"These sort of people" The infidels, the heathens eh? Being a catholic makes you morally superior I ?
The New Paganism and the Culture of Death
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"These sort of people" The infidels, the heathens eh? Being a catholic makes you morally superior I ?
the weird thing is marygaspe, that we actually agree on some issues, problem is we go down different routes when it comes to reactions. If you disagree with something, you feel it should be banned, scorned, mocked or punished, whereas I am a live and let live kind of person
I guess I should be intolerant too! I have no patience with grown up people who worship a god they cant see and follow the words of a man they don't know! I see no reasoning in the people who follow directions like mindless sheep. I think this christian trend in society is very brainwashing and unproductive.
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here here, I couldn't agree more.
Really, we, the Native Canadians believed in a very simular set of beliefs, long before your Black Robes came and spread desease and pain in the name of your God. I believe as they did and I practice those beliefs daily. I served my country's Armed Forces, thus serving my country, I also own my own fairly successful business. So can yo explain how I'm a nutbar and an indecent humanbeing. I do not go around slapping others religious views. I'm happy to just live in peace, in my own religion. I sit here and read your hate and intolerance and wonder how it you, the kettle, can call me, the pot, black???
I and my fellow Pagans here, have made up nothing, most of our religion is older and has more physical, factual basis then yours. Have you ever heard of lay lines? Many of the anchient Pagan sites were built on them. Ever heard of the Pyramids? Laid out and built in the exact position of Orions belt. Ever heard of Sumaria and the Sumaritans? Described the Planets in colour, long before Christians realized that Earth was round and did infact orbit the sun. Oh ya, they also wrot e the book of creation. Good thing your religion has been as on the ball as ours.
I think I'll just label you a fascist, it suits you best, measured by your commentary.
LOL!!! A Christian complianing about another religion hurting people. I have news for you hunny, more people have died at the hands of Christians, because they defied your ways, they under any other religion.
The only minds wasted around here, are those that ponder nothing and seek no more then is laid down by someone elses interpretation of the Holy Bible. Good to see you really know your mind.
Yes that is exactly what she is says. I once quoted this her saying that the Church didn't do enough to force its beliefs on everyone. No fascism there.
Only in the eyes of Catholics. There are good reasons for the seperation of Church and State. Several of them post CC.
Ever hear of pagans spitting at christians? Do pagans burn christian books and movies? Do pagans asassinate doctors? In the last thousand years have pagans burnt, tortured or murdered anyone?
This post make s more sense here than in the abortion thread which has deviated towards hate while this thread started as hate.
Excerpts from Hate Crimes and Jesus:
Standing Firm in Love
A Sermon by Pastor John © Sept. 1999 (revised 8-3-2006)
http://www.allfaith.com/Grace/hate.html
The teachings of Jesus have a lot to offer us in the area of hate and hate crimes. After all, he was an innocent victim of a terrible, fatal hate crime himself! Jesus was ridiculed, tortured and murdered because his religious and political belief did not match up with those of his people and the occupation government then ruling Palestine.
We sometimes want to "Do unto others before they do unto us." We are paranoid, afraid of what we don't understand and so we sometimes lash out. Sometimes when we feel insecure about who we are as individuals we "Do unto others as we think we deserve to have done unto us." By making someone else look "lower" we assume that we look "higher" by contrast. Sometimes we do this with cute little phrases like "There but for the grace of God go I" or one of my favorites, "I hate the sin, but I love the sinner!" Smug little phrases meant to elevate us in the esteem of others, and ourselves. Since I am better than you are, I must be OK! What nonsense!
Scripture says at Acts 17:26:
Someone might argue, "Yes, but we are not all alike and we have to watch out for "them!" "They" are not like "us." "We're" the good guys!
My dear Lord, how boring life would be without diversity! Yet "different" does not mean "dangerous!" Salt and pepper compliment each other! Night and day follow each other; high and low define each other. So too with the human family, our diversity gives us many flavors and alternatives. It makes us unique and interesting.
Jesus taught at Matthew 5:38-48:
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man
Where there is hatred,
Let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is error, truth;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, Joy.
O Divine Master grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled
As to console;
To be understood, as to understand;
To be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Excerpts from Hate Crimes and Jesus:
Standing Firm in Love
A Sermon by Pastor John © Sept. 1999 (revised 8-3-2006)
http://www.allfaith.com/Grace/hate.html
The teachings of Jesus have a lot to offer us in the area of hate and hate crimes. After all, he was an innocent victim of a terrible, fatal hate crime himself! Jesus was ridiculed, tortured and murdered because his religious and political belief did not match up with those of his people and the occupation government then ruling Palestine.
We sometimes want to "Do unto others before they do unto us." We are paranoid, afraid of what we don't understand and so we sometimes lash out. Sometimes when we feel insecure about who we are as individuals we "Do unto others as we think we deserve to have done unto us." By making someone else look "lower" we assume that we look "higher" by contrast. Sometimes we do this with cute little phrases like "There but for the grace of God go I" or one of my favorites, "I hate the sin, but I love the sinner!" Smug little phrases meant to elevate us in the esteem of others, and ourselves. Since I am better than you are, I must be OK! What nonsense!
Scripture says at Acts 17:26:
"From one person God made every nation of people, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and God determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live."
We are all sisters and brothers, children in the one human family. Someone might argue, "Yes, but we are not all alike and we have to watch out for "them!" "They" are not like "us." "We're" the good guys!
My dear Lord, how boring life would be without diversity! Yet "different" does not mean "dangerous!" Salt and pepper compliment each other! Night and day follow each other; high and low define each other. So too with the human family, our diversity gives us many flavors and alternatives. It makes us unique and interesting.
Jesus taught at Matthew 5:38-48:
"You have heard that it was said, `Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. God causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what are you doing more than others? Do not even unchurched do that?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. God causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what are you doing more than others? Do not even unchurched do that?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man
Where there is hatred,
Let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is error, truth;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, Joy.
O Divine Master grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled
As to console;
To be understood, as to understand;
To be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
The problem with Catholics is that they think they are "Holier than thou" which was taught to them by the Church. Intolerance has been the example of the Church or should I say the men of the Church. How many people have died in the name of the Church, the inquisition and the crusades. The Church was bias etc against other beliefs because it was afraid its teaching would not be accepted by the people. Therefore they had to scare the sh*******out of the people by inventing evils regarding other beliefs and bullying people into following them. It looks as if the insulting and bullying part is still flourishing. Seems to me Jesus taught tolerence and love, where is it.
For your question, look at verse 19. Jesus just gave Peter the Keys to Heaven. These Keys are a symbol of authority. Jesus also tells him that whatever he binds on earth will be bound in Heaven, etc. Peter has the authority to make infallible statements, such like Mary was born without the stain of original sin. Some of this binding and loosing is shared with the other apostles. This means that the Church (Roman Catholic) is hierarchal. The Pope (successor of Peter) has the most authority and is the only one who is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine (important to distinguish between this and other things, like who's gonna win the superbowl. In this case, the Pope is not infallible). Next up are the other Bishops. They have the power to ordain priests, and are the shepherds for their respective diocese. Priests have the least power. All three offices all share some of the powers however. The authority to forgive and retain sins, consecrating the Eucharist, and administer the Sacraments.
As the kids like to say-whatever, paganism is the tool of the devil, and pagans are the fools who fall into the evil trap. Only the Catholic church holds the truth,,everything outside of the Catholic church is false.
Some of the things outside the catholic church are reason, tolerance, beauty, love and the wisdom of trees.It is not the original evil trap but it is the biggest and the bloodiest. No one can fathom the misery poverty and death that have marked catholic history. It is particularly intolerant of women who it refuses to admit to the hierarchy, ever the slaves of christ never an officer of the order.Imagine professing love for an institution that considers them dirty and beneath contempt.:laughing7:
That is your opinion, not the facts. The priesthood is male only because Christ created it to be that way. We do not have the authority to change whatChrist commanded.
Actually in the original church both men and women conducted services (cathers) they were exterminated by the crew you love now. Christ had nothing to do with the formation of the church, I'm sure he would puke to see what has transpired in his name. Of course you are a slave of faith and know nothing of the truth, only the dogma of dirty old men.:laughing7:
Not sure I agree with that statement. The subjigation of women by men is well documented in many cultures and religions. The RC church does state that this is how JC set up the church but I am more inclined to think this was another b@stardization of his teachings than anything else. Mary Magdelene may certainly have been his wife or bedmate and may have even written either the fourth gospel (The Gospel of John) or written one suppressed by the early church as was a probable gospel according to Judas. Women as second class citizens is rampant in many cultures so I can't lay that at the feet of the RC's alone. Admittedly the Protestant sects do have a more enlightened attitude but even there we are yet to see a female Archbishop of Cantebury, Lincoln or York.
Nonsense. Christ did establish the priesthood. Please do not presume to tell me about the Church since you are obviously not Catholic. Let us assume we know our Church better than those outside of it.
Christ was dead for a long long time before the church existed in it's catholic form. Most catholics are ignorant of thier own origins and the formation of the church and the body of superstition they follow, much of it stolen from pagans. No we don't have to think that you know very much about the cult they follow.
Ignore thisMary. you were right, most non-Catholics create fantasies about Holy Mother Church because in their heart of hearts they know they are wrong.
It's like trying to yell through a closed door and the person on the otherside has deliberatley turned up the volume on the TV so as not to even hear you.
Why do you papist even bother to post if you are not willing to listen and discuss? Just put your fingers in your ears and say real loud "LALALALALA". You don't have to reply to every thread in the Christian Forum.
Mayhaps I should just limit my posts to "Whatever". Real mature and conducive to discussion and debate. I think I miss Sanctus. The sheep just stand and bleat without their shepard.
Why do you papist even bother to post if you are not willing to listen and discuss? Just put your fingers in your ears and say real loud "LALALALALA". You don't have to reply to every thread in the Christian Forum.
Mayhaps I should just limit my posts to "Whatever". Real mature and conducive to discussion and debate. I think I miss Sanctus. The sheep just stand and bleat without their shepard.
"Imagine professing love for an institution that considers them dirty and beneath contempt."
Some of the evangelical fundie groups out of the southern states may lay the balme of getting kicked out of Eden at Eve's feet but I do not think the RC church does.
http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR285.htm
Fundie evangelical crap
In conclusion, we need to learn from a study of the fall of Eve so that we can avoid a similar fall. Remember, she listened, looked, desired, sinned, attempted to hide, and blamed another.
http://www.a-voice.org/trivia/006.htm
probably closer to RC dogma
Who was in charge in Eden? Adam. Who was brought to Adam as his "helper" to "complement" him? (Gen2:18) Eve. Eve was not created, and then Adam brought to complement her. The way the societies and religions of the world function, with their 'mother' earth and 'goddess' worship, one would have thought that the woman was 'prime'. To whom did God give the command to not eat of that tree? The "man". (Gen2:16-17)
Some of the evangelical fundie groups out of the southern states may lay the balme of getting kicked out of Eden at Eve's feet but I do not think the RC church does.
http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR285.htm
Fundie evangelical crap
In conclusion, we need to learn from a study of the fall of Eve so that we can avoid a similar fall. Remember, she listened, looked, desired, sinned, attempted to hide, and blamed another.
http://www.a-voice.org/trivia/006.htm
probably closer to RC dogma
Who was in charge in Eden? Adam. Who was brought to Adam as his "helper" to "complement" him? (Gen2:18) Eve. Eve was not created, and then Adam brought to complement her. The way the societies and religions of the world function, with their 'mother' earth and 'goddess' worship, one would have thought that the woman was 'prime'. To whom did God give the command to not eat of that tree? The "man". (Gen2:16-17)
Now let me enlighten you on the history of your beloved church, Mary. And mind it, I am giving you straight facts, and not just my opinion. During the second oecumenical council, when your beloved church was very young and was yet unsure about what Jesus taught, and what he didn't teach, the priests discussed the question whether women have souls or not. Well, they decided that women do have souls, but that decision was reached with a very slight majority - less then ten voices, if I am not mistaken. And the reason for that decision was that women came to church more often, than men and that they brought more money to the priests. But for that, you would've officially been a soulless creature right now, Mary, not a human being at all, but a walking and talking reproductive organ.