Who pays for the Dion commercials(political )

[temperance]

do we pay for those Stephen DION bashing comm erials



I didn't ask the government to spend my money on a stupid bashing commercial ,actually I'm sick of this crap ,its time to start keeping our money ,away from the people who just throw it away (right in front of our faces )--

 

[MikeyDB]

Temperance

Greetings Temperance!

I don’t know if you were “around” CC for the protracted exchange in a thread titled “The sickness of Canadian Anti-Americanism”, but if you missed it… good for you.

Canadians have been inundated with Americanism in the form of entertainment and our (Canadian) news services have filled our newspapers and electronic media with the American perspective …forever.

The individual responsible for creating the thread I mentioned was interested it seems in generating as much self-loathing as possible for Canadians unprepared to throw their figurative arms around our American neighbors as “family”, clasping them to our bosom…. Nowhere throughout this exchange was the phenomenon of social self-identification addressed. I’m forced to speak in broad generalities because quite frankly, that thread approached the issue of Canadian disenchantment with the Canadian~American interrelationship as a broad generalization, to which many responded by pointing out that as individuals Canadians readily embrace Americans as friends while disappointed in the political and economic dynamics our proximity inevitably generates.

At a fundamental level, an American’s “self-view” is different than the Canadian self-view. Canadians retained their ties with the British Empire and we still pay (literally) for Britain’s official presence at the Canadian table of government and social structure. While that presence is significantly symbolic in nature, Canadians embrace their British heritage (and yes some are reluctant that this embrace continues) while Americans embrace the construct of their uniquely-special-and distinct-individuality-in-the-world.


Canadians have always felt themselves’ to be a part of the world-at-large as a seminal component of their self-ideation/identification.

Americans have energetically proclaimed their independence and celebrated the ‘individuality’ of each person, as a people and as a nation “un-beholden” to any and identify their independence as individuals and the independence of the American ‘collective’ as their greatest strength.

Americans are loathe to identify themselves as members of the community of mankind, and regard the necessary interrelationship with various nations of the world as an unavoidalbe evil, part of the price one pays for doing-business….

Canadians paying for poor government and underwriting Harper’s (and other politicians) personal attack-ads is one manifestation of the affects of American enculturation. In a land where “self”, where the independence and freedom of the individual is second only in importance to belief in god, the cult of personality is king. Harper, the Reform Party and the dogs-breakfast of “Conservative” self-identification that’s seen the party re-shaped and bounced around, stood on its head with much wailing and moaning, casting around to “find-itself” like some prepubescent diva on steroids finds itself enamored not only with Yankee dollars but the plum of independence from the stale vestiges of a failing British Empire.

“Attack-ads” are as political device,… not new by any means but the Harper adolescence, eager to curry favour among investor-type Americans demonstrates his own sychophantic urges. A man supposedly interested in elevating the practice of government in Canada, rescuing the Canadian identity from the morass of corruption and filth known as the Liberal Party and the Liberal governments monumental failings of the past fifteen years combines the very-American new-age “license” for pre-emptive assault in the name of peace… ads long before an election is called…coupled with the American penchant for the cult of personality, that encourages definition of the individual as appropriate and “strategic” target… to blaze new trails to the bottom of the very respectability he so robustly campaigned to return to Canadian politics.

 

[Avro]

do we pay for those Stephen DION bashing comm erials



I didn't ask the government to spend my money on a stupid bashing commercial ,actually I'm sick of this crap ,its time to start keeping our money ,away from the people who just throw it away (right in front of our faces )--

The conservative party paid for these ads not the government.

 

[Colpy]

The conservative party paid for these ads not the government.

That is correct.

The anti-Dion ads are paid for by the Conservative Party of Canada, who have been on a real fund-raising drive to pay for them.

I helped.

So I guess you can blame me.

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

No blame my friend...You support the American position on Israel, you support the American action in Iraq and Afghanistan...you support the Conservative...wizard behind the green curtain...everyone is free to make their own decisions and mistakes....

 

[Avro]

You shouldn't be proud of these ads.

I hope the Libs seek higher ground on this but judging from what they did last time i have my doubts.

 

[mabudon]

same here with the hopin, avro

I find these ads and what they portend kinda sickening, no matter who's payin for 'em, I REALLY hope that the bad taste they leave on the entire political universe does some kind of damage to the "mean-en-ing" we've seen in North American politics in general

Dions comments yesterday were spot-on in my book- I almost think there should be some kind of legal recourse when the "ruling" party actually seeks to impugn the actual elected leader of the opposition (especially in a non-election time)

This stupid trend should be called out for what it is and nipped in the bud

 

[MikeyDB]

Addendum for Colpy: It would be nice to believe that the Conservative Party paid for those ads...with your dollars.. but convincing Canadians that the Conservative party isn't just as rife with corruption and potential to abscond with taxpayer money just as readily as their Liberal foil...well, I've been living with the junior conservatives of Dalton McSrewyou for long enough to appreciate that if a Conservative...whether that's Mike Harris or Ernie Eaves...can "make-a-deal" to pad the wallets of businessmen and supporters...they'll expend very little energy over troubling themselves with the idea of where that money comes from....

Must be nice to have enough money to thow it away breaking the promise of "integrity"...so loudly championed by the Harper cbal...

 

[darkbeaver]

I have not seen the latest attack adds only read of them, they are the lowest expression
of ideals, I hope the other partys are smart enough to avoid the practice. At the same time I hope Harper continues to use them, it will demonstrate what kind of rotten crap leads this country.:wave:

 

[Colpy]

Well, they say attack ads work.......and I'm tempted to believe it.

Used to be, I had nothing against Mr. Dion.......but since he was elected leader of the Liberals he has shown his true Liberal colours......

I was disappointed, and angered by his attack on the gov't over Kyoto..........which he full well knows is IMPOSSIBLE to meet without either wrecking the Canadian economy OR sending billions off to China. Of course, the increase in emissions that make the Kyoto targets so difficult occured under which government? That of the Liberals, of course.

So much for integrity.

Then he indicates he would like to see the Quebec Liberals deeply involved in the ADSCAM mess allowed to re-enter the party.......from which they were banned for "life"......well, the devil takes care of his own, I guess.

So much for the "new" Liberal Party.

I think the shine is coming off Mr. Dion pretty quickly.................

It should be noted that he is responsible for one of the very few things the Liberals did that I approve......the Clarity Act. Thanks, Stefan.......now, off to obscurity with you.

 

[MikeyDB]

What shine Colpy?

He's a theiving liar just like Canadians love to diss....and derserving of it just as the rabble of big-talking-do-nothing Conservatives...Liberals and NDP...have done for generations...

It's really easy to sit back as the "loyal opposition" and throw monkey wrenches into the machinations of the sitting power....the game of leadership and pomp and ceremony....played by all the low-lifes and con-men Canadians have had the "pleasure" of electing to office since the first conservative screwed over the Chinese and the Native North Americans when the Dominion of Canada dimmed the rising sun....

Crap ...all of it...

 

[BitWhys]

We pay the exact same form of opportunity cost by way of tax deductions the Conservatives so proudly claimed to be excluding us from when they were excusing their own failed effort to skirt the political contributions laws by not reporting their 2005 convention revenues.

So it turns out that in the Conservative way of thinking the formation of party policy is not worthy of our collective financial support but advertising is.

 

[Colpy]

We pay the exact same form of opportunity cost by way of tax deductions the Conservatives so proudly claimed to be excluding us from when they were excusing their own failed effort to skirt the political contributions laws by not reporting their 2005 convention revenues.

So it turns out that in the Conservative way of thinking the formation of party policy is not worthy of our collective financial support but advertising is.

Somehow I doubt you are a fellow contributor to the Conservative Party of Canada.

Which raises an interesting point.

How many of you out there are members/contributers to political parties?

I don't care which one, I'm just interested in participation rates.

 

[BitWhys]

...Somehow I doubt you are a fellow contributor to the Conservative Party of Canada...

one of these days I'll make a comment in this forum without the first responder having to make it about me and wonder if I'm starting to lose my touch.

You DO know what an opportunity cost is and how it applies to the calculation of tax deductions, no?

 

[Avro]

Well, they say attack ads work.......and I'm tempted to believe it.

Used to be, I had nothing against Mr. Dion.......but since he was elected leader of the Liberals he has shown his true Liberal colours......

I was disappointed, and angered by his attack on the gov't over Kyoto..........which he full well knows is IMPOSSIBLE to meet without either wrecking the Canadian economy OR sending billions off to China. Of course, the increase in emissions that make the Kyoto targets so difficult occured under which government? That of the Liberals, of course.

So much for integrity.

Then he indicates he would like to see the Quebec Liberals deeply involved in the ADSCAM mess allowed to re-enter the party.......from which they were banned for "life"......well, the devil takes care of his own, I guess.

So much for the "new" Liberal Party.

I think the shine is coming off Mr. Dion pretty quickly.................

It should be noted that he is responsible for one of the very few things the Liberals did that I approve......the Clarity Act. Thanks, Stefan.......now, off to obscurity with you.

You've shown me how much you don't know.

 

[Avro]

Somehow I doubt you are a fellow contributor to the Conservative Party of Canada.

Which raises an interesting point.

How many of you out there are members/contributers to political parties?

I don't care which one, I'm just interested in participation rates.

I don't willingly give to any party and I won't be stuck supporting anyones ideology because I feel I have to.

 

[darkbeaver]

Economic development in diverse alternative energy programs would actually stimulate the economy
the pricks whineing about the economic damage are the entrenched interests, who will fight any progress right down to the last fish and tree. Koyoto is a first step, it's an article of understanding.
What's the goddamn economy going to be like on a dead planet?:wave:

 

[BitWhys]

...
What's the goddamn economy going to be like on a dead planet?:wave:

In its glory untouched by human hands. I thought you knew that already.

 

[Colpy]

Economic development in diverse alternative energy programs would actually stimulate the economy
the pricks whineing about the economic damage are the entrenched interests, who will fight any progress right down to the last fish and tree. Koyoto is a first step, it's an article of understanding.
What's the goddamn economy going to be like on a dead planet?:wave:

The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

Sqwauk!

 

[BitWhys]

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You DO know what an opportunity cost is and how it applies to the calculation of tax deductions, no?

and lets not forget the $1.75 a vote annual stipend. so yes. collective support.