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Canada eyeing reservists to bolster force in Afghanistan
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Okay. It's your suggestion:
http://geo.international.gc.ca/cip-pic/afghanistan/menu-en.asp
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/education/spotlight/issue_43/index.html
On the other hand, what are we there for?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MED20060318&articleId=2125
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This is very much part of the problem.
Do not view the world around you based on sound bytes and policy statements.
Our ADD society has gotten to the point where all meaningful debate and dialogue has to be crammed into a 30 second interview and a 10 words or less rhyming catch-phrase.
As a result, lacking the time to explain anything this important in detail, we end up with people trying to lie us in the right directions, because we are too retarded to listen to something longer than 30 seconds.
And if they do say something taking longer than 30 seconds, people begin misquoting lines and phrases out of context in a way that would make the bible impressed by their actions.
If you want to know whats going on in the world, read business news, people don't screw around with money. Read background history, and use your brain with basic reasoning skills.
The fact that people need single sentance all encompassing answers to explain incredibley detailed situations is one of the reasons things "turn out untrue". If I asked you to explain why you do everything (EVERYTHING) in your life in 10 words or less that needed to rhyme or at least be catchy. You would be hard pressed to explain it without me being able to cut it to pieces using specific (often one off) events in your life that are special circumstances (then acting like they are the norm).
We are in Afghanistan because NATO called for us to go to war versus Afghanistan. We are still there, because semantics aside with whether "NATO" ,the immaterial concept, dropped the bombs or not, WE actually dropped those bombs. Basic human morality and a lick of common sense means we should fix what we break , unless we really are monsters trying to inflict suffering on the world.
Do not view the world around you based on sound bytes and policy statements.
Our ADD society has gotten to the point where all meaningful debate and dialogue has to be crammed into a 30 second interview and a 10 words or less rhyming catch-phrase.
As a result, lacking the time to explain anything this important in detail, we end up with people trying to lie us in the right directions, because we are too retarded to listen to something longer than 30 seconds.
And if they do say something taking longer than 30 seconds, people begin misquoting lines and phrases out of context in a way that would make the bible impressed by their actions.
If you want to know whats going on in the world, read business news, people don't screw around with money. Read background history, and use your brain with basic reasoning skills.
The fact that people need single sentance all encompassing answers to explain incredibley detailed situations is one of the reasons things "turn out untrue". If I asked you to explain why you do everything (EVERYTHING) in your life in 10 words or less that needed to rhyme or at least be catchy. You would be hard pressed to explain it without me being able to cut it to pieces using specific (often one off) events in your life that are special circumstances (then acting like they are the norm).
We are in Afghanistan because NATO called for us to go to war versus Afghanistan. We are still there, because semantics aside with whether "NATO" ,the immaterial concept, dropped the bombs or not, WE actually dropped those bombs. Basic human morality and a lick of common sense means we should fix what we break , unless we really are monsters trying to inflict suffering on the world.
Brief Overview:
FACT #1: Jean Chretien & Canadian Corporations Involved in Trans-Afghan Pipeline
- Good for them.
FACT #2: Gordon O'Connor, Defence Minister, Is Former Military Lobbyist
- Yes...its almost like one needs to understand the military for both jobs, should we put a school teacher in charge of the armed forces? Because Ex-Teachers often end up in charge of education instead.
FACT #3: Current Afghan Parliament Includes Warlords and Drug Lords
- Side note, Current Afghan Parliment exists, and did not create the warlords or drug lords who were there before. It also seems to not have people being forcibley converted as a matter of law.
FACT #4: Afghan Warlords Considered Bigger Threat Than Taliban
- By whom? Thats rather silly, Warlords are much less dangerous to us as Canadians. Their concern is money and power, neither of which is gained by going after us. Men of Vice are easier to deal with then men of Faith.
FACT #5: Afghan Women Face Repression Despite Removal Of Taliban
- Fact, Women endured repression before, facing it now is a step up. The Jim Crowe laws kept popping up long after slavery ended, equality doesn't happen overnight. That doesn't mean you should never start and let inequality continue forever.
FACT #6: Elected Afghan Woman Faces Death Threats For Speaking Out
- Fact, An afghan woman was elected.
FACT #7: Since the U.S.-led War, Afghanistan Is Increasingly Hooked on Heroin
- Fact, they grow it all. Self responsibility here folks. Stop trying to grow it to sell to the west.
FACT #8: U.S. And Coalition Forces Using Excessive Force & Arbitrary Detention
- Fact, rather than being publicly encouraged, such things result in prison time if brought to light. Lets face it, a manager at Tim Hortons can't stop his staff from skimming the till, you think with thousands of soldiers in combat situations you can ensure ALL of them NEVER do anything wrong? If any segment of society could do that we wouldn't need police and internal affairs, we'd all just copy them.
FACT #9: Canada Complicit In Violation of Human Rights For 'War On Terror'
- Fact, Concept of War kinda negates the basic human right to life in the first place. Its war, not happy candy land. You know what stops it? not enabling a corrupt borderline genocidal regime in the first place so that other countries have to get engaged in your screw ups. A population can't be ruled by despots unless they allow despots to rule them. Fear is not an excuse to allow the world to become a worse place for your children.
FACT #10: U.S. Finds More Oil and Gas Reserves After 4-Year Search
- Yes, its almost like the country is undeveloped due to years of war, infighting and purposeful regression based on religious ideals. Countries need resources to grow, Afghanistan is no different.
FACT #1: Jean Chretien & Canadian Corporations Involved in Trans-Afghan Pipeline
- Good for them.
FACT #2: Gordon O'Connor, Defence Minister, Is Former Military Lobbyist
- Yes...its almost like one needs to understand the military for both jobs, should we put a school teacher in charge of the armed forces? Because Ex-Teachers often end up in charge of education instead.
FACT #3: Current Afghan Parliament Includes Warlords and Drug Lords
- Side note, Current Afghan Parliment exists, and did not create the warlords or drug lords who were there before. It also seems to not have people being forcibley converted as a matter of law.
FACT #4: Afghan Warlords Considered Bigger Threat Than Taliban
- By whom? Thats rather silly, Warlords are much less dangerous to us as Canadians. Their concern is money and power, neither of which is gained by going after us. Men of Vice are easier to deal with then men of Faith.
FACT #5: Afghan Women Face Repression Despite Removal Of Taliban
- Fact, Women endured repression before, facing it now is a step up. The Jim Crowe laws kept popping up long after slavery ended, equality doesn't happen overnight. That doesn't mean you should never start and let inequality continue forever.
FACT #6: Elected Afghan Woman Faces Death Threats For Speaking Out
- Fact, An afghan woman was elected.
FACT #7: Since the U.S.-led War, Afghanistan Is Increasingly Hooked on Heroin
- Fact, they grow it all. Self responsibility here folks. Stop trying to grow it to sell to the west.
FACT #8: U.S. And Coalition Forces Using Excessive Force & Arbitrary Detention
- Fact, rather than being publicly encouraged, such things result in prison time if brought to light. Lets face it, a manager at Tim Hortons can't stop his staff from skimming the till, you think with thousands of soldiers in combat situations you can ensure ALL of them NEVER do anything wrong? If any segment of society could do that we wouldn't need police and internal affairs, we'd all just copy them.
FACT #9: Canada Complicit In Violation of Human Rights For 'War On Terror'
- Fact, Concept of War kinda negates the basic human right to life in the first place. Its war, not happy candy land. You know what stops it? not enabling a corrupt borderline genocidal regime in the first place so that other countries have to get engaged in your screw ups. A population can't be ruled by despots unless they allow despots to rule them. Fear is not an excuse to allow the world to become a worse place for your children.
FACT #10: U.S. Finds More Oil and Gas Reserves After 4-Year Search
- Yes, its almost like the country is undeveloped due to years of war, infighting and purposeful regression based on religious ideals. Countries need resources to grow, Afghanistan is no different.
I can understand your believing years of membership somehow obliges us to lockstep with the group even though the mandate's been changed. Really. I do. There's one born every minute, but it still doesn't answer my question.
When did NATO get into the nation-building business?
It is nice to find out who the bullies are on this message board, up front.
I believe the answer is that NATO are not the nation builders, the UN is. This is a UN mandated action.Nato is security. The fact that many of these countries are involved in both should not be a surprise
I believe the answer is that NATO are not the nation builders, the UN is. This is a UN mandated action.Nato is security. The fact that many of these countries are involved in both should not be a surprise
Well, I can't understand how you can't read my post before responding?
Do you know what NATO is? Its a group of nations, nations built up of people. Its not some giant overbrain deep within the bowels of the earth. NATO is only what its members are. Please read the post and ask about a specific point of what you don't get, on why we are there and why we are rebuilding the country.
I specifically mentioned this. Why post question on a forum if you don't read the answers?
You quote box a question and respond to it you could at least do more than just pretend to answer it.
NATO was formed for the mutual defense and stability of the North Atlantic area. NATO is WAY outside its stated purpose on this one, so don't be pretending its an obligation on historical grounds.
thanks.
I think to many people do not understand the NATO mandate.
It wasn't just developed to defend the Atlantic "area". It was however created by a group of Nations that had a vested interest in mutual defence.
9/11, a member of this groups was attacked. The evidence pointed to a group within the Nation of Afghanistan, the ruling party of that Nation not only refused to hand over the perpetrators, but had been and would continue to fund and shelter them.
Thus the threat to further attacks was still a very real possiblity.
So as a memeber of NATO, the Federal Liberal Government sent our Troops to weed out and remove the threat.
The threat not only being the network of terrorists, but the ruling party, the Taliban, it would be completely cruel and counter productive to remove the prosiding form of governance and leave a void to be filled by the toughest dog.
Further more, the Canadian Armed Forces is trying to move agriculture from the drug trade, to food based products. On top of building schools and assisting the re-istablishment of infrastructure.
If you want to call the "Nation building", so beit.
It wasn't just developed to defend the Atlantic "area". It was however created by a group of Nations that had a vested interest in mutual defence.
9/11, a member of this groups was attacked. The evidence pointed to a group within the Nation of Afghanistan, the ruling party of that Nation not only refused to hand over the perpetrators, but had been and would continue to fund and shelter them.
Thus the threat to further attacks was still a very real possiblity.
So as a memeber of NATO, the Federal Liberal Government sent our Troops to weed out and remove the threat.
The threat not only being the network of terrorists, but the ruling party, the Taliban, it would be completely cruel and counter productive to remove the prosiding form of governance and leave a void to be filled by the toughest dog.
Further more, the Canadian Armed Forces is trying to move agriculture from the drug trade, to food based products. On top of building schools and assisting the re-istablishment of infrastructure.
If you want to call the "Nation building", so beit.
I think that very unlikely, if Stéphane Dion does win I think he will find a compelling reason to stay in Afghanistan...I bet you a Loonie. But I think if he does not change his tune I will hold my nose and vote for Harper. I really, really would hate to do that because except for the Afghanistan mission I am Left of centre on all other issues... but this one is important enough to me that I will vote Harper. Of course, maybe you think the NDP will win... HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Pinning a resolution out of a riding association that never even made the conference floor on the entire party, and rewording it in the process, reveals how fast and loose with the truth you're willing to be in order to forward your agenda.
I am so sorry that I was not specific enough for you, still says something about the party...
Oh by the way what is my "agenda"... have respect for the soldiers that have fought and died for you... I would not classify that as an "agenda", but what ever...
Oh by the way what is my "agenda"... have respect for the soldiers that have fought and died for you... I would not classify that as an "agenda", but what ever...
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Sean D- just a clarification- there are some among us who truly believe that the deaths are NOT for "us", they are for nothing, and this sad fact is why there's so much stubbornness in this discussion
Some of us simply believe that the whole "Afghan Mission" is a pointless waste of time, money and lives- I am quite sorry for those who have died, to be sure, BUT I in no way have to honour their deaths as a "sacrifice for the common good"- I see their deaths as a pointless tragedy, and if that is somehow disrespectful, it is only because of fundamental differences in points of view...
Some of us simply believe that the whole "Afghan Mission" is a pointless waste of time, money and lives- I am quite sorry for those who have died, to be sure, BUT I in no way have to honour their deaths as a "sacrifice for the common good"- I see their deaths as a pointless tragedy, and if that is somehow disrespectful, it is only because of fundamental differences in points of view...
yeah it does. there's a party that's still willing to honour the democratic process. at least they haven't tried to corner the market on muzzles.
there's nothing wrong with not being satisfied with the mission in its current configuration. being otherwise is more of a disservice to our military than anything else.
