How the Iraq war is destroying America's fighting men

[darkbeaver]

And that's a question we won't survive to answer. I think it's a sick twisted version of "Death before Dishonour" maybe we should talk about it now before it's to late.:smile:

 

[MikeyDB]

What on earth would an American know about "honor"??????????????????????????

Honor has no 'place' in the 'marketplace'. IBM GE Ford GM Standard Oil, Exxon, the list of multinational corporations that actually run this planet have never exercised restraint or anything remotely similar to "honor" when it comes to the bottom line...

Global warming is a myth...

Cabbages, bananas,sugar cane, petroleum and profit margins are what America is all about...

America became a nation on the basis of its entrepreneurial appetites...nothing has changed.

 

[tamarin]

DB, it's a civil war. No doubt the US military has shot itself in the foot. And leg and every other considerable appendage or organ one might mention. It is a debacle. And one from which the US will not recover in my or your lifetime.

 

[MikeyDB]

Tamarin

Only if that round entered the heads of Walker Bush and Mckenna and others of the Carlyle group could we expect any respite from the war-mongering of America's corporate elite...

Haliburton, KBR, millions in cash shipped to Iraq.....American corporations hiring terrorists in Columbia....is there a pattern here????

 

[I think not]

Even if you believe that the American military is the greatest on earth....how well do you suppose the entire American army airforce and navy would do against a standing army of hundreds of millions of Chinese?

Alternatives to war must be found....some other metric than one nations ability to wage war on some other nation will either be found or we will keep repeating the same madness over and over and over...

Good point, what are the alternatives?

 

[I think not]

What on earth would an American know about "honor"??????????????????????????

Honor has no 'place' in the 'marketplace'. IBM GE Ford GM Standard Oil, Exxon, the list of multinational corporations that actually run this planet have never exercised restraint or anything remotely similar to "honor" when it comes to the bottom line...

Global warming is a myth...

Cabbages, bananas,sugar cane, petroleum and profit margins are what America is all about...

America became a nation on the basis of its entrepreneurial appetites...nothing has changed.

This corporation running the world hoopla is really getting boring. This is one of the major reasons extreme leftists are never taken seriously. Ya'll need a new tune.

 

[darkbeaver]

DB, it's a civil war. No doubt the US military has shot itself in the foot. And leg and every other considerable appendage or organ one might mention. It is a debacle. And one from which the US will not recover in my or your lifetime.

No it's not a civil war, it's being painted that colour by those factions who wish it would develope into a civil war, partition of Iraq is the target, civil war is the excuse. Remember the WMDs that wern't and the North American invasion that Saddam was about launch. Well the civil war storys from the same fairy tale collection.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

This corporation running the world hoopla is really getting boring. This is one of the major reasons extreme leftists are never taken seriously. Ya'll need a new tune.

We are important and you continue to take us seriously, we don't need a new tune, you'll dance to the same old scratchy piece of vinyl we crank up for you every day. :smile:

 

[tamarin]

DB, you're frighteningly out of sync with reality. You're eating too much green wood, Beaver!

 

[darkbeaver]

DB, you're frighteningly out of sync with reality. You're eating too much green wood, Beaver!

That appears to be the case to the handicapped, actually I'm far ahead of ordinary reality.:lol:

 

[hermanntrude]

Honestly if you go to war you can expect to end up mentally screwed up. physically too. If you join an army you can expect to go to war.

simple solution: don't join an army.

 

[tracy]

What on earth would an American know about "honor"??????????????????????????

If honestly think being American automatically makes someone dishonourable, you're just a biggot.

 

[darkbeaver]

I can say that I know personnally many honourable Americans who live in shame because of the dishonour of thier country, murdering a million and a half people in Iraq and stealing thier oil while destroying the country can only be confused as honourable by those who know nothing of honour or human decency.:-(

 

[darkbeaver]

I can say that I know personnally many honourable Americans who live in shame because of the dishonour of thier country, murdering a million and a half people in Iraq and stealing thier oil while destroying the country can only be twisted as honourable by those who know nothing of honour or human decency.:-(

 

[gopher]

The tacky details tsk tsk, but what's realy destroying America's fighting men is thier own beloved government who's sending them back three or four times untill thier completely consumed by war, and what's worse when the damaged come home they damage the system and thier familys.Others are like human time bombs ticking away in the closets for years.:smile:

There have been several news reports of returning veterans committing crimes, suffering from drug addiction, and facing homelessness. Those do-nothing Republicans never care at all for returning vets but let's hope that a Democratic majority will help them in ways that the GOP won't.

 

[EagleSmack]

That no one would survive the next war if taken "nuclear" ...isn't a concern to America or Americans...

The "Cold War" was about the impertinence of the socialist scoundrel Castro exhibiting the temerity to harbor nuke-capable weapons just off Miami Beach... among other things of course...

That Iran or Iraq or Syria or any other nation wants the "clout" of nuclear weapons to deter the United States from its pursuit of political ideological and economic control of the world is simply the "Cold War" continued under a different "name"...

America hasn't suffered as a people ...to the degree that Canada or most European nations have suffered in watching as huge numbers of their populations were fed into the merchantile mill of greed and destruction in the name of "fascism" or "communism" or any of the ideological labels that can be identified as the "cause" behind two world wars...

Peal Harbor is a footnote compared to the generations long suffering of nations against which the American corporate machinery has deployed nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and billions of dollars ..

Americans and the majority of Canadians are simply too young to remember these extraveganzas of death and destruction.... It's all a video game and "good" movies...

When service people return from Iraq and Afghanistan, from all the loci of greed meeting resistance, the younger generations don't have a scale to measure or reference....it's something you read about in a book or watch on a theatre screen...

America revels in its war-making, simply because the climate of violence and destruction that renders millions dead and infrastructures devastated in other distant nations isn't something "real" to Americans or America...

It's something that happens far far away...over there where all those ragheads and gooks live...

I'm certainly not discounting or attempting to diminish the contribution that the United States has made to defeating the enemies of peace around the world in the past hundred years, but why is it that American's seem to feel that "war" is perfectly acceptable ...until body-bags and amputees' in sufficient numbers begin to be witnessed on their TV's and talked about on the Internet?

Why isn't carnage and mayhem as real to America as it is to the rest of the world?

You lost me when you say "Canada suffered". C'mon now.

 

[EagleSmack]

There have been several news reports of returning veterans committing crimes, suffering from drug addiction, and facing homelessness. Those do-nothing Republicans never care at all for returning vets but let's hope that a Democratic majority will help them in ways that the GOP won't.

There are also reports of college kids doing crimes, drug addiction etc. And office workers, construction workers, etc.

I know a whole bunch of Iraq War Vets and not ONE is commiting crimes or addicted to drugs. More left wing BS.

Will the Democrats help. Well here in Massachusetts we have elected our first Democrat as a Governor in 16 years and one of the first things he did was to remove the Secretary of Veterans Affairs from his cabinet. What a GREAT START!

 

[gopher]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]""left wing BS''''

I just watched the following program which featured several Federal authorities to prove the point. Rather than criticize, how about presenting some evidence that this is a fabrication as you allege?



Frontline[/FONT] (Repeat)

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]17 KTCI: Wednesday, March 21 9:00 PM
Documentary, Newsmagazine

The Soldier's Heart
The effects of Iraq War on soldiers returning home to the U.S.


Original Air Date: Mar 01, 2005[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Future Airings:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif] KTCI Wednesday, March 21 9:00 PM The Soldier's Heart[/FONT]

 

[gopher]

No reply. But that's natural on this forum. What follows is yet more proof that Democrats in Congress are concerned over returning veterans violence:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6498632,00.html

quote:

[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The House on Wednesday directed the Veterans Affairs Department to develop a program dealing with suicide among veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and other depression issues. [/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Legislation passed 423-0 orders the VA to set up a program to train staffers and screen veterans...



[/FONT][FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]So much for the claim that this is "left wing BS''.
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[EagleSmack]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]""left wing BS''''[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]I just watched the following program which featured several Federal authorities to prove the point. Rather than criticize, how about presenting some evidence that this is a fabrication as you allege?[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Frontline[/FONT] (Repeat)

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]17 KTCI: Wednesday, March 21 9:00 PM[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Documentary, Newsmagazine [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]The Soldier's Heart[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]The effects of Iraq War on soldiers returning home to the U.S.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Original Air Date: Mar 01, 2005[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Future Airings:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]KTCI Wednesday, March 21 9:00 PM The Soldier's Heart[/FONT]

If you want a story... you can find it. You can always seek out the soldiers adversly affected by war. It IS a war and war is not fun and there are going to be long lasting implications on some. All it takes is a handfull and you have yourself a documentary on how bad things are.

On the other hand the same documentary crew can find returning soldiers that were not adversly affected by the war and are doing very well. There are a whole bunch here in my town and they are perfectly fine and they are glad and proud of their service. But that does not make a good documentary now does it?