Iran children - taught to HATE

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I must have missed that class...

But the classes i didn't miss taught me a flawed history of our Nation, taught me that we are created equal, that multiculturalism is worthy venture, that religion has its place, that just because we are all different, does not make us enemies, but rather the actions of those that would subjugate us and kill us for our beliefs, does.

Although I will have to admit I do tend to be critical of those that are not patriotic. Don't try and psyco-analys what I think is or is not patriotic, you have not the skills nor the knowledge to judge or determine who or what I am.
 

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So what is your opinion on this story BL?

Also what do you think about these stories?

Jesus Camp?

Is it just Iranians teaching their children hatred or teaching children to hate in general which offends you?

First, from your quote...

"Israeli school textbooks as well as children’s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks. "

A blatant generalization, based on facts. But still an unacceptable generalization.

As for Jesus camp. That thread died out because we were all in a concensus that those people were F**KED.

I like the pic of the lil Israeli kids signing the bombs, I love it when children take an active part in the defence of their Nation. As apposed to the terrorists that prefer to have their children blown apart in an attack on a Nation.
 

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How about a few quotes then?

...These books are published in serials of many volumes; all are about one subject, with slight variations: a realistic description of a small heroic Israeli child who arrives at the camp of the cowardly Arabs and defeats them. The following passage from the book "The Young Detectives in the Sinai Operation," is an example:

"'Who are you?' shouted the Egyptian guard. He came towards me out of the darkness. The Egyptian, a fellow with a thick dark moustache and cruel eyes, looked at the boy as a cat looks at a mouse who is in its claws. 'What is your name?' he asked. . . and a wolf's teeth showed under his black moustache. 'If you do not tell me your name, at once I will order ten soldiers to stick ten spears in your eyes!'

'If you do that, the commander of the Egyptian army in Sinai will hang you on the nearest electric pole,' answered Eli calmly.

The Egyptian officer became frightened.

'Why are you standing there so stupidly? Your house should be destroyed!' He shouted at the guard who watched Eli. 'Bring a car and I will take him to the commander of the Egyptian army.' During the drive, he did not stop threatening Eli that he would cross his fingers, burn his ears, cut his nose, extract his teeth, make him blind and take out his brain."...

...Ido Seter's book "Oz Yaoz and Pharaoh's crocodiles:
"The commander, Ramadan-eagle-nose and the head of the enemy's spies was sitting, laughing to himself, a devil's laughter. Ramadan-eagle-nose wiped his eagle nose with a pink handkerchief; then he opened his desk drawer and took out a glittering Damascene dagger. He stroked the dagger blade with his fingers, and thought to himself with delight that soon, when the final massacre would start, Israel would be shaken. In his imagination, he had already seen how he was travelling in an open car in Tel-Aviv, and all around him — rivers of blood."...

....the following is an example of basic Hebrew from my book 'Oz Yaoz:
''Have you ever heard, perhaps, about Salim Hagida? If you have not, listen carefully. He was cruel as a Chinese snake, bold as an Indian tiger, and cunning as a Syrian fox. And he was a criminal from birth. Already in his childhood, he was more like a robber than a normal child. He was born in Jaffa, and when he was two years old, he tore off his mother's ear with a bite. At the age of seven he threw a chair on his teacher's head, and told her that two plus two is five, and that she should not bother him, that idiot. At the age of ten, he pushed his uncle under a running car since he had nothing else to do at that moment. What is there to say. This nut developed quickly, and at the age of ten, he already had a gang of his own, and he himself liked to decide whom to murder and whom to rob.' And it goes without saying, of course, that the Egyptian espionage service recruits him."....

http://theunjustmedia.com/Israel hate literaures for children.htm


The above looks like racist hate propaganda for children to me.
 

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How about a few quotes then?

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The above looks like racist hate propaganda for children to me.
blah blah blah, same old same old I see, justify one with the other. Though you claim to be unbias and object, justifying one extreme with the mild wrongs of the other hardly show an example of such.

No where in ther did I see anything that promoted martyrdom via blowing up non combattant Arab's, whist they sipped latte's in a cafe.

You want a bigger stick to beat that dead horse?

Books from the world over depict wolves as a menace. So should that condone the wipespread hatred and murder of writers, by wolves?
 

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...I like the pic of the lil Israeli kids signing the bombs, I love it when children take an active part in the defence of their Nation. As apposed to the terrorists that prefer to have their children blown apart in an attack on a Nation.

I could write a response to this, but its already been done on this website:

Israeli children sign bombs ready for Lebanon
By Naman Crowe

Israeli children signing bomb ready for delivery to Lebanese civilian areas.

...Israel’s attacks on Lebanon and Palestine, along with the disproportionate civilian deaths and destruction she has wrought go beyond the meaning of self-defense and can only be regarded as state terrorism.

State terrorism, in the moral and logical sense, is far worse than plain old terrorism because it kills far more innocent civilians and causes far more infrastructural damage than plain terrorism ever could.

State terrorism causes more hate and brings about much more suffering, both immediately and over the years. It should be clear, both logically and morally, that terrorism – whether under the cover of government policy or hatched up in a dark cell or cave in the mountains – only begets more hate, more dehumanizing of ones enemies and more terrorism.

What else could have brought those smiles to the faces of the little Israeli children as they wrote their happy messages on the bombs and signed their names?


They must have been under the belief that the bombs had nothing to do with the killing of children like themselves. They must have been under the belief that the bombs were just for killing people who were not really human, but terrorist rats that needed killing....

http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/article_824.html

Those shells signed by Israeli children were then used against Lebanese children:

Here are the GRAPHIC IMAGES
http://www.downtownbeirut.com/Genocide/israel-genocide-in-lebanon.htm

I have a problem with encouraging children to participate in war crimes.
 

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I could write a response to this, but its already been done on this website:



Those shells signed by Israeli children were then used against Lebanese children:

Here are the GRAPHIC IMAGES
http://www.downtownbeirut.com/Genocide/israel-genocide-in-lebanon.htm

I have a problem with encouraging children to participate in war crimes.
Who said it was a war crime?

You?

Everything Israel does is a war crime to you.

They have a terrorist from "palestine" blow up a cafe, thus breaking the truce, Israel takes steps to cut off the suspected tunnel that was used by this person to gain access to Israel and you post a bias piece of TP, that claims Israel violated the truce by there actions.

Talk about unrealistic version of reality.

What was siad to me that you are to afraid to say. Or would you rather just send a little girl in a suicide vest in to my office trailer and wipe me and crew out, for my point of view?
 

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...Though you claim to be unbias and object, justifying one extreme with the mild wrongs of the other hardly show an example of such.

No where in ther did I see anything that promoted martyrdom via blowing up non combattant Arab's, whist they sipped latte's in a cafe....

Israeli racist hate literature for children portrays Arabs and Muslims as ignorant, bloodthirsty cowards bent on Israel's destruction. I think that's just as warped as the stuff B references in the first post in this string.

I posted examples of Israeli racist hate literature for children to make a point that B's outrage is selective.

Seems to me both you and B have a double standard when it comes to teaching children to hate.
 

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Israeli racist hate literature for children portrays Arabs and Muslims as ignorant, bloodthirsty cowards bent on Israel's destruction. I think that's just as warped as the stuff B references in the first post in this string.
If you removed the generalization, and applied that to the masses of asses, that do live in the area most targetted for retrobution, by the IDF, it is absolutely spot on.

As it stands, it's a generalization and therefore wrong. Close, but that only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades and cluster bombs.
I posted examples of Israeli racist hate literature for children to make a point that B's outrage is selective.
I wasn't out raged at it, it's of no suprise to me that either side has it adolesent propoganda machines in overdrive. But you are the only one, well ok, gopher to, but you seem to have a grasp on reality, tenuous, but a grasp none the less, that seem to miss the fact that no little Israeli children are running into cafe's and killing non combattants with suicide vests.
Seems to me both you and B have a double standard when it comes to teaching children to hate.
Yep it would seem, but only is sending kids to be fitted for suicide vests.

How come you never answer direct question, well rarely anyways?
 

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Who said it was a war crime?

You?....

No, Amnesty International and other Human rights organizations accuse Israel (and Hezbollah) of committing war crimes:

...Based on its research and analysis, including a review of Israeli interpretation of the laws of war, Amnesty International has concluded that Israeli forces committed serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, including war crimes. In particular, Amnesty International has found that Israeli forces carried out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks on a large scale. These include the sustained artillery bombardment of south Lebanon and, in particular, the widespread use of cluster bombs in civilian areas in the last days of the war.

As shown in an initial briefing published in August(118) and illustrated further in this report, such attacks also included those on civilian infrastructure -- for example, the bombing of the Jiyye power station which also caused massive environmental damage. In this context Israeli forces also appear to have carried out direct attacks on civilian objects, such as the destruction of factories and of the small port of al-Ouza’i and its fishing boats.

The attacks on the infrastructure, on objects indispensable to the survival of the population, as well as the air and sea blockade imposed throughout the war and beyond, seem to have been intended to inflict a form of collective punishment on Lebanon’s people, in order to induce them and the Lebanese government to turn against Hizbullah, as well as to cause harm to Hizbullah’s military capability.

Finally, based on the available evidence and in the absence of an adequate or any explanation from the Israeli authorities for so many attacks by their forces causing civilian deaths and destruction, when no evidence of Hizbullah military activities was apparent, it seems clear that Israeli forces consistently failed to adopt necessary precautionary measures. As seen in threats expressed in public statements by senior political and military leaders and in leaflets dropped into Lebanon, Israeli forces effectively considered any civilian travelling in south Lebanon as a military target, in flagrant violation of the principle of distinction. Any attack carried out in this context would have been an indiscriminate attack if not a direct attack against civilians.

In a briefing published in September 2006, Amnesty International looked into Hizbullah’s rocket bombardment of northern Israel and concluded that Hizbullah also committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes. In particular, the scale of Hizbullah’s rocket attacks on towns and villages in northern Israel, the indiscriminate nature of the weapons used, together with statements by Hizbullah’s leader, showed that Hizbullah carried out direct attacks on civilians as well as indiscriminate attacks and attacks on the civilian population as reprisal.

Hizbullah fighters also appear not to have taken necessary precautions to protect civilians in Lebanon from the effects of Israeli attacks. The evidence suggests that, in at least some cases, Katyusha rockets were stored within villages and fired from civilian areas, although the extent of such conduct is not clear. It is also not clear from the handful of examples made available by the Israeli authorities and other evidence whether civilians were present in buildings close to the firing areas. If Hizbullah fighters stored Katyushas in, or fired them from, close proximity to civilians in the hope of deterring Israeli attacks, this would amount to the war crime of using civilians as "human shields". The evidence available to Amnesty International does not substantiate the allegations that Hizbullah prevented civilians from fleeing, and in several cases points to the contrary...

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde020332006

I am unable to find evidence that Hezbollah had Lebanese children write on their bombs.
 

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I like your quote, not, it does not relate to what you had posted earlier.

Amnesty Int. is a flawed group and barely acknowledges the actions of the Hezbollah.

I have no doubt that you can or won't find any evidence of that, even if they did. But then again, they likely don't anyways, they're just happy having the IDF blast them to kingdom come after they fire rockets into Israel from behind schools, orphaniges and such, or they're just as happy if not more so to outright target children in Israel with them.

The sigies of Israel children, is hardly as outrageous as sending children to kill civilians on purpose.

I'll await your mass of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF cut and pastes now.

Why won't you answer my questions?
 

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If you removed the generalization, and applied that to the masses of asses, that do live in the area most targetted for retrobution, by the IDF, it is absolutely spot on.

As it stands, it's a generalization and therefore wrong. Close, but that only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades and cluster bombs....

you ... seem to miss the fact that no little Israeli children are running into cafe's and killing non combattants with suicide vests....

I posted direct quotes from racist Israeli hate literature for children. Those are an examples, not generalizations.

I can probably find just as many examples of anti-Arab/anti-Muslim hate literature for Israeli children as you can find examples of anti-Israeli hate literature for Arab/Muslim children.

I find all racist hate literate for children offensive. You only find specific racist hate literature for children offensive. That's called having a double standard.

I find some of what Palestinians teach their children offensive. But I find what the IDF teaches Palestinian children even more offensive:

United Nations Press Release
Israeli Gunfire Hits 11-Year Old Girl Sitting
at her Desk in an UNRWA School

A child sitting in the classroom of an UN-flagged school has been struck in the stomach by gunfire from an Israeli position in the Gaza Strip. This is the fourth such incident in under two years, last month an 11-year old girl died after being hit at her desk in Khan Younis.

At 10:45hrs this morning, two shots were heard from the direction of an Israeli army position on the border of the Gush Katif settlement block and overlooking Khan Younis refugee camp. One of the shots hit Ghadeer Jaber Mokheimer, a grade five pupil at UNRWA's Co-Ed Elementary D School.

Ghadeer was immediately taken to hospital and into emergency surgery. Her condition is currently reported as stable.

On September 7 this year, 10-year old Raghda Adnan Al-Assar was struck in the head by an Israeli bullet while sitting at her desk in UNRWA's Elementary C Girl's School in Khan Younis camp. She never regained consciousness and died on 22 September.

On June 1 this year, two ten-year old boys in UNRWA's Al-Umariye Elementary Boys' School in Rafah were hit by a bullet and ricochets from a Israeli tank stationed on the sand dunes opposite the school.

In March 2003, 12-year old Hoda Darwish was sitting at her desk when she was hit in the head by a bullet fired from an Israeli observation post on the outskirts of Khan Younis. The bullet struck her head and left her blind.

UNRWA has repeatedly called on the Israeli authorities to stop firing at schools. Israel routinely denies that its soldiers have been involved, or invokes the security requirements of its positions. Peter Hansen, UNRWA's Commissioner-General has demanded that such shootings must stop.

http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/99...a0408baf398f9b4285256f2b004f772b!OpenDocument

Here is an overview of IDF lessons for Palestinian children:

...According to an Israeli human rights group, the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in 2006 has trebled.

A total 660 Palestinians died this year, three times more than 2005. Of those killed 141 were children, and twenty-two were as the result of assassinations...

...As of November, 9,075 Palestinians were being held in Israeli jails. This number included 345 children, the human rights group said.

Of these, 738 (including twenty-two children) were being detained without trial and without knowing the charges against them, said B'Tselem.

During the year Israel demolished 292 houses in the occupied territories, 279 of them in the Gaza Strip. These were home to 1,769 people...

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=222714

Can you comment on these lessons CB?
 

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I posted direct quotes from racist Israeli hate literature for children. Those are an examples, not generalizations.
If that is in reply to this...

"As it stands, it's a generalization and therefore wrong. Close, but that only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades and cluster bombs."

I was referring to the Isreali propoganda. fyi.
 

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Did you check the author?

Steven Plaut is an idiot who writes stuff like this

"in spite of my regular calls for the army to shoot leftists"

http://www.zioncon.blogspot.com/

So this is the expert witness you invoke to criticize AI?
Do I really have to post all 24 links to prove that the UN, HRW and AI have show and expressed a bias so mant times, it has shattered their image among the truly unbiased, like myself, lmao.

Saran wrap watch dogs, that is all they are.
 

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Who said it was a war crime?

You?

Everything Israel does is a war crime to you.

They have a terrorist from "palestine" blow up a cafe, thus breaking the truce, Israel takes steps to cut off the suspected tunnel that was used by this person to gain access to Israel and you post a bias piece of TP, that claims Israel violated the truce by there actions.

Talk about unrealistic version of reality.

What was siad to me that you are to afraid to say. Or would you rather just send a little girl in a suicide vest in to my office trailer and wipe me and crew out, for my point of view?

If you removed the generalization, and applied that to the masses of asses, that do live in the area most targetted for retrobution, by the IDF, it is absolutely spot on.

As it stands, it's a generalization and therefore wrong. Close, but that only counts in horseshoes, handgrenades and cluster bombs.

I wasn't out raged at it, it's of no suprise to me that either side has it adolesent propoganda machines in overdrive. But you are the only one, well ok, gopher to, but you seem to have a grasp on reality, tenuous, but a grasp none the less, that seem to miss the fact that no little Israeli children are running into cafe's and killing non combattants with suicide vests.

Yep it would seem, but only is sending kids to be fitted for suicide vests.

How come you never answer direct question, well rarely anyways?

I like your quote, not, it does not relate to what you had posted earlier.

Amnesty Int. is a flawed group and barely acknowledges the actions of the Hezbollah.

I have no doubt that you can or won't find any evidence of that, even if they did. But then again, they likely don't anyways, they're just happy having the IDF blast them to kingdom come after they fire rockets into Israel from behind schools, orphaniges and such, or they're just as happy if not more so to outright target children in Israel with them.

The sigies of Israel children, is hardly as outrageous as sending children to kill civilians on purpose.

I'll await your mass of civilian deaths at the hands of the IDF cut and pastes now.

Why won't you answer my questions?

Sure as soon as you answer my question.
Lets play a game, shall we? Can you spot the question???
 

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Sure as soon as you answer my question.

I've read your posts patiently and tried to address what you write. But don't blame me for having difficulty deciphering your poor spelling and grammer. If you have a question... ask it clearly and end it with a question mark.
 

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Do I really have to post all 24 links to prove that the UN, HRW and AI have show and expressed a bias so mant times, it has shattered their image among the truly unbiased, like myself, lmao.

Saran wrap watch dogs, that is all they are.

No just one link from a reputable source.

BTW, links to people whose opinions also include shooting leftists probably aren't reputable.
 

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I've read your posts patiently and tried to address what you write. But don't blame me for having difficulty deciphering your poor spelling and grammer. If you have a question... ask it clearly and end it with a question mark.
Well seeing as you have no platform and have now resorted to pointing out my spelling and grammer. I will bid you adue as the asshat you are. There are three posts in my last post, all quite clear to the intellegent and well round person living in reality, if you can not or are unable to understand english, the feeling is yours.

When you have anything other then BS to use as a platform PM me. Until then **** ***!

TTFN