How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

L Gilbert

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I don't hunt much any more. I don't fish as much as I'd like. There are a myriad of minerals around here. Haven't done that for a while. Need mineral rights to be able to go on people's properties so I stick with my own property because I don't feel up to invading other's spaces. I have my mineral rights here which is enough.
 

look3467

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I don't hunt much any more. I don't fish as much as I'd like. There are a myriad of minerals around here. Haven't done that for a while. Need mineral rights to be able to go on people's properties so I stick with my own property because I don't feel up to invading other's spaces. I have my mineral rights here which is enough.

How about solar power, do you have any solar panels. Is your house all electric?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

marygaspe

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That's right. You said it yourself, if anyone knew what you were talking about, there'd be no discussion. People are still here. So you are basically here to post things to yourself because I doubt many know what you are talking about. Like I said earlier, you don't explain things worth a hoot.

He certainly knows how to pop in reams of quotations from the Scriptures though! In between his "I, ME" declarations.
 

marygaspe

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What that God gives to each a degree of knowledge? What have I to do with that? That's God's doing not mine!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

God's doing? No dear one, it is YOUR doing. You openly announce that you are spiritually more advanced than half the planet. do not suggest even for one second that God gave you this message of arrogance.
 

m_levesque

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Jesus trashes no one, nor do I. Just because you don't yet understand, doesn't mean you are being trashed.
And Jesus does talk to us via His Holy Spirit.

Get yourself alone in a room with your bible. Start reading it and ask Jesus to give you understanding. And He will. Meditate on His love and you will be blessed!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
"Humility, by preference, always goes clad in scarlet and gold. Pride refuses to let scarlet and gold please it too much."
--G. K. Chesterton.


"Self is the Gorgon. Vanity sees it in the mirror of others, and is saved. Pride looks at it straight on, and is turned to stone."

9 times out of 10, when someone tries to move beyond vanity, they move into spiritual pride--the sin of Satan. "Oh," they say, haughtily, "I'm so far beyond caring what others think of me." What they generally don't mention is, God counts as one of those "others" whose opinion they don't care about.
 

m_levesque

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God's doing? No dear one, it is YOUR doing. You openly announce that you are spiritually more advanced than half the planet. do not suggest even for one second that God gave you this message of arrogance.


He even places himself above the Holy Father. Somehow that is the most amazing thing for me. Like the Pope is not as spiritually advanced as look is. It truly is an interesting and vain statement to support.
 

marygaspe

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He even places himself above the Holy Father. Somehow that is the most amazing thing for me. Like the Pope is not as spiritually advanced as look is. It truly is an interesting and vain statement to support.

Waste of time, he'll only spend twenty minutes writing a revolving post laced with Bible quotes which, in essence, will say that you, me, The Pope, the entire clergy of all the denominations on the planet, and possibly even the Dhali Lhama does not posses the spiritual wisdom as him because he added up all the numbers in the Bible and they added up to AJ is as good as it gets!
 

csanopal

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Better idea, just get by your self and read the bible. Wack! The Holy Spirit will address the concerns of your heart.
Knowledge has been gathering for thousands of years, and each generation contributes new knowledge to the other. Always progressing to that perfect state.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
If you believe, as many Protestants do, that man is totally corrupt and depraved, no purification is possible. However if you believe, as Catholics do, that we can be perfected and cleansed of our selfishness, then a purgation (Purgatory) is necessary.

It started with Martin Luther when he was ordained a priest in 1507. As a young man he struggled with sin, becoming convinced that his own sinfulness and guilt were so depraved that he was about to be struck down and cast into hell. We don't know what his sin was. If I had to guess I would speculate it was something sexual. The harder he tried to live a holy life by force of will, the further away he seemed to be from his heavenly goal.

In about 1513 he felt he had a mystical illumination which resolved his crisis. He could indeed have assurance of salvation despite his sinful depravity, because God would justify him by his faith in spite of his sin. The Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation with confession of sin and absolution were pointless. Having proclaimed his faith God no longer looked at his sin.

Luther began with the idea of God's justice, His saving righteousness, the gracious gift of salvation extended to us in Christ. Human merit pays no role. Man is, in fact, totally corrupt as is evident from concupiscence, the fermenting, restless egotism that vitiates human decisions at every level.

According to Luther, there is no Free Will. The human will is totally enslaved to sin and totally rebellious to God. It is only through faith that we appropriate the salvation that God has effected for us in Christ. For God does not impute to us this sinfulness once we confess it by faith, hate it, and seek to be healed of it.

Whatever righteousness we have then, according to Luther, is the righteousness of Christ imputed to us because of our faith. We are still, and will always remain, filthy rags.

It didn't help matters that Luther's time was one of the low points for the papacy, when prayers on behalf of the dead, to hasten their purification in Purgatory, were being sold to the highest bidder as a way of raising funds for temporal projects (the selling of indulgences). So Luther had two reasons to reject Purgatory: he believed that because humans were totally depraved no purification was possible, and he objected to the fund-raising methods of corrupt church officials.

You may not have known it, but Luther was responsible for the Dueterocanonical (Apocryphal) books being removed from the Old Testament. Luther objected to 2nd Maccabees 12:44-46, where prayers and a temple offering were made on behalf of Israelite soldiers who were killed in battle, then discovered to have been wearing amulets of Baal. Since this book specifically justified a doctrine he rejected, he reasoned that the book itself was to be rejected.

Something that significantly aided Luther's cause was the newly-invented printing press. Luther exploited it to its fullest potential to have his voice heard in every village and hamlet. __________________