Unmistakable Message DU Kills
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The story has not been suppressed. If it had been suppressed you wouldn't know about it.
Paranoia strikes deep.
It's all a myth anyway...
The United States would never employ something as potentially dangerous as DU! The United States has been the worlds bulwark against chemical warfare....they'd never personally use such terrible weapons against anyone.... Now a little tiny bit of Chemical Weapons might inadvertantly get sold to say Iraq or other nations fighting for American causes in various locations around the planet ...but come on now!
The U.S. ....using something that would toxify the soil and kill people for generations....absurd!
The United States would never employ something as potentially dangerous as DU! The United States has been the worlds bulwark against chemical warfare....they'd never personally use such terrible weapons against anyone.... Now a little tiny bit of Chemical Weapons might inadvertantly get sold to say Iraq or other nations fighting for American causes in various locations around the planet ...but come on now!
The U.S. ....using something that would toxify the soil and kill people for generations....absurd!
Here's a quote right out of your original article posted:
HMMMMM
Now, I don't know about DU. It seems to be that the dust from expended rounds can't be real safe.......I mean any dust breathed in is very harmful, a little radiation goes a long way. BUT the stuff also is very effective against tanks............Imagine the dead if the troops in Gulf War One had to take out the sea of Iraqi armour without warthogs or DU munitions. A much more complicated job.
There has to be a cost/benefit analysis.......I know that is not language that serves well when you are talking about human lives.......but there it is.
Time for another comparitive medical study of Gulf War and other vets.
Some problems here Mikey:
1. An American test was done in the south Pacific (with harmless agents) to trace the spread/lethality of chemical biological weapons. The results were too horrific even for the President at the time, Richard Nixon. He made the creation and signing of the anti-Chemical-Biological Weapons Treaty his baby, and pushed it hard, despite the fact the USA had superiority in all these areas. The USA has a good record with NOT encouraging CB agents use or proliferation.
2. The USA sold the Iraqis a miniscule amout of weaponry of ANY type when Saddam was into it seriously with the USA Enemy No. 1 of the Day.....Iraq. They sold NO Chemical agents. NONE If you want to trace the Iraqis WMD, go to Germany, no less. China and France also sold Saddam weapons by the BILLION dollar. The USA's "contribution" can be measured in tens of millions.
3. In my years of interest in world affairs, I have NEVER heard the Americans being accused of selling CBN technology ANYWHERE!
You're wasting your breath. I'm sure a long nonsensical article devoid of personal comment will soon follow.
Colpy
Thanks for that info...I'll let the people of Vietnam in on the secret integrity and moral righteousness of those who think that dioxin levels in their soil has anything to do with agent orange or agent purple...
Good to have someone so erudite and knowledgeable to test perspectives against..!
Thanks!
Thanks for that info...I'll let the people of Vietnam in on the secret integrity and moral righteousness of those who think that dioxin levels in their soil has anything to do with agent orange or agent purple...
Good to have someone so erudite and knowledgeable to test perspectives against..!
Thanks!
The properties of DU, or U-2388)8), are not that different from U-235. Both are radioactive both are chemically toxic. Breathing in the dust of either is bad for you. Hundreds of tons of this material has been spread over Iraq, and to a lessor degree in Afghanistan. Birth defects in those countries markedly higher than before the war. Birth defects in the U.S. among the families of soldiers who were exposed is obviously higher. Is DU safe? Ask the families of those soldiers who died from it.
http://www.sonaliandjim.net/politics/DU/DU_paper.htm
http://www.sonaliandjim.net/politics/DU/DU_paper.htm
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Colpy
Help me out here if you'd be so kind. I just googled agent orange and there's a wide-spread misconception that the U.S. actually used chemical warfare in Vietnam.....
Set the record straight for us here at CC would you Colpy? Obviously the United States would never employ this kind of weaponry...right?
Help me out here if you'd be so kind. I just googled agent orange and there's a wide-spread misconception that the U.S. actually used chemical warfare in Vietnam.....
Set the record straight for us here at CC would you Colpy? Obviously the United States would never employ this kind of weaponry...right?
U.S. forces sprayed the herbicide to defoliate large areas of forest in Vietnam, if commies got caught choking on it, all the better. Next question.
ITN
Devoid of personal comment? Is that a noo roole?
That's me when I get tipsy. :laughing7:
Wonderful attitude, except that VietNamese are still dying from Agent Orange, just as Iraqis are still dying from DU.
OH ITN, you're so gunna hate me...
The unfortunet part of agent orange is, it didn't discriminate between Commies and civilians. Kind of like landmines, they have a problem with reading peoples papers.
Doesn't really matter to ITN or most Americans Bear.
The issue here as far as I'm able to ascertain is the practice of generations-long lethality as a policy of the U.S. military.
DU is just another example of how the United States can prosecute a war against oh say Iraq...while having used the same technology time and time again...itself...
You're big on pointing out hypocrisy....
The issue here as far as I'm able to ascertain is the practice of generations-long lethality as a policy of the U.S. military.
DU is just another example of how the United States can prosecute a war against oh say Iraq...while having used the same technology time and time again...itself...
You're big on pointing out hypocrisy....
How did you become so educated about the matter? What did live at five say about it.?:laughing7:
What has the Canadian Military got to say about DU - it is fine that you are all concerned about the state of the U.S. military (ahem).... but it doesn't seem in line with what other things I have read here regarding that group.
Are any Canadian miliitary affected by DU sickness from Gulf One?
If so where are your own arguments - why are you writing about the U.S. military.
Is Canadian media suppressing any ill effects of veterans from that 100 days in the sandbox?
What about the troops stationed in Afghanistan? Any illnesses from combat related sandbox duty?
Fact is: If Veterans - from all wars - were paid what their country should be paying out in primo health care on par with what politicians get - there would be no outcry from any veterans groups whether it is from the agent orange illness or DU stories.
Many many veterans have fallen ill over the past years since VietNam... and many are presenting with illnesses from the Gulf Wars .... but without lifelong medical care, they have to relate their illnesses which are widespread and affect with symptoms as many many different diseases.... as service related which they probably are. The most prevalent disease other than physical traumatic injury from weapons and accident is PTSD.....and this leaves the VA plenty of wiggle room.
To lump things into Agent Orange and DU defeats the purpose. If veterans received lifelong medical care for their service .... the treatment if needed and study of the varied diseases would be not only beneficial to the veterans, but to the military for future combat operations.
The government - especially the VA - as usual have their boots on backwards.
But what about Canadian military????
Again - what are the Canadian Vets going through - are they 100% healthy when they return?
What about the Gulf One vets? Any presenting DU illnesses???
Are any Canadian miliitary affected by DU sickness from Gulf One?
If so where are your own arguments - why are you writing about the U.S. military.
Is Canadian media suppressing any ill effects of veterans from that 100 days in the sandbox?
What about the troops stationed in Afghanistan? Any illnesses from combat related sandbox duty?
Fact is: If Veterans - from all wars - were paid what their country should be paying out in primo health care on par with what politicians get - there would be no outcry from any veterans groups whether it is from the agent orange illness or DU stories.
Many many veterans have fallen ill over the past years since VietNam... and many are presenting with illnesses from the Gulf Wars .... but without lifelong medical care, they have to relate their illnesses which are widespread and affect with symptoms as many many different diseases.... as service related which they probably are. The most prevalent disease other than physical traumatic injury from weapons and accident is PTSD.....and this leaves the VA plenty of wiggle room.
To lump things into Agent Orange and DU defeats the purpose. If veterans received lifelong medical care for their service .... the treatment if needed and study of the varied diseases would be not only beneficial to the veterans, but to the military for future combat operations.
The government - especially the VA - as usual have their boots on backwards.
But what about Canadian military????
Again - what are the Canadian Vets going through - are they 100% healthy when they return?
What about the Gulf One vets? Any presenting DU illnesses???
Where's New England Colpy? And do Doctors push drugs and do bears realy deficate in the forest. Cost/benefit analysis works perfect for humanity, do the calculation on US security cast over human benifit and you arrive at the facts Colpy. It's to expensive from a human perspective to continue to pay for the corporate benefit. They can't even run a decent sized war without cost overruns in the billions, that's no way to manage a planet.:laughing7: