"End times senerios"

[AmberEyes]

Um, "the sun thing" is about 5 billion years away. Like I said before, we'll probably be kissed g'bye by a large asteroid or something first.
Um, unless we went walkabout. lmao

Yes, I know a lot more about the sun than I let on. But by the rate things are going, it doesn't seem like we'll get off this planet at all. And, as I said, I figure we'll kill ourselves long before then.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yes, I know a lot more about the sun than I let on. But by the rate things are going, it doesn't seem like we'll get off this planet at all. And, as I said, I figure we'll kill ourselves long before then.

As far as I know we can't go any where without that sun and its spectrum. So we better take care of the home we've got.:wave:

 

[AmberEyes]

As far as I know we can't go any where without that sun and its spectrum. So we better take care of the home we've got.:wave:

Hehe, you'll have no troubles convincing me.. it's the rest of the earth's population that worries me.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yes, I know a lot more about the sun than I let on. But by the rate things are going, it doesn't seem like we'll get off this planet at all. And, as I said, I figure we'll kill ourselves long before then.

PosseBilly. I have hopes. One of my fave adages is "expect the worst and hope for the best".

 

[AmberEyes]

PosseBilly. I have hopes. One of my fave adages is "expect the worst and hope for the best".

Hehe, I like that. Sums up a lot of my thoughts.

 

[look3467]

Have you ever read the Bible AJ? I suspected you had not from some of your comments in other threads, but such posts as this confirms it for me. It was Lot in the story,AJ, not Abraham. And as to the tale depicted in the Scriptures, it was not described as a natural disaster, but being directly from God. In the future, do read the Bible before claiming knowledge of it

Lot was the one saved from the city, but Abraham did the pleading sir!

Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

Please tell me again to read my bible?

And God uses natural disasters to accomplish His GOALS. Of course, the natural functions of the earth can be deterred as like Jesus did with the storm tossed sea.

Who is speaking here brother Sanctus? Surely not Lot.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Not quire certain what a "senerio" might be, guessing you mean "scenario"? Anyway, are you a minister or a priest? You seem fairly sure of yourself and some of the stuff you write is...welll. different

Yes, I misspelled it and couldn't go back to edit that part of it, but yes, it is scenario.

I am ordained a minister and minister Christ's love to whom ever would want to know Him.

And yes, my thoughts are different as I have learned them.

But not different when it comes to the saving graces of our Lord Jesus. There are many who believe in Jesus as their personal Savior and are just as secure in that Belief as I am.

I am bringing in new light if you will, but is not necessarily accepted readily.

I would encourage any to read and study the bible, that is if you want and believe, but if not, then let life teach you who God is.

If I didn't bring up something different, what would there be to compare your present belief against?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

As far as I know we can't go any where without that sun and its spectrum. So we better take care of the home we've got.

My sentiments too. There are lots of suns with similar spectra, but none very close to us, and the biochemistry of life on any other planet is unlikely to be very useful to us. Minor differences in biochemistry would render the plants and animals there, if not fatal to us, at least not very nourishing. Even right here where we evolved there are plants and animals that are fatal to ingest. We'd have to transplant earth's biota as well as ourselves, and nobody knows how they'd grow on an alien planet under an alien sun. Better to preserve what we know works here.

The real issue, behind pollution, global warming, resource depletion, habitat loss, mass extinctions, and all the other ecological and environmental problems we face, is that there are just too many of us here. 6 billion people simply cannot live here at the level of consumption we have in western Europe and North America. We are a plague on the planet. Nature has ways of taking care of such things, and they're always painful and brutal in terms of human values. Pestilence, famine... Evolution is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, and if we don't limit our numbers, nature will do it for us in the cruelest ways you can imagine.

 

[look3467]

whoopsiedaisy look!

If I were you, I'd find out for my self by reading the bible account, before I'd take someone elses, opinion, that I haven't?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

lol
Yeah, it basically means ****e happens.

That's about the gist of it. But, there is solace and comfort in God through those trials and happenings.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

that doesnt really answer the question. Anyway there wouldn't be any city in the world where less than 5 good people were to be found. and what if he found four? why four rather than 5? God's logic seems flawed in this story

The number is not so much the point, the question implied, was are there any righteous ones, let alone 2,3,4,or 5.

God was willing to spare the city on Abrahams pleading if He could but find one other than Lot and His wife.
Now I would like for some to understand that out of these stories, God reveals a deeper message.(A spiritual message)

God would be willing to save all mankind, if He could find one righteous man to stand in the gap for all humanity so that God would spare the souls of all mankind.

And God found one!

Guess who that righteous one was, is and shall always be?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

Well, murdering a city filla people doesn't sound too loving to me. Maybe I'm weird, but such as I am.

 

[look3467]

There is such a thing as zodiacal progression. Where a wobble in the Earth's axial rotation makes the sun rise on the spring equinox in different constellations over a course of 2000 odd years. When the sun rose on the sring equinox in the constellation of Taurus 6000 years ago, golden calfs were sacrificed to. Moses preached against such idols. When the sun rose in Aries 4000 years ago, rams were popular sacrifices. Animal sacrifice such as rams is popular in old Testament and Judaisms history. Now the sun rises in Pisces for about the last 2000 years. Christ symbol is the fish. A new age is about to dawn as the sun rises in the constellation of Aquarius. Could we be nigh on hand for the end of the Christ's age and his fish sign? Who or what will be venerated represented by the water bearer of Aquarius?

That is interesting way to look at it. I don't box God into any tight boxes of my own thinking.

But to answer what I believe about Jesus, is that the whole bible is centered on Him.

He is the Savior of the whole world and that without Him, we all would continue to be as we had never been.

Now, if you can understand that, using your views, then we both will be in aggrement as to who Jesus is.

A word on sacrifices of animals. Mainly meaning, the shedding of blood. It was a picture of the shed blood of Jesus that all that alluded too.


When Jesus was offered up as a sacrifice by only the High Priests could do, than all humanity benefited from that onces and for all sacrifice. The animal sacrifices by the High priests stopped shortly after that.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

You belong to an Alternative Universe School, one of many, and your's is particularly void of fact or reason. You believe you can escape from the garden, you're already in heaven you can never escape.Your not going anywhere you're staying here with the rest of us for eternity.
You've sworn to walk in the footsteps of Jesus.If you were serious you would sell your posessions and walk the streets among the poor destributing loaves and fishes.If you expect to be reunited anon I should think you would want to meet him having led a life mirroring his as closely as posible, something he ordered you to do if I'm not mistaken. He's hardly going to want to spend time with you studying the bible in heaven. Most of the good christians I'v met know squat about the bible.

Well, void of fact or reason is a matter of perception.
The garden is the earth, and my escape from it is only temporal as I enter Gods kingdom of blessings. Now don’t misunderstand blessing here, they are not necessarily free of suffering, or earthly possessions.
In my sufferings like everybody else, I have peace and comfort knowing that God is with me thought the earthly ordeal.

That is where my confidents and strength lies.

Apart form that, I’d have to rely on my own strength, which I know, I would fail.

Now, per your words, I will agree with you on this point quote “ Most of the good christians I'v met know squat about the bible”.

They know enough, but a serious one, will on his own desire study to know and understand more about whom his faith is placed on.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

My sentiments too. There are lots of suns with similar spectra, but none very close to us, and the biochemistry of life on any other planet is unlikely to be very useful to us. Minor differences in biochemistry would render the plants and animals there, if not fatal to us, at least not very nourishing. Even right here where we evolved there are plants and animals that are fatal to ingest. We'd have to transplant earth's biota as well as ourselves, and nobody knows how they'd grow on an alien planet under an alien sun. Better to preserve what we know works here.

The real issue, behind pollution, global warming, resource depletion, habitat loss, mass extinctions, and all the other ecological and environmental problems we face, is that there are just too many of us here. 6 billion people simply cannot live here at the level of consumption we have in western Europe and North America. We are a plague on the planet. Nature has ways of taking care of such things, and they're always painful and brutal in terms of human values. Pestilence, famine... Evolution is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, and if we don't limit our numbers, nature will do it for us in the cruelest ways you can imagine.

I have to agree with you on the nature part. The earth is programed to function as a self renewable earth, that renews itself accordingly, and any changes to that cycle can only be deterred by the creator of it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Well, murdering a city filla people doesn't sound too loving to me. Maybe I'm weird, but such as I am.

The spiritual message of that story Gilbert is that God by one righteous one, saved the city. (World)

If nothing else is gotten out of that story, the real message intended was the spiritual understanding of it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I have to agree with you on the nature part. The earth is programed to function as a self renewable earth, that renews itself accordingly, and any changes to that cycle can only be deterred by the creator of it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Except that there's no good evidence that indicates there's a creator. We have to assume we're on our own; it's up to us, and only to us. We are responsible. Our duty is to ourselves and our planet.

 

[L Gilbert]

The spiritual message of that story Gilbert is that God by one righteous one, saved the city. (World)

If nothing else is gotten out of that story, the real message intended was the spiritual understanding of it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Murder for whatever reason is murder. Murder can have money as a motive, revenge, jealousy, etc. And planned murder is called premeditated murder or murder with malice aforethought. Good thing we're just speaking of hypothetical critters here, though, huh?

 

[look3467]

Except that there's no good evidence that indicates there's a creator. We have to assume we're on our own; it's up to us, and only to us. We are responsible. Our duty is to ourselves and our planet.

Well, that is what the debate has been for ages. Creator or no creator.

Here Paul is addressing a group of Athenians who had somewhat of an idea of a creator, but knew not who it was, so Paul brings in a bit of news foreign to their ears about who this unknown god was they were unknowingly worshipping.


Some listened and some didn't.


Act 17:20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean.
Act 17:21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)
Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
Paul as you might know was Saul until his heart was converted by Christ, and made to be a messenger to the Gentile world.
But, Paul was one who disbelieved in this new gospel so that he sought persecution to all believers of that faith.

And yes, we have the responsibility to till the soil. Meaning to take care of our environment.


Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Murder for whatever reason is murder. Murder can have money as a motive, revenge, jealousy, etc. And planned murder is called premeditated murder or murder with malice aforethought. Good thing we're just speaking of hypothetical critters here, though, huh?

Agreed! Murder is murder! The intent of the heart determines the motive of a murder.

I think the word murder as opposed to killing, means that murder is premeditated, where as killing, can be accidental.

Peace>>>AJ:love9: