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Oh.. and yes I'm somewhat familiar with Hades and Persephone, I did a bit of reading on the myths a while back.
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Oh.. and yes I'm somewhat familiar with Hades and Persephone, I did a bit of reading on the myths a while back.
You just shine! Satanism is NOT Paganism........not in definition. Your perfect post defines it well. Ive come across those that claim Wicca but spout of incantations with black candles! THAT is NOT Wicca. Wicca is accepting the Universe and Loving. When I have problems I call apon Goddess for clarity not retribution.
Personally I dont believe in dark magic It doesnt exist in my world.
I believe in dark magic. I also believe in the Threefold Law. That which you proscribe comes back to you threefold. Proscribe love, peace, understanding and tolerance and it will be returned to you threefold. Proscribe curses and the "black"arts and it will come back to you threefold.
Sounds like genuine wicca to me. My dad believes the same.. and come to think of it I do to, though not quite as elaborately explained. If you're good, good things will come. If you're bad, bad things will come.
Yes I understand your meaning and I see your point. There must be a balance. But in my personal practic if someone has hurt me to the core, I dont think any harm on that person I do a giveaway and a protection and ask Fae in showing that person clarity and justice. Id never askfor harm. Id rather cut off my arm!
I looked at the link and could not find one thing I agreed with. Except maybe "People have created Gods in many forms; pick one that might be useful to you." I have actually chosen three. This is more of a personal point of view on god and not a acceptance of Satanic mores. I believe that god is not fully known to humankind yet. May be one day science, philosophy or even faith may let us truly know the mind and will of god but till then I will place my cultural symbols on gad so as to make him/her more relevant to me.
I do not believe in magic from a hocus pocus abracadabra point of view. Magic is the realization of personal power through visualization and self control. My spiritual path encompasses many beliefs. Even some of the christian mores, stories and myths have value to me. But I totally reject Satanism.
We all have our own ways and beliefs. You said on another thread that our Paths are all personal. Would you ever tell someone their way is the wrong way? I dont think I could. I can say their way is not my way but that is as far as my ethics could allow.
I am far from perfect and have some very strong opinions. I can see myself telling some one their way is not the way. More likely to be reacting emotionally to what I perceive as a negative remark about my own spiritual path. Given time to think and cool down I probably would not. Satanism is very antithecal to many of my beliefs and even how I was raised as a child. Satanism pushes the envelope as much as possible for me to be understanding of it's mores and values. One of my pet peeves is the comparison of paganism, neo-paganism and New Age paths with Satanism. Satanist will tell you that the CoS predates neo-paganism and New Age beliefs. Ancient paganism has to be been a nature based system with gods and goddess representing aspects of nature, human nature and earth or cosmological nature. How can Satanism be placed with paganism when it rejects gods and goddesses in all forms?
My denial of Satanism may have more to do with trying to avoid conflict with christians, who hold strong views on Satan seeing as he personifies evil to them, than my belief that Satanism is fundamentally evil itself. Selfish yes, not necessarily evil as I reject the christian form of god and therefore their definiton of evil personified.
My denial of Satanism may have more to do with trying to avoid conflict with christians, who hold strong views on Satan seeing as he personifies evil to them, than my belief that Satanism is fundamentally evil itself. Selfish yes, not necessarily evil as I reject the christian form of god and therefore their definiton of evil personified.
Oh man this is one of those times when I hate this medium. Im so illiterate and I dont explain myself well. Let me try one more time.
By definition Satanism is NOT Pagan. Anyone saying it is is missinformed.
I personally do not know enough to make an intelligent post on satanism. El Barto is NOT a Satanist he was just sharing his limited knowledge of it. I personally have a web friend that IS Satanic he lives in Cuba and all my information comes from him.
In MY personal code I will not, could not tell anyone how to believe. It would be against EVERYTHING I hold dear to shun a person based on a term. If that person shows kindness and honour then I will be friendly with that person. Slay was the sweetest person he had a code of honour he upheld and he was a good friend. (hes gone missing as internet friends do)
In my eyes I am a piece of art in the works. Nothing in me does not sway with a giving wind. Like a sapling in a storm it must give to live. Thats me.
By definition Satanism is NOT Pagan. Anyone saying it is is missinformed.
I personally do not know enough to make an intelligent post on satanism. El Barto is NOT a Satanist he was just sharing his limited knowledge of it. I personally have a web friend that IS Satanic he lives in Cuba and all my information comes from him.
In MY personal code I will not, could not tell anyone how to believe. It would be against EVERYTHING I hold dear to shun a person based on a term. If that person shows kindness and honour then I will be friendly with that person. Slay was the sweetest person he had a code of honour he upheld and he was a good friend. (hes gone missing as internet friends do)
In my eyes I am a piece of art in the works. Nothing in me does not sway with a giving wind. Like a sapling in a storm it must give to live. Thats me.
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If? If we would look at a view of a creator, of all things, we would have to conclude that there is nothing that that creator could not redo, rehash, remake or subdue.
For after all this creator is the creator and nothing escapes Him. No power greater than Him self.
Now suppose that this creator decided to make something un-spiritual (seeming that He Him self is spiritual) say, a human being: of flesh.
Being that He creates all things perfect according to Him, since there is nothing or anybody to refute His creations.
He makes a clay vessel, call it man and according to Him, the clay vessel is perfect.
But then He says to Himself, how will this clay vessel know what good is, if I made Him perfect?
He thinks for a moment and then comes up with an answer. I know what I will do, I will create and “anti-me”!
I will call it the serpent, that old devil.
I will tell man that there is this tree in the garden called “the tree of knowledge and that He must not partake of its fruit.
Well, since the old serpent the devil is an agent for the creator, He chimes in as the serpent on the tree and entices man to eat of it’s fruit.
The serpent knowing the truth of the matter tells man the creator said: that the day man eats of the tree his eyes will be opened and will be like creator, to know good from evil.
Well, guess what? Man eats of the fruit of the tree and becomes as like the creator and now knows the difference between good and evil.
Now it is up to man to decide which path to take: the good route or the evil route.
Now that man knows all the lustful desires of the flesh, finds him self short of perfection and sees himself as been naked, or exposed to the truth of that matter.
And blames it all on the serpent, the devil: “He made me do it was the response”
When all that the devil was created for what to be an adversary of the creator for the purposes of showing mankind the difference between good and evil.
Evil is not an agent of the creator, just the adversary is. Evil is mans creation.
Evil in its self does no harm, but in the hands of man, evil can be disastrous.
Much like a gun does not kill, but man who pulls the trigger does.
Evil then is labeled as Satanic. A: devil.
I fear no evil, or Satan or the devil! Because I partook of the fruit and learned it’s nature.
I learned what evil is, and what it does if I practiced it, but instead I choose not to.
And the creator fixed it to where this weak clay vessel has power over the evil side by the creator himself empowering me.
If: a satanic worshiper does no evil to himself or to his fellow man, than that worshiper is not evil.
If: a pagan or anybody else for that matter does no evil to self or to mankind, than they are not evil people.
The creator intended for us to learn how to love in the face of adversity. (Adversary)
And only through suffering can we learn.
Love is of the creator and He is love.
All who love as He does are good people.
That creator is God!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
For after all this creator is the creator and nothing escapes Him. No power greater than Him self.
Now suppose that this creator decided to make something un-spiritual (seeming that He Him self is spiritual) say, a human being: of flesh.
Being that He creates all things perfect according to Him, since there is nothing or anybody to refute His creations.
He makes a clay vessel, call it man and according to Him, the clay vessel is perfect.
But then He says to Himself, how will this clay vessel know what good is, if I made Him perfect?
He thinks for a moment and then comes up with an answer. I know what I will do, I will create and “anti-me”!
I will call it the serpent, that old devil.
I will tell man that there is this tree in the garden called “the tree of knowledge and that He must not partake of its fruit.
Well, since the old serpent the devil is an agent for the creator, He chimes in as the serpent on the tree and entices man to eat of it’s fruit.
The serpent knowing the truth of the matter tells man the creator said: that the day man eats of the tree his eyes will be opened and will be like creator, to know good from evil.
Well, guess what? Man eats of the fruit of the tree and becomes as like the creator and now knows the difference between good and evil.
Now it is up to man to decide which path to take: the good route or the evil route.
Now that man knows all the lustful desires of the flesh, finds him self short of perfection and sees himself as been naked, or exposed to the truth of that matter.
And blames it all on the serpent, the devil: “He made me do it was the response”
When all that the devil was created for what to be an adversary of the creator for the purposes of showing mankind the difference between good and evil.
Evil is not an agent of the creator, just the adversary is. Evil is mans creation.
Evil in its self does no harm, but in the hands of man, evil can be disastrous.
Much like a gun does not kill, but man who pulls the trigger does.
Evil then is labeled as Satanic. A: devil.
I fear no evil, or Satan or the devil! Because I partook of the fruit and learned it’s nature.
I learned what evil is, and what it does if I practiced it, but instead I choose not to.
And the creator fixed it to where this weak clay vessel has power over the evil side by the creator himself empowering me.
If: a satanic worshiper does no evil to himself or to his fellow man, than that worshiper is not evil.
If: a pagan or anybody else for that matter does no evil to self or to mankind, than they are not evil people.
The creator intended for us to learn how to love in the face of adversity. (Adversary)
And only through suffering can we learn.
Love is of the creator and He is love.
All who love as He does are good people.
That creator is God!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
I don't know sounds like you haven't read up on satanism...I did and why its against christianity is because they totaly lied about it(the church). there is no evil, no sacrifice rituals and so on. they call them selfs satanist because they can't really call them selves Humanist. Why I'm so addamant on reading it is I grew up fearing that belief (thanks to you know what) and I was totaly lied to. 90% of it agrees with me that doesn't make me evil or want harm to any one thats NOT what it's all about!. I've read it didn't convert to it. I want to read the Koran doesn't mean I want to convert to that too. What I get is your putting it down without getting the full fact. Many fear reading it because inside they fear they will be damn in the eyes of GOD . Sorry but WAKE UP. Get the information first hand.
I don't think of myself as satanist but I am adamantly against the Catholic fait! That when looking at it through a microscope has holes in it. It's all lies. They did more Evil and harm in it's history all in the name of God. You want to talk about evil and deception, read up the history of the church ! Compair the two and then tell me who's really evil. Satanist will look quite inviting. In my other post of reasonable accomodations I do come down hard on the Jews and Muslims , I dont believe in institutional religions, but I'm still curious of what they're all about. There's something there to think about I'm sure. I found a lot of logic in Satanism , how read up. Ive also readup on Taoist and that too was an eye opener. What I'm against is preconcieved Ideas with no basis of truth to it. I really get mad when I go into something with preconcieved Idea and the truth is something totally different. I feel like I had been duped. I feel like I've been duped with the faith I was raised with growing up. A faith should not be or have any fear to it. If it is a true faith it will not need to change with the times for more acceptance. It should have a "positive" history to it. Not one with war and distroying other cultures.
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I am not adamantly against any faith. I have no fear from being damned in the eyes of "God". I assume you mean the God of the Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I do not believe in that god. I also reject Satanism. The whole selfishness of that faith I find abhorrent. There is so much more than self gratification and hedonism. Self gratification and hedonism have their place but on weekends for entertainment and blowing off steam not as a faith to be embraced or as a lifestyle. All major faiths even old dead pagan ones and associated empires waged war. The christian church just happens to be the latest one and the best documented. Fanatism is the enemy. I did read up on Satanism from the link you posted and it did not appeal to me in anyway shape or form. The link itself also seemed to cast the founder of the modern CoS in a not so legitimate light. neo-paganism I believe was born out of the old hippy commune movement. Back to nature, hug a tree, save Bambi, non-violence, reject authority/fanatism/and most other isms and love all god's creations. Sorry but I could not agree with anything on that page. If I react emotionally or very negatively to an attack on me or criticisim of my spriritual path it is because I am not a good pagan and am showing poor manners not because my faith tells me to lash out. Unless you are cornered and in real danger it is always best to walk even run from a fight. Violence is the last resort of the incompetent.
I find you fair minded and always polite. Your being hard on yourself.
What Im seeing is an exchange in ideas and knowledge, noones telling anyone you MUST swollow my way of thinking or my knowledge. Peole on our paths are usually open and accepting to others even if we dont believe in anothers faith or ideas. I have Mystic Christian Friends that I cant swallow their beliefs but I love them just the same.
Lass, you need to check out some of the virulent replies I have posted. I have my lack of manners moments. I hope to be able to follow your's and Mary's healing show and learn. I deleted a post of mine already that was going to rip someone a new one. oooommmmmmmmmm mane padre oooooommmmmmm, melloowwwwwwwwww
Lets see how I do in a few weeks when the meds kick in. I think it is part and parcel of emotional outbursts. We all get them. Some get mad some get sad.
Lets see how I do in a few weeks when the meds kick in. I think it is part and parcel of emotional outbursts. We all get them. Some get mad some get sad.
LOL But you had the fore thought to delete it
I get emotional and yell, rant and just carry on. But I watch you and Amber and I learn