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Psychics and Witches: What Scripture Says
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View the hugs thread, I hope it lightens your spirit a little. I think you need it more than any of us do at the moment.
Well that was quite Catholic of you. Just follows along in tune with the rest of what you post.
Why is it you feel it is ok to post articles that you know will insight responses in indignation from one side, and intolerance from the other, then get upset when called on it?
byw, lovely language for a man of the clothe I must say!
Why is it you feel it is ok to post articles that you know will insight responses in indignation from one side, and intolerance from the other, then get upset when called on it?
byw, lovely language for a man of the clothe I must say!
Daniel, was a great prophet of God, yet his political position was that of Chief Magician in Nebuchadnezzar's court (Daniel 5).
The Greek word 'magoi' from which the word 'magic' is derived is literally translated 'wise man' and is used to describe the men of the east who brought gifts to the Christ Child.
From the point of view of adherents of Fundamentalist Christianity, the terms "magic" and "wizardry" connote practices involving collusion with devils, demon-gods, or Satan himself, and this has inspired persecution of those seen as practicing magic, most notably during the witch trials of early modern Europe. In this sense, the term 'magic' is typically outdated, although in the direct quotation of religious scripture it may have some limited usage in modern times.
The aforementioned outdated ethnocentric view of degrading magic is still quite common in modern scholarship. In attempting to define magic in relation to religion, a dichotomy of the two ensures the separation of them. One particular scholar that established a dichtomy in the early twentieth century was that of Marcell Mauss. In Mauss' A General Theory of Magic'', Mauss distinguished the two from one another with the use of a comparative analysis in order to better define what magic is and is not. By associating magic with more primitive societies and religion with more technologically advanced peoples, a clear trend of ethnocentrism was established in the studies of defining magic and religion. The definition of magic and religion are constantly changing, for the ongoing debate on the relationship between the two has begun to include a hyphenated version of magico-religious.
Medieval authors, under the control of the Church, confined their magic to compilations of wonderlore and collections of spells. Albertus Magnus was credited, rightly or wrongly, with a number of such compilations. Specifically Christianised varieties of magic were devised at this period. During the early Middle Ages, the cult of relics as objects not only of veneration but also of supernatural power arose. Miraculous tales were told of the power of relics of the saints to work miracles, not only to heal the sick, but for purposes like swaying the outcome of a battle. The relics had become amulets, and various churches strove to purchase scarce or valuable examples, hoping to become places of pilgrimage. As in any other economic endeavour, demand gave rise to supply. Tales of the miracle-working relics of the saints were compiled later into quite popular collections like the Golden Legend of Jacobus de Voragine or the Dialogus miraculorum of Caesar of Heisterbach.
Christian legend and myth also found fertile ground in the practices of http://www.britannica.com/memberloginalchemy. Through the perfection of metals the alchemists sought their own perfection and, indeed, the salvation of all matter. Through the mysterious and great work (magnum opus) of alchemy the alchemist dissolved, then fused, his own physical matter and spirit with the prime matter of the universe.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Science, notwithstanding, is at the basis of Magic, as at the root of Christianity there is love, and in the Gospel symbols we find the Word Incarnate adored in His cradle [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Three Magi, led thither by a star--the triad and the sign of the microcosm--and receiving their gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, a second mysterious triplicity, under which emblem the highest secrets of the Kabalah are allegorically contained. Christianity owes therefore no hatred to Magic, but human ignorance has ever stood in fear of the unknown. The science was driven into hiding to escape the impassioned assaults of blind desire: it clothed itself with new hieroglyphics, falsified its intentions, denied its hopes. Then it was that the jargon of alchemy was created, an impenetrable illusion for the vulgar in their greed of gold, a living language only for the true disciple of Hermes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Extraordinary fact! Among the sacred records of the Christians there are two texts which the infallible Church makes no claim to understand and has never attempted to expound: these are the Prophecy of Ezekiel and the Apocalypse, two Kabalistic Keys reserved assuredly in heaven for the commentaries of Magian Kings, books sealed as with seven seals for faithful believers, yet perfectly plain to an initiated infidel of the occult sciences.[/FONT]
The Greek word 'magoi' from which the word 'magic' is derived is literally translated 'wise man' and is used to describe the men of the east who brought gifts to the Christ Child.
From the point of view of adherents of Fundamentalist Christianity, the terms "magic" and "wizardry" connote practices involving collusion with devils, demon-gods, or Satan himself, and this has inspired persecution of those seen as practicing magic, most notably during the witch trials of early modern Europe. In this sense, the term 'magic' is typically outdated, although in the direct quotation of religious scripture it may have some limited usage in modern times.
The aforementioned outdated ethnocentric view of degrading magic is still quite common in modern scholarship. In attempting to define magic in relation to religion, a dichotomy of the two ensures the separation of them. One particular scholar that established a dichtomy in the early twentieth century was that of Marcell Mauss. In Mauss' A General Theory of Magic'', Mauss distinguished the two from one another with the use of a comparative analysis in order to better define what magic is and is not. By associating magic with more primitive societies and religion with more technologically advanced peoples, a clear trend of ethnocentrism was established in the studies of defining magic and religion. The definition of magic and religion are constantly changing, for the ongoing debate on the relationship between the two has begun to include a hyphenated version of magico-religious.
Medieval authors, under the control of the Church, confined their magic to compilations of wonderlore and collections of spells. Albertus Magnus was credited, rightly or wrongly, with a number of such compilations. Specifically Christianised varieties of magic were devised at this period. During the early Middle Ages, the cult of relics as objects not only of veneration but also of supernatural power arose. Miraculous tales were told of the power of relics of the saints to work miracles, not only to heal the sick, but for purposes like swaying the outcome of a battle. The relics had become amulets, and various churches strove to purchase scarce or valuable examples, hoping to become places of pilgrimage. As in any other economic endeavour, demand gave rise to supply. Tales of the miracle-working relics of the saints were compiled later into quite popular collections like the Golden Legend of Jacobus de Voragine or the Dialogus miraculorum of Caesar of Heisterbach.
Christian legend and myth also found fertile ground in the practices of http://www.britannica.com/memberloginalchemy. Through the perfection of metals the alchemists sought their own perfection and, indeed, the salvation of all matter. Through the mysterious and great work (magnum opus) of alchemy the alchemist dissolved, then fused, his own physical matter and spirit with the prime matter of the universe.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Science, notwithstanding, is at the basis of Magic, as at the root of Christianity there is love, and in the Gospel symbols we find the Word Incarnate adored in His cradle [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Three Magi, led thither by a star--the triad and the sign of the microcosm--and receiving their gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, a second mysterious triplicity, under which emblem the highest secrets of the Kabalah are allegorically contained. Christianity owes therefore no hatred to Magic, but human ignorance has ever stood in fear of the unknown. The science was driven into hiding to escape the impassioned assaults of blind desire: it clothed itself with new hieroglyphics, falsified its intentions, denied its hopes. Then it was that the jargon of alchemy was created, an impenetrable illusion for the vulgar in their greed of gold, a living language only for the true disciple of Hermes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Extraordinary fact! Among the sacred records of the Christians there are two texts which the infallible Church makes no claim to understand and has never attempted to expound: these are the Prophecy of Ezekiel and the Apocalypse, two Kabalistic Keys reserved assuredly in heaven for the commentaries of Magian Kings, books sealed as with seven seals for faithful believers, yet perfectly plain to an initiated infidel of the occult sciences.[/FONT]
Perhaps science was the basis for some beliefs, but that's no fault of its own and mysticism or magic has no place in science.
Chris I know that pain. I tore up my garden the day my mom died. I was so agry I screamed at god I tore up my creation. Your angry and sad and I dont care that you hate everything I am. Im holding you right now. Holding you in this place where you feel apart. Your in our hearts. Feel the true love that a community can give. Know your held in comfort by everyone here.
No, I'm making it up..sh*t...excuse me for being human.,..that's it..I'm done for the night. go right ahead and dump some anti-Catholic crap on me...have fun.
Thank you, but I doubt anybody here gives a flying f**k. Probably a great many quite happy to see me suffering......better not stay on any longer......thank you.. It was very kind of you.
If I have caused you any further hurt tonight you have my deepest apologies. I lost both my folks way to early to heart attacks and a brother at 38. I feel your pain. My sympathies to you and your family and all my best wishes. Again I apologize. I did not realize. Sorry.
Umm, sanctus, if that is indeed true, then my prayers go out to you and your family.
But with all due respect, you just bitched about the "anti Catholic crap" in an "anti Non Catholic religion crap" that you posted. Does the word hypocracy mean anything to you?
Other then that, go in peace.
Stop that. Your much respected here. Now look you can stay here with us and tell us about you Mom or go make some tea and light a candle. I'll light one here.
Actually, I don't give one of those things what you said, but I do give sympathies as my post in another thread would show. Anyway, again you have my sympathies and I hope things smooth out for you sooner rather than later, CG.
ya ya ya, I know. My low IQ just got burned, lmao!!!
So that somehow justifies such a lack of preistly conduct??
My my how you sway with the wind though, its ok for sanctus to feel pain, but selfactivated is just seeking attention. Hypocrit!!!
Not another unkind word! This isnt realtime and people need to catch up! NOT ANOTHER UNKIND WORD!
Have respect!
Have respect!
It's a hard road Sanctus I believe you have the strength to travel it though. On this road you will meet solitude and privation, embrace them they will comfort you as a blanket. Humility is one of the blocks
you must lift into place on your shoulders, silence is golden, learn this and you may survive. I don't think an internet ministry will work but you obviously do. Oh well what can a man of faith expect?:wave:
you must lift into place on your shoulders, silence is golden, learn this and you may survive. I don't think an internet ministry will work but you obviously do. Oh well what can a man of faith expect?:wave:
Actually you can keep that apology, you were right , I was wrong, but I editted my post after you quoted it. You may want to take a look at the edited version.