Call for a Peaceful End to Zionism

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Here are the statistics of how the terrorist organizations are designated in Canada,source-http://www.adl.org/Terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.asp


Islamic Extremist Activity
Islamic extremists and their supporters from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Armed Islamic Group (GIA), and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are among those suspected of operating in Canada.
Al Qaeda
Canadian authorities have publicly identified 25 Canadian residents/citizens as members of Al Qaeda.
A major Al Qaeda/GIA cell was Ahmed Ressam's Montreal-based terror cell. Among the cell's other members are Fateh Kamel, convicted in Paris in April 2001 of supplying fake passports to Islamic militants; Mokhtar Haouari, sentenced in New York in 2002 to 24 years in prison for providing a fake driver's license and other assistance to Ressam; Samir Ait Mohamed, indicted by U.S. authorities in 2001 on charges of conspiring to commit an act of international terrorism and currently fighting extradition from Canada to the U.S.; and Mourad Ikhlef, accused by Canada of advising Ressam on how to handle explosives and carry out the Los Angeles Airport attack. Canada deported Ikhlef to Algeria in March 2003.

Egyptian-born longtime Canadian resident Ahmad Sa'id Al-Khadr left Toronto for Pakistan to become the regional coordinator for the Canadian-based Human Concern International, a charity that has allegedly diverted funds to Al Qaeda. He reportedly became a senior aide to Osama bin Laden. Al-Khadr was detained by Pakistani authorities for his alleged involvement in the 1995 bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad but was later released, reportedly, after the personal intercession of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien. In October 2001, the U.S. froze his assets and in December 2001, the U.S. placed him on a list of nine Al Qaeda members most wanted by the U.S. He is believed to be in Afghanistan.

One of Khadr's sons, Omar Khadr, was arrested in Afghanistan in July 2002 after he allegedly murdered a U.S. army medic with a grenade. He is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay. Another one of his sons, Abdul Rahman Khadr, was captured by Northern Alliance troops in Kabul in November 2001 while allegedly fighting for Al Qaeda and later sent to Guantanamo. In November 2003, against the background of the U.S. releasing a number of detainees from Guantanamo, Abdul Rahman Khadr was freed. On November 30, 2003, Canadian authorities permitted Khadr to reenter Canada.

The U.S. is currently holding Canadian Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, who, according to U.S. officials, admitted involvement in a series of Al Qaeda plots in Southeast Asia. Jabarah's brother, Abdulrahman Mansour Jabarah, was killed in July 2003 by Saudi authorities in a firefight near the Jordanian border. Both brothers are suspected of joining Al Qaeda in the late 1990s.
An Al Qaeda plot to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Paris also had a Canadian element to it. In June 2002, Canadian authorities arrested Algerian-born Montreal resident Adel Tobbichi, a.k.a. Amine Mezbar, who allegedly altered passports and other documents to allow members of the embassy conspiracy cell to travel throughout Europe. He was extradited to the Netherlands in July 2002.
Following the leads of the UN Security Council and the U.S., Canada shut down the offices of several Islamic charities operating on Canadian soil, with alleged links to Al Qaeda. These include: Benevolence International Fund, Islamic Relief Organization, Muslim World League and the SAAR Foundation.

Hezbolah
Hezbollah is believed to have an active presence in Canada. According to Canadian intelligence, Canada is an important source of Hezbollah fundraising and recruitment as well as a key component of the group's international network.
In June 2002, two members of a North Carolina-based Hezbollah terror cell were convicted of providing material support to the terrorist organization. Their cell was part of a larger Hezbollah network that raised funds and procured dual-use technologies for Hezbollah. The Canadian part of the network was allegedly run by Mohammed Hassan Dbouk and his brother-in-law Ali Adham Amhaz, who allegedly received money from Hezbollah officials in Lebanon and engaged in credit card and banking scams in Canada in order to finance the purchase in Canada and the U.S. of night-vision goggles, global positioning systems, stun guns, laser range finders and other military items which were then smuggled into Lebanon. Amhaz was indicted in North Carolina in March 2001 on charges of providing material support to Hezbollah. In October 2001, Canadian authorities arrested him based on an American arrest warrant calling for his extradition. Amhaz was freed in December 2001 after the U.S. dropped the arrest warrant; the U.S. indictment against him still stands. Dbouk fled to Lebanon.
Also in June 2002, Israeli authorities arrested Lebanese-born Canadian Fawzi Ayoub, 39, who had entered Israel on a fake American passport. He is accused of being a Hezbollah fighter and of training Palestinian militants in the West Bank in Hezbollah bomb-making techniques.


so, if anyone is questioning the law here in Canada, which maybe the case if you are say an illegal immigrant who can't speak or write english and sayyyyyyyyyyyy happens to support these deranged hate-filled wacko-baby-killers that follow a Moon God...then you might want to just digest this...it might just get you packing...one can hope!!!!!!!

In December 2001, the U.S. and Canada signed a Joint Statement of Cooperation on Border Security and Regional Migration Issues.The declaration established a joint action plan for deter-ring, detecting and prosecuting security threats while ensuring the free flow of people and goods across the border. In November 2003, the U.S. and Canada announced the creation of two more Integrated Border Enforcement Teams (IBETs) to improve security across the border. IBETs are multi-agency teams combining U.S. and Canadian law enforcement, immigration and customs officials, working together daily with local, state and provincial enforcement agencies.They are strategically located along the length of the border to ensure it remains open to trade and travel, but closed to criminal or terrorist elements. With the two new ones, there are now 14 IBETs covering every strategic location across the U.S.- Canada border.
Islamic Extremist Activity
Islamic extremists and their supporters from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Armed Islamic Group (GIA), and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are among those suspected of operating in Canada.

deportation here logic comes...right there were he started from...do-do-do-du-doooo!!!!
 
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Actually the Jews have been there for thousands of years too, the Ottoman Empire kept them there as a counterbalance to all the rebellous Arabs.



We have discussed and documented on this board at least 20 times that the Khazar tribe which is better known as Ashkenazim adopted Judaism in the 8th century and did NOT occupy the Promised Land until the modern era.. If you bothered to pay attention to this fact you would know that they have absolutely no ancestral claim to Israel.

It was the Ashkenazim under socialist Theodore Herzl who invented the concept of Zionism which has been financed and armed by socialists such as Ben-Gurion and Stalin. Anyone who denies that doesn't know that region's history. Anyone who supports it, supports communism.
 

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Actually the Jews have been there for thousands of years too, the Ottoman Empire kept them there as a counterbalance to all the rebellous Arabs.



We have discussed and documented on this board at least 20 times that the Khazar tribe which is better known as Ashkenazim adopted Judaism in the 8th century and did NOT occupy the Promised Land until the modern era.. If you bothered to pay attention to this fact you would know that they have absolutely no ancestral claim to Israel.

It was the Ashkenazim under socialist Theodore Herzl who invented the concept of Zionism which has been financed and armed by socialists such as Ben-Gurion and Stalin. Anyone who denies that doesn't know that region's history. Anyone who supports it, supports communism.
Why would we bother to pay attention to a flawed and prejudicial opinion?
No one and I mean no one here has ever claimed to support Zionism, but don't let that stop you from making false claims about people(even though you have cried enough about people making claims about you) I/we support Israel's right to exist and lay claim in antiquity to the lands of which they hold. Your continued attemt to childishly assert we are supporting communism, is just ridiculous. Most of, and certainly I, are most keenly aware of the communal ideology of Israel. It is present and quite openly seen in the Kibbutz. Anyone that tries to depict the Kibbutz as Stalinism, as apposed to Marxism, is attempting to discredit Israel with more lies and missinformation. A failing, but all to common pass time among the defenders of the Arab nazi party.

Israel's right to exist is threatend by people like you that will use ahistorical half truths and missinformation(if not out right lies)to further prop up your own agenda. The facts speak for themselves. Your interpretations of the facts is where your flaw begins, your bastardization of those facts is where your fraudulent agenda is exposed.

They most certainly can lay claim to Israel, they most certainly can lay claim to lands they took in a war they did not start, they most certainly can keep those lands. Deal with it!

Seeing as you have very littel knowledge of the history of the area...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/55217-history-israel-palestine.html

Interesting. More historic, yet I am sure, easily dismissable facts, the apologists won't even attempt to absorbe, but instantly condemn.
 
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Wow, funny thing, its almost like the Ashkenazim are in fact, NOT the only people from Israel who were Jewish.

Well Einstein, who was there to convert the AShkenazim? Did they spontaneously learn Judaism from thin air? If so..maybe you should consider converting.

If you paid attention, you'd know there have been Jew's in the Roman Province of Palestine for a helluva lot longer than the 8th century.

I mean seriously, just because you say "we already discussed this" doesn't mean you discussed it intelligently, as you are obviously missing some giant facts. I.E, The Massive amount of records from Rome? The Muslim Faith itself which acknowledges the life and holyness (though not divinity) of Jesus/Isha..a Jew. Jerusalem has always had a Jewish population since hypothetically its founding.

So what Im gathering then, is that you think that Israel should be based in Egypt and that all those Egyptian Arabs should be forced to flee and that Israel is legitimate in occupying the West Bank as its part of Egypt?

No one in the region after all, disagrees the Jews were driven out of Egypt either.


But to me, none of that matters. Its irrelevant where your ancestors came from, only where you come from. Israelis are all born in Israel, the "refugees" are not born in Israel.

Case closed.
 

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Oh Geeezh Goph, l forgot you dellusion about being more knowledgeable than historians themselves...or perhaps you are senile and have been rattling around for 1600 years...Because that is when the Jewish people were attacked and hoisted out of their homeland for the first time by nomadic Moon Rock woreshippers who were essentailly criminals and tribes of pirates...

This was the BEGINNING of the difficult existance of the people who were destined to rule Israel...

So get your facts straight, you can start with wikipedia, and work through the mountainous amount of facts that support this claim. But then again, understanding that you are 1600 years old, l wouldn't want you to have a seizure...oops, that is Muhammad who had siezures and fits...well don't rattle your dentures, you can take my word on it...:read2:
 

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this is an example of how a MAINSTREAM MUSLIM is following the teachings of the Moon God, and the fella who had epileptic siezures...

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in his Own Words

Posted: December 12, 2006​


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitic and anti-Israel views place him and the Iranian regime among the foremost threats to Jews and the state of Israel.

Ahmadinejad repeatedly demonizes the state of Israel and openly calls for its destruction at every opportunity. Most notoriously, he described Israel as a "fake regime" that "must be wiped off the map."

He termed Zionists "the most detested people in all humanity" and called the extermination of six million Jews during World War II "a myth," claiming that Jews have played up Nazi atrocities during the Holocaust in a bid to extort sympathy for Israel from European governments.

Ahmadinejad's virulently anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric and Holocaust denial are often matched by other Iranian leaders, and the Iranian regime itself has continued to sponsor anti-Zionism conferences and pseudo-academic lectures and exhibits questioning the fact of the Holocaust.

The following is a selected compilation of Ahmadinejad's statements on Jews, the Holocaust and Israel in his own words:

December 12, 2006


“Thanks to people’s wishes and God’s will the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want…Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out”
(Comments to Iran’s Holocaust Conference)


November 29, 2006


"What have the Zionists done for the American people that the US administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous aggressors? Is it not because they have imposed themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and media sectors?"
(Letter from Ahmadinejad "to the American people")

November 13, 2006

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

October 19, 2006

"The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive"
(as quoted by Iranian state television)

August 6, 2006


"They (Israel) kill women and children, young and old. And, behind closed doors, they make plans for the advancement of their evil goals."
(as quoted by Khorasan Provincial TV)



August 4, 2006

"A new Middle East will prevail without the existence of Israel."
(as quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama website)

August 2, 2006

"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented."
(as quoted by Iranian TV)

"Are they human beings?... They (Zionists) are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame."
(as quoted by Iranian TV)

July 27, 2006


"The occupying regime of Palestine has actually pushed the button of its own destruction by launching a new round of invasion and barbaric onslaught on Lebanon"
(as quoted by Islamic Republic News Agency via the Associated Press)

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July 13, 2006

"The Zionists and their protectors are the most detested people in all of humanity, and the hatred is increasing every day."
"The worse their crimes, the quicker they will fall."
"[Israel] has blackened the pages of history".
(as quoted by Iranian state television)



May 11, 2006

Israel is "a regime based on evil that cannot continue and one day will vanish."
(to a student rally in Jakarta, Indonesia)


April 24, 2006</STRONG>

''We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries."

(In a news conference held on April 24, 2006)


April 14, 2006

"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

(In a speech at the opening of the "Support for the Palestinian Intifada" conference on April 14-16 hosted in Tehran)


February 23, 2006

"These heinous acts are committed by a group of Zionists and occupiers that have failed. They have failed in the face of Islam's logic and justice . . . They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice . . . But be sure, you will not be saved from the wrath and power of the justice-seeking nations by resorting to such acts."
(In a speech broadcast on state television, where Ahmadinejad suggested that the bombing of a major Shiite shrine in Iraq by Sunni insurgents was plotted by Israel and the U.S. to divide Muslims.)

January 5, 2006

"Hopefully, the news that the criminal of Sabra and Chatilla has joined his ancestors is final."
(To a group of Muslim clerics in the Iranian city of Qom, as quoted in the semi-official student news agency ISNA, in a reference to the illness of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon).


"[N]o Muslim nation would put up with this entity [i.e. Israel] in Islamic lands, not for one moment … If it's true that the [Europeans] committed a big crime in World War II, then they must take responsibility for it themselves, and not ask the Palestinian people to pay the price … Those countries that support this regime [Israel] were terrified at the suggestion that [Israel] should be relocated to their neighborhood. So why should the Palestinians and the countries in our region accept this entity?"
(In a speech before an audience in the Iranian city of Qom, aired on television)

December 14, 2005

"Today, they [Europeans] have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets … This is our proposal: give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them [Jews] so that the Jews can establish their country."
(Speaking to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan)


December 13, 2005

"If the killing of Jews in Europe is true and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"
(Comments published on Iranian state television's Web site)

December 8, 2005


"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe."
(While speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca)


October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map … (In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')



June 8, 2005

The UN structure is one-sided, stacked against the world of Islam.
(In an interview on state television)


So as Iran moves now to "test" nuclear missles, l just have to reminiese about the previous "test" of Krazy Kim and how the downwind managed to seep radiation poison contaimating the entire province of South Korea not to mention the ocean...The only difference is Size, and the spew of hatred that comes out of ahmadinejad's {pronounced in a high pitch tone ah-am-a-mad-jihad...} diminished little self...

the israelis' have this to deal with a hate-mongering dictator who has finances terrorists, and tried to re-write historical fact...


 

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Archaelogical evidence also supports Palestinian claims that their ancestors have lived in the same area since before Judaism existed.

Genetic evidence shows that Jews and Palestinians share common ancestors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian#The_ancestry_of_the_Palestinians Follow the references...

http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?articleId=201334
http://uk.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556449/Arabian_Peninsula.html

The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites,who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.

Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001). ã American Society
for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001.

Published by Elsevier Sciece Inc.


In other words, Jews and Palestinians are closely related. Their ancestry is intermixed. Most Palestinians and Israelis are the same race if you believe in classifying people by race. Some Jews and Palestinans can trace their ancestry back to the ealriest inhabitants of these lands and some Jews and Palestinians cannot.


But all of this is beside the point. In 1947 Jewish immigrants from Europe, (some of whom can trace their ancestors back to this area and some who couldn't) started an ethnic cleansing campaign of non-Jewish inhabitants, (some of whom can trace their ancestors back to the eariest known inhabitants of this land and some who can't).


The Jewish immigrants (who claimed to be returning to their ancient homeland) used rape, torture and murder to force 800,000 people (some of whom can trace ancestors in this region to back to before Judaism and some who can't) to abandon their homes and properties.

The Jewish immigrants razed hundreds of villages. In other cases they moved directly into Palestinian homes, took down the family portraits and put up their own. While the new immigrants slept in the beds of the previous inhabitants, previous inhabitants slept in tents in refugee camps. Now matter how you try to spin this, you cannot whitewash this injustice and the resulting oppression.

Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign has never stopped. It goes on today just as much as it did in 1947.

Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions

Ethnic Cleansing and Israel’s Racist Discourse
Ramzy Baroud
Sunday, December 03, 2006

The term ethnic cleansing refers to various policies of forcibly removing people of another ethnic group. At one end of the spectrum, it is virtually indistinguishable from forced emigration and population transfer, while at the other it merges with deportation and genocide."

According to this definition, and others including those emerging in the 1990s, following the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, Palestinians have been and remain victims of a determined and unwavering ethnic cleansing policy that began in 1947-48 and continues until today.

However, it is important that when we examine the subject of ethnic cleansing in Palestine, we take into account its various dimensions, one of which is the accompanying racist discourse, which has become part and parcel of Israel’s ethnic cleansing policies.

Any act of collective punishment — whether ethnic cleansing or genocide or any other — is often preceded and or adjoined by a racist discourse that dehumanizes the victim and justifies the crime on baseless grounds, a concoction of lies and fibs that may appeal to national or religious psyches, but fails the test of law, morality or basic human norms and expectations....
http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.asp?menu=6&submenu=2&article=311

If you support this, then you support one group of people using violence to take what belongs to another group of people.

Supporting what Israel does to the previous inhabitants is like supporting South African Apartheid:

To re-quote Desmond Tutu


...I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."

My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden.

Israel will never get true security and safety through oppressing another people. A true peace can ultimately be built only on justice...


Here is an account by an Israeli historian about the Palestinian exodus:


Benny Morris says he was always a Zionist. People were mistaken when they labeled him a post-Zionist, when they thought that his historical study on the birth of the Palestinian refugee problem was intended to undercut the Zionist enterprise. Nonsense, Morris says, that's completely unfounded. Some readers simply misread the book. They didn't read it with the same detachment, the same moral neutrality, with which it was written. So they came to the mistaken conclusion that when Morris describes the cruelest deeds that the Zionist movement perpetrated in 1948 he is actually being condemnatory, that when he describes the large-scale expulsion operations he is being denunciatory. They did not conceive that the great documenter of the sins of Zionism in fact identifies with those sins. That he thinks some of them, at least, were unavoidable....http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=380986


Until the people Israel ethnically cleansed of the land have freedom and justice, they will fight for freedom and justice. That's human nature.

Fighting for freedom and justice also predates Judaism.
 
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Lengthy but informative:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm
The Thirteenth Tribe

by Arthur Koestler
THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE ... the term "anti-Semitism" would become void of meaning, since, as Mr. Koestler writes, it is based "on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated."
Proof : Jews are not Israelites!
Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics!
DATELINE U.S.A. (1977) -- In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the racial origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves "Jews," and whom the Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen People," the Israelite descendants of Abraham. Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that instead of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their "religion" over 1,000 years ago and had become know as "Jews." These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called "cultists" or "anti-Semites."
Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same point; i.e. that these Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor "Semites," but are instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns! Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also, Random House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads with the following headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House quoted the following reviews:
"Mr. Koestler's excellent book...Is as readable as it is thought-provoking. Nothing could be more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he marshals his facts and develops his theories..." Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.
"You do not have to be Jewish to be interested... Are today's Western Jews really ethnic, Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted Khazars?...This compact, interesting book...examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for modern history...It should fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal
"Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a good story, pulling together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly controversy and the mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek
Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that 'Arthur Koestler publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY...' Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." Then he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB..." We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian Americans to consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's {Ashkenazim} Jews are not Israelites.



 
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Lengthy but informative:


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

by Arthur Koestler

THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE ... the term "anti-Semitism" would become void of meaning, since, as Mr. Koestler writes, it is based "on a misapprehension shared by both the killers and their victims. The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated."


Proof : Jews are not Israelites!

Research Proves "Jews" are non-Israelite Asiatics!

DATELINE U.S.A. (1977) -- In 1976 Random House published a book that should have hit the Christian Churches like a blockbuster, but instead they chose totally to ignore it. It dealt with the racial origin of the people in Communist and Christian countries who call themselves "Jews," and whom the Churches (and the Jews themselves) generally insist are "God's Chosen People," the Israelite descendants of Abraham. Since the late 1800's a small number of Bible Scholars, who were also students of History and Racial origins, have insisted the Church denominations were wrong; that instead of being Israelites, these Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their "religion" over 1,000 years ago and had become know as "Jews." These Bible scholars were ignored or condemned, and often called "cultists" or "anti-Semites."

Now, after many years of research, a well-known Jewish author, Arthur Koestler has published a 255 page book titled THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE in which he proves the same point; i.e. that these Eastern European "Jews" are neither Israelites nor "Semites," but are instead Khazars, Mongols, and Huns! Most major newspapers and magazines reviewed the book during 1976. Also, Random House, the publisher, advertised it extensively and began some of their ads with the following headline: WHAT IF MOST JEWS AREN'T REALLY SEMITES AT ALL? In addition, Random House quoted the following reviews:

"Mr. Koestler's excellent book...Is as readable as it is thought-provoking. Nothing could be more stimulating than the skill, elegance and erudition with which he marshals his facts and develops his theories..." Fitzroy Maclean, New York Times Book Review.

"You do not have to be Jewish to be interested... Are today's Western Jews really ethnic, Semitic, Biblical Jews, or are most of them descendants of converted Khazars?...This compact, interesting book...examines tragic-ironic implications in [this question] for modern history...It should fascinate." --Edmund Fuller, Wall Street Journal

"Koestler marshals the evidence in a clear and convincing way. He tells a good story, pulling together materials from medieval Muslims and Jewish travelers, scholarly controversy and the mysterious lore of the Khazars." --Raymond Sokolov, Newsweek

Robert Kirsch of the Los Angeles Times stated in his lengthy review that 'Arthur Koestler publicizes with his customary skills a daring hypothesis: that THE KHAZAR JEWS MIGRATED TO POLAND AND BECAME THE FOREBEARS OF EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWRY...' Then Kirsch quoted Prof. A. N. Poliak of Tel Aviv University, who stated that "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria." Then he again quoted Koestler in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, "If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga; not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that GENETICALLY THEY ARE MORE RELATED TO THE HUN, UIGUR, AND MAGYAR TRIBES THAN TO THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB..." We cannot stress enough how absolutely imperative it is for all Christian Americans to consider the startling proof in Arthur Koestler's book that today's {Ashkenazim} Jews are not Israelites.
There's nothing like shooting your buddy earth in the back!!!

The flaw in your "revisionist" BS is, this "opinion" prodominantly explored European Jews, NOT Jews in the area known as "Palestine" or the middle east. Not to mention that the Jews are not only mentioned in the Bible, they are mentioned in the Quran, Egyptian hyroglyphs and so on. But don't let documented history destroy your myths. Keep bring up stuff that contradicts you and your fellow supporters of the Arab nazi party.
 

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Supporting what Israel does to the previous inhabitants is like supporting South African Apartheid:

To re-quote Desmond Tutu


Here is an account by an Israeli historian about the Palestinian exodus:


Until the people Israel ethnically cleansed of the land have freedom and justice, they will fight for freedom and justice. That's human nature.
So the two wrongs that both sides commit make a right? Seems to me they live side by side before and they could again if they'd quit trying to kill each other off.

Their ancestry is intermixed. Most Palestinians and Israelis are the same race if you believe in classifying people by race.
Old news.

BTW, classifying by race makes more sense because it's at least based on science whereas classifying by beliefs doesn't and isn't.
 

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Excellent Article About Communist Zionism

http://www.rense.com/general63/makowthehypocrisyof.htm

[SIZE=+4] The Hypocrisy Of
David Horowitz
[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]The Zionist Communist Matrix[/SIZE]
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By Henry Makow, PhD
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[SIZE=+1]Usually, I don't praise a man I am calling a dupe and hypocrite but David Horowitz is doing invaluable work.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He is waging a crusade against the "politically correct" lib-left-feminist crowd that has killed free inquiry and debate at most universities. He is championing an "Academic Bill of Rights," state legislation that protects academic freedom.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Through his /"Center for the Study of Popular Culture"/ and on line journal, FrontPage Magazine, he has (quote) "distributed half a million books and pamphlets on the war on terror, the Middle East crisis and the anti-American left. ...He has spoken on over thirty-five college campuses addressing between 300 and 1200 students at each stop and generating major attention from local and campus media...building a campus network across the country..."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Back in the 1960's, Horowitz was editor of /Ramparts Magazine/, a pillar of the New Left, but he saw the light, embraced what became "Neo-Conservatism" and is now a dedicated and inspired "anti Communist."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In essence, he switched from being a dupe of the Communist wing of the Masonic conspiracy to being an agent of its Zionist wing, which explains his ample funding.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Both Communism and Zionism are Masonic cults. The Red Star and Star of David are Masonic occult symbols. Most Communist and Zionist leaders are Freemasons.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Freemasonry is an instrument of the London-based cabal of central bankers who wish to translate their control over our credit into political and cultural hegemony. They are building a one-world dictatorship and religion called the New World Order under the guise of "globalization." See my "Rothschild Conducts Red Symphony." [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Communism and Zionism are both a cruel hoax. Their idealistic talk of public ownership or a national homeland for Jews is bait for the naive. Their real purpose is to advance totalitarian Masonic world government.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Horowitz's /Center for the Study of Popular Culture/, which claims 40,000 supporters, is a Zionist shill. It is (quote) "dedicated to defending the cultural foundations of a free society, a task made even more pressing by the attack on America of September 11th, the Iraq conflict and the internal opponents of freedom this attack has revealed."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]As if the Zionists and Neo Cons weren't responsible for these attacks, and the phony "War on Terror" which protects our freedom by taking it away.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The "Left-Right" debate that so polarizes and controls Americans is based on these Zionist-Communist pincers.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Horowitz and his ilk play their part by presenting the so-called "Conservative" side of this NWO matrix. Genuine Conservatives are rarely heard.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Both Masonic wings feel they have a monopoly on truth and are equally repressive. Both would impose their version of the truth and repress all others, as I will show later.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]THE QUEST FOR TRUTH[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]We tend to build our identity around whatever version of reality we have been given. We must consider the possibility that we have been deliberately or inadvertently deceived. Our loyalty must be to the real truth no matter how difficult and painful it is for us to change.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]We must treat our intellectual adversaries with respect, as brothers in the quest for truth. Like Horowitz I used to be a Socialist and scorned Conservatives as the cause of the world's problems.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Now I am a Conservative and I am grateful to the people I once despised. Naturally I am glad I did not have the power to repress them.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]I now believe all so-called "progressive" movements (left-lib-socialist feminist) are designed to overturn the natural and healthy order of society and to create the NWO. Genuine Conservatives are people who are trying to apply the brakes on the NWO and change course.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Progressive movements appeal to people who suffer from arrested development and want the government to be their parents and look after them.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]They appeal to people who cannot appreciate the inherent meaning in ordinary life and need to "change the world" to give their lives worth. I know this from experience.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Get it? The Illuminati take away God and His spiritual laws and promise a worldly "paradise" ("Humanism") in its place based on their secret specs.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Progressives have many valid criticisms but they are not aware that the hidden agenda is to divide and undermine society. Now let's return to David Horowitz.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]WHAT I LIKE ABOUT DAVID HOROWITZ[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]David Horowitz ventures bravely into occupied territory, the socialist feminist American campus, with the message that education and indoctrination is not the same thing.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Recently at Bowling Green University, where he was heckled and called a Christian fascist (although he is Jewish) he said entire departments are dedicated to indoctrinating students in Leftist ideologies. These courses, which include Women's Studies, Ethnic Studies, American Studies and "Peace" Studies, are obligatory and portray the US as racist, sexist, exploitive and imperialistic. [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He deplored "faculty bullies" who betray their professional responsibilities as teacher and use their enormous power over students to ridicule and abuse those whose conservative views they despise."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He derided the radical professors as hypocrites who haul down huge salaries making it impossible for poor students to attend the university where tuition is $15,000.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"Eighty percent of the school budget is salaries. You make between $60,000 and $100,000 a year. You teach on average two courses and spend six hours a week in class. You work eight months out of the year and have four months paid vacation. And every seven years you get ten months paid vacation. If you are really as concerned about the working class as you pretend, why don't you volunteer to teach four courses and twelve hours a week and lower the tuition costs for these kids?"[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He is dead on. However David Horowitz is himself driven by ideology. He is not so much interested in genuine academic freedom as in reasserting the phony Neo-Conservative Vs. Left Lib Communist matrix on campus.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He refers to (quote) "Michael Moore's hate film Fahrenheit 911 and the American liberation of Iraq." I suspect he wouldn't have any problem with a professor promoting a Neo Conservative agenda to a captive audience. I suspect he wouldn't have a problem repressing alternative points of view if he could.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]HOROWITZ WEB SITE BULLIES PATRIOT PROFESSOR[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In an article entitled "Jihad Jane and the Jews" on Frontpagemag.com , Horowitz wannabe Mike Adams calls Patriot professor Jane Christiansen "a bigot posing as a scholar." [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]He accuses her of "slander and anti-Semitism" and posts her email and phone number, an implicit invitation to harass her. This is typical of the Left-Communist behavior academic-freedom-loving Horowitz supposedly condemns.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]What are Christiansen's crimes?[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]In the final exam in her course on "The American Presidency" at North Carolina's Wesleyan College she had the temerity to ask students to: "Discuss the sweeping attack on democratic rights under the Bush administration and what this means for the future of democratic government in America."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Adams' comment: "I know most of you will be shocked" by this question.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Christiansen's other crimes? Linking to web sites like Alex Jones' Infowars.com which feature articles suggesting the US is under Zionist control and is doing Israel's dirty work in Iraq.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Another site she links to has a blog that received an unsolicited anti Semitic remark. This certainly does not justify smearing her as "an anti Semite and bigot."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Clearly Horowitz's organization is as adept at slander and repression as the Leftists it deplores. This should comes as no surprise since Zionists and Communists come from the same roots.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]CONCLUSION[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Horowitz's Neo Conservatism is a "Progressive" movement like those he deplores. It is yet another instrument of the World Revolutionary Movement whose goal is to replace the Christian basis of Western Civilization with occult Illuminsm masked as "Secularism".[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Horowitz and socialist-feminists had better be careful about tarring opponents as "haters." The Nazis used this slander. According to Christopher Story, Germans who resisted firearm registration were arrested by the SS and jailed for "fomenting hatred against the Government and the German people." (World Currency Review, Winter 2004,p.89)[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Can we stop being children? Can we stop defaming the people with whom we disagree?[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]We won't solve our problems until we rededicate ourselves to truth and to treating each either as brothers. People who cannot do this wish to impose a lie on the human race. They must slander because they cannot appeal to the truth.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Let's look at the Puppet Masters and stop being their puppets.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]_____[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the party game "Scruples" and author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing Fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site www.savethemales.ca[/SIZE]

Note that the website is a LIBERAL source but that the author is a CONSERVATIVE! Evidently, both political views agree that Zionism is communism. If you are a conservative the way so many on this forum claim to be, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS SUPPORTING COMMUNIST ZIONISM!


Apologies for the large print.
 

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Are all Jews Zionist? Are all Israeli Zionist? Seems to me there's a lot of talk condemning an entire "faith" and an entire nation of people as being Zionist. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Hmmm. Seems the Palestines evicted Jews at one time ( http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm ). Six of one and a half dozen of the other. Both sides have been and are in the wrong. Their bickering back and forth will not accomplish anything but increased hatred. F'n stupid and f'n foolish.
 

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Thanx for that link re Jews vs Zionism. As for that 'eviction', the Bible tells us it was because of divine retribution. For the record, I have posted it previously as well as several others to confirm your point. Note, however, that when I made the point it was subjected to much criticism here without any valid refutation.

And for those who believe in the Bible, they know that only Jesus can restore the Kingdom to Israel as per Acts 1:6. Since the Messiah has not returned, there is no valid basis for saying that Zionism has the authority to restore it. This is why so many REAL Jews and REAL Christians condemn Zionism as sacrilege - for that is precisely what it is.
 

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I really wonder how you people can put such a large text here and from where you get such information.. any ways thanks a TONE !!!!! for the same..