. It just doesn't...make sense to me, ya know?

 

[darkbeaver]

s243a
[FONT=&quot]I find it hard to believe that only people that are “saved” will go to heaven._____________________[/FONT]

I dont think there is any heaven; obviously man has invented heaven out of hope, for his life has become a living hell, an endless conflict from birth to death, coming and going, making money, working endlessly. This life has become a turmoil, a travail of endless striving. One wonders if man, a human being, will ever live on this earth peacefully. Conflicts have been the way of our lifes - within the skin and outside the skin, in the area of the psyche and in the society which that psyche has created.
Can anyone describe heaven , what's heaven?

You're in heaven now China, this is the fabled garden and the dreaded hell. Your glass must always be half empty and half full, that is balance, without the one you would not know the other.Without light there is no shadow, without wisdom no ignorance, no small no great. :-|

 

[look3467]

Dex, snowles...

Like it says in my signature,

At some point in time all men come to a realization, if they truly are growing, at this point they are being reborn.

It need not be the trademark of the Christian faith.

It can be as personal and as meaningful as necessary for the individual that has the realization.

My personal rebirth, was not borne of the Spirit of Jesus entering me, it was when I came to the self realization that I was on the wrong path. I chose to change direction.

This did not involve Christ or any other religious mechanization, it was a personally spiritual choice, my spirit.

In your case Dex, I am sure you have reached points in your life where you realized the direction you were going, would not lead you to the desired place. So you switched lanes and re-evaluated the course of action. No?

Is that not an action taken by a scientist?

Perhaps as either of you were growing up, you decided that your style, your actions, your way of doing things, wasn't getting you the desired effects. So you modified yourself to suit the needs of your feelings or thoughts. It may have been subconscious and taken sometime to come to froition or an overt act of self realization and instant change.

Could that not be seen as a being "reborn"?

You have a good point there CDNBear! If a person comes to terms with his or hers relationship with the devine, that being whatever term one wants to use for it, and has a life changing experience to that of harming no one, hating no one and forgiving incessantly, then, that is evidence of being born again.

But, understand, that the real person who instigated this born again issue was Jesus. His words.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

No where else can you find that statment as coming from a true and proven source. And you can experience it yourself.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

But I feel that I do have life. I think I have a very full life. Life is a challenge, there is no doubt, but I do still feel that I have a very full, rich, interesting life going here.

I am not athiest...I am agnostic...I don't know what to believe. I lean towards not believing...but, I just don't know. But I have no interest in pursuing any sort of "relationship" with Christ or god or anything like that. It just doesn't...make sense to me, ya know?

My advice, is remain as you are. You seem to be content with how and what you are. But, if you should desire an encounter with God, than all you have to do is, just ask Him.

There is no forcing anyone here to do something they don't desire.

Wait and He will work to your benefit.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Yes I do. I think you're all seriously deluded, I see no reason not to say so, and I can argue the case pretty well. If this were in the Christian Discussion forum I wouldn't have made that comment, I have no interest in what's in there anymore, but in a more general Faith Discussion forum, I view it as fair game. You want a Christian forum where you can all congratulate and support each other in your righteousness, take it somewhere else.

I support your views on this Dexter.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I am.

You are? What is the evidence? Give us your testimony if you will.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[darkbeaver]

s243a
[FONT=&quot]I find it hard to believe that only people that are “saved” will go to heaven._____________________[/FONT]

I dont think there is any heaven; obviously man has invented heaven out of hope, for his life has become a living hell, an endless conflict from birth to death, coming and going, making money, working endlessly. This life has become a turmoil, a travail of endless striving. One wonders if man, a human being, will ever live on this earth peacefully. Conflicts have been the way of our lifes - within the skin and outside the skin, in the area of the psyche and in the society which that psyche has created.
Can anyone describe heaven , what's heaven?

You're in heaven now China, this is the fabled garden and the dreaded hell. Your glass must always be half empty and half full, that is balance, without the one you would not know the other.Without light there is no shadow, without wisdom no ignorance, no small no great. :-|

 

[look3467]

s243a
[FONT=&quot]I find it hard to believe that only people that are “saved” will go to heaven._____________________[/FONT]

I dont think there is any heaven; obviously man has invented heaven out of hope, for his life has become a living hell, an endless conflict from birth to death, coming and going, making money, working endlessly. This life has become a turmoil, a travail of endless striving. One wonders if man, a human being, will ever live on this earth peacefully. Conflicts have been the way of our lifes - within the skin and outside the skin, in the area of the psyche and in the society which that psyche has created.
Can anyone describe heaven , what's heaven?

China, I am reserving my comments for a little later on on this reply of yours.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

when you say born again are you talking about baptism?

Baptism we are in right now. This world is inundated us with all it's glorious pleasures, desires and pain.

But, Jesus has also being baptized with the same as we, and again because He took the stigma of death from us.

His bapism was two fold, flesh and spirit of God.

Into the world as flesh, and from the Spirit of God, to take away the sin that caused the separation in the first place (Flesh) and gave us an entrance into the kingdom of God: whether we realize it or not.

But if we do, then LIFE has more meaning, then just life. For then, you become an alien (Not of this world but of the next) of the heavenly world.

Baptism by water simply signifies ones acceptance of our new found salvation and wishes to demonstrate it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[CDNBear]

You have a good point there CDNBear! If a person comes to terms with his or hers relationship with the devine, that being whatever term one wants to use for it, and has a life changing experience to that of harming no one, hating no one and forgiving incessantly, then, that is evidence of being born again.

But, understand, that the real person who instigated this born again issue was Jesus. His words.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

No where else can you find that statment as coming from a true and proven source. And you can experience it yourself.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

But you assumed I was referring to a religous event.

I was not, I was referring to a change of heart, in Dex's case, it could very well be that he followed a scientific thought process, then found it to be lacking or wanting in some major way, so he made a conscious decission to alter his actions or thoughts likewise. No spirituality, just the need for change.

Another anology could very well be...

A nerd, feeling small and weak, takes it upon himself to workout, bulk up and become buff.

A criminal, does time and realizes it sux, so makes the effort to avoid committing criminal acts, or getting caught at the least.

A highschooler, that gets leftout or ignored, without conscious reason, slowly morfs or evolves into a new persona. One that is more out going or noticable.

Being "born again", need not be a religous experience.

 

[hermanntrude]

I can see bear's view on rebirths but not your AJ or yours west. possibly because bear explained what he meant, whereas AJ just waxed lyrical

 

[westmanguy]

I think you have to be atheist or belief in something more.

In this issue there is no middle ground.

So if your not sure, and don't want a relationship but still wonder (this is a big crowd, they usually come to a realization in their old age) ... you do fall in the belief in something more group.

 

[hermanntrude]

I think you have to be atheist or belief in something more.

In this issue there is no middle ground.

So if your not sure, and don't want a relationship but still wonder (this is a big crowd, they usually come to a realization in their old age) ... you do fall in the belief in something more group.

There is middle ground. It's always an option available to instead of beleive or disbelieve to say to one's-self "I don't know"

It's a tougher option cos you'll always get lumped in with one or the other, and both will try to pull u towards their own view. And of course there's always the temptation to believe in something to see what it feels like

 

[CDNBear]

There is middle ground. It's always an option available to instead of beleive or disbelieve to say to one's-self "I don't know"

It's a tougher option cos you'll always get lumped in with one or the other, and both will try to pull u towards their own view. And of course there's always the temptation to believe in something to see what it feels like

Or shun you all together.

"To thyn own self be true"

 

[lwashburn]

Bravo Dexter. Saw the born again stuff and wanted to run. I believe it was a discussion/debate about intelligent design that served as the inspiration to join this forum. People have to believe something I suppose. As if it's not magnicent enough to be born once, the need to believe we go on persists. And, perhaps, in some form of matter, ethereal or carbon clad, we do.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yes I do. I think you're all seriously deluded, I see no reason not to say so, and I can argue the case pretty well. If this were in the Christian Discussion forum I wouldn't have made that comment, I have no interest in what's in there anymore, but in a more general Faith Discussion forum, I view it as fair game. You want a Christian forum where you can all congratulate and support each other in your righteousness, take it somewhere else.

Very interesting. We had a gathering here at Chateau Sinister last night, and evidently somebody was at my computer without my knowledge. I don't keep a head count on who's in what rooms. I didn't write either of the two previous posts in here with my name on them. Obviously it was somebody familiar with my thoughts on this subject, as that quite credibly sounds like me, and familiar with this place, but that could have been any one of almost a dozen people, so odds are pretty small I'll ever figure out whodunnit. My browser is set up for auto login here, with this site prominently bookmarked on the toolbar. Think maybe I'll change that, and my password. And I think I'll do a search on all my posts for the last 24 hours. Who knows what little horrors might have been dropped in here with my name on them.

 

[Andem]

I think you have to be atheist or belief in something more.

In this issue there is no middle ground.

So if your not sure, and don't want a relationship but still wonder (this is a big crowd, they usually come to a realization in their old age) ... you do fall in the belief in something more group.

Who or what made you an authority on this subject? It seems you're an authority on a lot of things... including being about to speak for all women (see Circumcised vs. Not Thread).

People can believe what they want, they can believe nothing or just not know.

 

[hermanntrude]

lol dex. I didnt notice it wasnt you!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It was somebody who knows me fairly well, obviously, but the rest of the stuff from late last night seems pretty harmless, just a few things in the thread about sharing first names, one of which I actually did post myself.

 

[lwashburn]

D -- That's a chilling thought. There should be mechanisms in place to prevent postings by masqueraders. Are there site moderators here to catch/prevent this kind of thing? Nonetheless, the comment made to which I responded has merit.