Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil

Ariadne

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i cant believe how many of you old people smoke weed, and you wonder why my generation is so messed up...wow

Hey, I'm just saying live and let live. If people want to smoke it and they're not hurting anyone ... let them. I have to admit that I did try it once, but I didn't inhale.
 

Ariadne

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yeah right. its our fault you old people do dope and than wonder why we are all messed up. totally unreal.

Am I reading this right? You want to blame someone else for your behavior? That sounds like something a teenager would say, not an adult. Adults have come to terms with the fact that they alone are responsible for their behavior, feelings, actions, lot in life and the related consequences. I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that adults of some specific age group are responsible for your failings.

Furthermore, if you do want to blame some specific age group for the failings of some other specific age group, let's blame Bugs Bunny and his creator. Those cartoons are indeed amongst the most violent ever produced. Pot heads probably became pot heads because they wanted to escape the violence of cartoons ... come to think of it, that's probably what screwed up your generation too ... except you haven't realized it yet - try pot and you too may take responsibility for the screwed-uppedness of ... if you try it, you may like, Sam I Am, Green Eggs and Ham. Don't let the cartoons doom you to a life of screwed-uppedness!
 

Vereya

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i cant believe how many of you old people smoke weed, and you wonder why my generation is so messed up...wow

You've been advised to go back to school - yes, it is a good idea :) But I would advise you to wait till you are out of school, see life, learn a couple of life's lessons, and only then make such bold statements. At your age it is a little bit too early to speak for the whole of your generation - you probably know it and its problems as represented by your classmates and a bunch of neighborhood kids. It's not the whole of your generation, girl.
 

Vereya

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I have no issues with organically grown, relatively low-grade pot. I smoke it every now and then myself. Mind you, the stuff I've got is so low dose, all it does is relax you and put you to sleep - which is exactly what I use it for. My mother grows it, and she is a very trustworthy person, lol.

I don't think I'd ever buy it from a person I didn't know really well and trust. There's so much crap they put in it nowadays, it's no surprise when somebody who claims they only smoked pot overdoses on ecstacy. I do not agree with people who smoke it constantly just for a high. I do not think people, who are in school and still underage should be smoking it, there is no excuse for that irresponsibility. The same can be said about drinking and smoking cigarettes.

You are lucky to have such a great Mom! :) I wish my Mom would give up tomatoes, and turn to more exciting plants. :)
 

Vereya

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it's interesting to note that in a place with a higher-than-average IQ, ie here, there seems no doubt that marijuana should be legal. Is the government stupid or trying to make money, or both?

The government is not stupid at all. The thing is that such substances as marijuana and most psychedelics expand people's consciousnes and make them see things in a new light and think, really think for themselves. As a consequence, such a person becomes harder to manage, and harder to rule, because he won't accept everything he is told as being true and right. Substances are banned in the society to make the society as a whole easier to manage.
 

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Am I reading this right? You want to blame someone else for your behavior? That sounds like something a teenager would say, not an adult. Adults have come to terms with the fact that they alone are responsible for their behavior, feelings, actions, lot in life and the related consequences. I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that adults of some specific age group are responsible for your failings.
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You should be made aware that Maple is a teenager in high school:)
 

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The government is not stupid at all. The thing is that such substances as marijuana and most psychedelics expand people's consciousnes and make them see things in a new light and think, really think for themselves. As a consequence, such a person becomes harder to manage, and harder to rule, because he won't accept everything he is told as being true and right. Substances are banned in the society to make the society as a whole easier to manage.

Oh come on! That is the biggest load of BS I've read about this topic in this thread. You bring drugs up to the level of some sort of religious experience where our eyes would be opened through using them. The government would probably prefer us all stoned, because we'd be far easier to manage.Drugs don't do anything for you except make you high.
 

Vereya

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Oh come on! That is the biggest load of BS I've read about this topic in this thread. You bring drugs up to the level of some sort of religious experience where our eyes would be opened through using them. The government would probably prefer us all stoned, because we'd be far easier to manage.Drugs don't do anything for you except make you high.

I don't know just how well you know this issue, but I can tell you that some substances, I mean psychedelic substances, are a religious experience, and a very powerful means of altering yourself (I mean your self in your normal consciousness) in a way that you see fit. It is a huge power that should in no way be underrated. It all depends on the set and setting. If you use substances, or drugs, as you call them, just to get high, you will just get high, and that's it. Or you might even get yourself into very serious trouble, if you are too careless. But if you approach them in the right way, after the right kind of preparation, they can really help you improve, expand and grow. I remember when I was reading Castaneda while a student at the University, I was very perplexed by that fact that he based his teachings upon what he saw under the influence of psychedelics. And I used to think - it was just drug intoxication, how can he take all this in a serious way, it's not real, it's just a hallucination. Well, after I had my first trip, I realized that what you see and experience is in no way a hallucination. It is just as real as what you see in you day consciousness. And what you take back from your trips is a great help in everyday life.
By the way, it is not just my imagination. Shamans have been using these substances for centuries, and right now there exist certain cults in the christian religion that have taken up this practice. They use ayahuaska as their sacrament.
 

Tonington

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Drugs don't do anything for you except make you high.

Hmm, is that all they do? I thought they cured illness too. As Vereya has said, drugs are used by all sorts of cultures for religious enlightenment. Drugs are used everyday for more than just the high. Would you say you get high off drinking coffee?

I've dabbled in the halucinogenic drugs, I don't use them anymore because I don't like how my body feels afterwards, nor do I like using a drug which is concocted in dirty labs. A favorite quote of mine, Maynard Keenan from Tool said once, "If you don't think drugs have enhanced your life, go home and throw out all your music. All those artists, reeeaaall high on drugs", or something like that.
 

Ariadne

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The government is not stupid at all. The thing is that such substances as marijuana and most psychedelics expand people's consciousnes and make them see things in a new light and think, really think for themselves. <snip>quote]

Whoa ... that remark probably requires a link before it can be stated as fact. My observations are that people that use drugs lose their life drive and ambition. They are satisfied with going to a menial job, getting a little money and making themselves stupid with drugs. Analytical thinking is usually severely compromised. People on drugs have difficulty following directions and when they can't follow directions, they think it's funny. Long term drug users are fixated on the past ... ever met a 40 year old that is still talking/complaining about something that happened in high school and 10, 20 years ago? Drugs do that. Drugs cause people to lose their train of thought mid-sentence and generally speaking ... there is no expanded consciousness or new light, it's just a blanket of dullness that bores most people so much that they move on.

I think it is true that people on drugs are deluded and believe that their consciousness has expanded, but in reality it's nothing more than a confused illusion. They think for themselves in circles ... around and around and around.
 

Ariadne

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You should be made aware that Maple is a teenager in high school:)

Thanks. I guess I sort of suspected that when reading that one generation of people is responsible for the behaviors, thoughts and feelings of another generation. I say watch more Bugs Bunny and escape from the bad influences of the world.
 

Vereya

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Whoa ... that remark probably requires a link before it can be stated as fact. My observations are that people that use drugs lose their life drive and ambition. They are satisfied with going to a menial job, getting a little money and making themselves stupid with drugs. Analytical thinking is usually severely compromised. People on drugs have difficulty following directions and when they can't follow directions, they think it's funny. Long term drug users are fixated on the past ... ever met a 40 year old that is still talking/complaining about something that happened in high school and 10, 20 years ago? Drugs do that. Drugs cause people to lose their train of thought mid-sentence and generally speaking ... there is no expanded consciousness or new light, it's just a blanket of dullness that bores most people so much that they move on.

I think it is true that people on drugs are deluded and believe that their consciousness has expanded, but in reality it's nothing more than a confused illusion. They think for themselves in circles ... around and around and around.

Well, before we start the discussion in this direction, let us agree on the terms we use. :) Just what exactly substances do you mean when you say "drugs"? There exists a lot of mind-altering substances, some of which can be beneficial, and some - harmful. I will absolutely agree with every word you have said, when it comes to opiates, dissociatives, stimulants and this kind of substances. These kinds, indeed, are mostly harm, and they do turn people into what you have described.
But I will set psychedelic substances aside from the others, because... well, see the post above :)
By the way, do you, personally, have experience with substances?
 

Tonington

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Whoa ... that remark probably requires a link before it can be stated as fact. My observations are that people that use drugs lose their life drive and ambition. They are satisfied with going to a menial job, getting a little money and making themselves stupid with drugs. Analytical thinking is usually severely compromised. People on drugs have difficulty following directions and when they can't follow directions, they think it's funny. Long term drug users are fixated on the past ... ever met a 40 year old that is still talking/complaining about something that happened in high school and 10, 20 years ago? Drugs do that. Drugs cause people to lose their train of thought mid-sentence and generally speaking ... there is no expanded consciousness or new light, it's just a blanket of dullness that bores most people so much that they move on.

I think it is true that people on drugs are deluded and believe that their consciousness has expanded, but in reality it's nothing more than a confused illusion. They think for themselves in circles ... around and around and around.

This is just as much anecdotal as what Vereya said. That's the problem here (as far as the lighter drugs are concerned), for every user that abuses these drugs, there are users who defy that generalization. My father has puffed since he was a teenager, and is as vibrant as an early twenties man. He loves talking philosophically with my brother and I, he bounces hypotheses of us concerning our respective fields of study. He is definitely not made dumb by using drugs, really he doesn't even consume that much. He'd rather share a bowl from his pipe with us and chat than smoke a big blunt and get blazed to the point of zombification. That is really the limiting factor in his case as well as with most other pot smokers I know.