IRAN'S FASTEST UNDERWATER MISSLE

[Zzarchov]

Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.

Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.

 

[darkbeaver]

Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.

Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.

They have hardware, but very soft software.

 

[darkbeaver]

Irans chief weapon is the fact that it does have some suicidal "martyrs", One massive quick Kamikazee swarm of all air assets is Irans best bet at even hurting one carrier. Otherwise they will all be taken out within a few days to no effect anyways.

Right or Wrong, America has a better military than anyone else..push comes to shove it probably has a better military than anyone else. It hasn't cut down on Cold war spending, but everyone else has stopped.

They have hardware, but very soft software. It's the squishy parts that will fail, any war with Iran will open in the ME but I bet it will spread to the states, then we will see what they're made of, jello.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

The Iraqi army did not fight. The Iranian army would fight. That is the difference. A US invasion of Iran would set of a conflict that would make Iraq look like Grenada. In Iraq some folk are against the US being there. In Iran they all would be up in arms. No conventional army has yet to beat a popular resistance movement with widespread public support.

 

[Zzarchov]

The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..

I seriously doubt that. Hate may be to strong of a word. There are also no conflicting tribal of religious schisms in Iran. Any political differences between moderates and hardliners would be set aside to ensure that what has happened in Iraq does not happen in Iran.

If Bush was smart he would let Isreal do his dirty work and stopp Irans nuclear program. Isreali aircraft can easily hit the targets with intell from the US.

 

[Zzarchov]

It wouldn't be a racial warzone,

It would be an MTV generation causing general unrest against a religious older generation that would be forced to make concessions to avoid riots.

And putting down the riots would be counter productive, they are their own damn kids.

 

[EagleSmack]

The problem being 50% of Irans population is under 25 and hates the current oppressive regime. Airdrop money and fire-arms, the regime will be overthrown by itself..

I am all for that.

 

[EagleSmack]

The Iraqi army did not fight. The Iranian army would fight. That is the difference. A US invasion of Iran would set of a conflict that would make Iraq look like Grenada. In Iraq some folk are against the US being there. In Iran they all would be up in arms. No conventional army has yet to beat a popular resistance movement with widespread public support.

No the Iraqi army did fight they just got their butts kicked. Iran is all talk and no action. Their military would collapse almost as fast as Iraqs and they would be forced into car bombings and an insurgency. Iraq had the fourth biggest army in the world right before the first Gulf War and outnumbered the coalition. The Coalition made quick work with the air forces and air defences and then hammered it's armor forces.

Iran would not stand a chance.

 

[thomaska]

They have hardware, but very soft software. It's the squishy parts that will fail, any war with Iran will open in the ME but I bet it will spread to the states, then we will see what they're made of, jello.

I don't know if you mean an actual invasion of the states, but I highly doubt even our own military could take and hold a city like Los Angeles, Houston or New York.

The probability of an invading army actually reaching our shores a la D Day style without being sunk conventionally or as last resort just nuked out in the open ocean, is very small.

But if you mean conqured from within like the non alcohol toting, non pork scanning haji's in Minnesota, then you might have a point. Once all the newspeak from the left has made everyone into socially dependent drones, it might happen.

 

[EagleSmack]

I seriously doubt that. Hate may be to strong of a word. There are also no conflicting tribal of religious schisms in Iran. Any political differences between moderates and hardliners would be set aside to ensure that what has happened in Iraq does not happen in Iran.

If Bush was smart he would let Isreal do his dirty work and stopp Irans nuclear program. Isreali aircraft can easily hit the targets with intell from the US.

I am sure the people in Iran LOVE being told what to do and what not to do by the aging mullahs of the Revolutionary Council. They are very happy in their oppression, stonings, public hangings for adultry and homosexuality, being executed (usually women as they ALWAYS tempt the men of Iran) for pre-marital sex. It's a fun place to grow up. I hear the Revolutionary Guard and their Secret Police are nice people and very accomadating.

Yes the people of Iran LOVE their life and LOVE visits by Secret Police in the middle of the night because a neighbor has a score to settle. Just asked the father of the 15 year old girl who was hung because she was different and had premaritals with a 50 year old former Revolutionary Guard member. When the judge asked to see her figure and decided that she was 20 because of her physique and not actually 15 her fate was sealed.

 

[EagleSmack]

I don't know if you mean an actual invasion of the states, but I highly doubt even our own military could take and hold a city like Los Angeles, Houston or New York.

The probability of an invading army actually reaching our shores a la D Day style without being sunk conventionally or as last resort just nuked out in the open ocean, is very small.

But if you mean conqured from within like the non alcohol toting, non pork scanning haji's in Minnesota, then you might have a point. Once all the newspeak from the left has made everyone into socially dependent drones, it might happen.

He just wants the US to fall in anyway. He is so obsessed and jealous that his dellusions get the better of him. Have pity on him.

 

[TenPenny]

I would be surprised if any of the Iranian Aircraft would make it off the ground.

Fifty or 60 F-4 Phantoms. OK... those are Vietnam era planes and would not stand a chance. If every one of those planes got off the ground a carrier airwing would make quick work of them. It would be a Navy Pilot's DREAM. It would be like the F-4 Phantom going up against WWII aircraft. The same goes for the F-5.

The F-14's that they have were sold to them by the US before the Ayatollah Khomeni came into power. So that was the late 70's. I doubt many of them are operational if any of them are. If they are working they are 30 years behind the latest F-18's and F-14's.

Iraq had a nice airforce and all Iraq could do was try to get them to Iran so they would not be blown up on the ground. The Allies in Desert Storm had total air superiority from the start.

I guess that's why the whole Iraq thing was such a cakewalk, and it was so quick and easy to clean it up and walk away.

 

[EagleSmack]

I guess that's why the whole Iraq thing was such a cakewalk, and it was so quick and easy to clean it up and walk away.

The thing is that it WAS easy to beat the Iraqi Army. It was over pretty quick was it not? Beating their standing army was very simple unless you of course were listening to and believing the Iraqi Information Minister.

"Sir... their are reports that the Americans are at the Baghdad Airport."
"No... I was just there. They are trapped in Nassariya."

ooooookaaaaaay.

 

[TenPenny]

The thing is that it WAS easy to beat the Iraqi Army. It was over pretty quick was it not? Beating their standing army was very simple unless you of course were listening to and believing the Iraqi Information Minister.

"Sir... their are reports that the Americans are at the Baghdad Airport."
"No... I was just there. They are trapped in Nassariya."

ooooookaaaaaay.

Well, that would depend on your definition of "Iraqi Army", but that's too fine a point, I guess.

Enjoy your simplified dismissal of anything that isn't technologically up to your standards, in the belief that it makes it non-functional. It worked well in Vietnam, and in Iraq so far. I'm sure it will continue to do so.

 

[EagleSmack]

Well, that would depend on your definition of "Iraqi Army", but that's too fine a point, I guess.

Enjoy your simplified dismissal of anything that isn't technologically up to your standards, in the belief that it makes it non-functional. It worked well in Vietnam, and in Iraq so far. I'm sure it will continue to do so.

Well that just means your head is stuck in the sand and refuse to admit that the Iraqi Army as a whole was completely destroyed... tanks, artillery, infantry units, aircraft... all disintegrated.

Now we are dealing with an insurgency and the news is positive. Sunni militias on the side of the standing Iraqi Govt. are now fighting Al Queda foreigners as they have finally worn out their welcome and have killed far too many Sunnis and Sunni Sheiks. Sadr is now impudent and the SURGE IS WORKING! Attacks and bombing are down. We are winning kiddo.

Vietnam... YAAAAAWN... that topic again? How long are you silly people going to bring that up?