i thought the job of the church was to stop sin or something. i cant believe they encourage it.
How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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i thought the job of the church was to stop sin or something. i cant believe they encourage it.
Yeah. Almost like "wacky" but one doesn't associate wacky people like Jerry Lewis and Robin Williams with "wacked" people like Bakker and some of those other "faithful" types.They certainly are "wacked" in their theology Maple. But t be fair, I find most of the "born-again" theology equally "wacked"(I like your word by the way)
Ditto. I read physics books but that doesn't make me a physicist.
Actually, there are people around that what happens after death is dependent upon whether you feel there is life after death or not. So if you feel you will have a life after death in some paradise, you will, if you feel there is nothing after life, death is where everything ends. Kinda like while people are alive; life is what you make it.
Never seen quadratic equations, I guess.
a = b
a² = ab
a² - b² = ab-b ²
(a-b)(a+b) = b(a-b)
a+b = b
b+b = b
2b = b
2 = 1
Perhaps there is no sin at this mythical place, but people have been going up and up and up and haven';t found this place yet. I think we've even sent a probe to Jupiter and haven't found it.
Hmmmm. Could it be that heaven is actually between people's ears? An invention of mind?
Yes there has been a lot of upward motion but I think they mean lifted spirits and lofty ideals and higher orders of existance like with God and the backup band The Holy Hosts, as far as I know there's never been a postcard from heaven or a long distance call either so , I think you're right about
heaven, there's certainly enough room between my ears for it, complete with clouds harps etc:.:wave:
The farthest reaches of mind. lol
Reminds me of Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone.
I have the complete set. Kinda neat to watch em once in a while. Was glued to it when I was a boy.
Reminds me of Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone.
I have the complete set. Kinda neat to watch em once in a while. Was glued to it when I was a boy.
I apologize if this has already been brought up ....why get rid of sinfullness?
You know that even in such a supposeably liberal place as scotland---up untill very recently you could be put to death by burning at the stake for simply denying the existence of God---
I believe the last of these matyrs of truth was called aikenhead---im too twisted to google him right now-
who the yuk are these monsters --that infect the mind of natures's brilliant creatures with this filthy concept of sin?
They may have a point though
In the first book of the bible it very clearly states that the women of the time where "sinning " because they were having sex with angels and demons
Today i suppose that could be translated as having sex with extraterrestials.
This is not as uncommon as one would suppose for many clergy have noted a surge of distraught women, mostly from the mississipi basin area, confessing their lidquid encounters with those strange beings from the third pulsar zone. I was sceptical untill I --just by accident discovered a strangely shaped plastic object on the road in front of my neighbour's house --just next to the spot where her cat likes to take a crap when no one is looking--
It was a tripolar condom of extraterrestial origin(to be auctioned off on ebay--can con members get first dibs). The evidence is there . This world is again steeped in sin.
puff
You know that even in such a supposeably liberal place as scotland---up untill very recently you could be put to death by burning at the stake for simply denying the existence of God---
I believe the last of these matyrs of truth was called aikenhead---im too twisted to google him right now-
who the yuk are these monsters --that infect the mind of natures's brilliant creatures with this filthy concept of sin?
They may have a point though
In the first book of the bible it very clearly states that the women of the time where "sinning " because they were having sex with angels and demons
Today i suppose that could be translated as having sex with extraterrestials.
This is not as uncommon as one would suppose for many clergy have noted a surge of distraught women, mostly from the mississipi basin area, confessing their lidquid encounters with those strange beings from the third pulsar zone. I was sceptical untill I --just by accident discovered a strangely shaped plastic object on the road in front of my neighbour's house --just next to the spot where her cat likes to take a crap when no one is looking--
It was a tripolar condom of extraterrestial origin(to be auctioned off on ebay--can con members get first dibs). The evidence is there . This world is again steeped in sin.
puff
Because sin, by its defintion, is something harmful either to self or others. Thus, it is logical you would seek not to engage in this sort of behaviour.
I agree with you about coming through Jesus, for that is my foundation upon which I base all my beliefs on.
But there is another reason why Jesus said "by Him only". And the reason was so that the first should be last and the last should be first. If you understand what I mean.
Here is a verse: Luk 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
The body of Christ is a living body. Those who are part of that body is the church, and that church is a live church.
Those without the church are not part of that body, therefore not able to enjoy the benefits of that body's kingdom.
These in the body are "saved", set aside, saints while those outside of the body are not saved. There still outcasts.
But souls just the same and in which when their term of life is expired, shall they see who Jesus real is.
At the end, all go to the same place. Ecc 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Interesting, did you not claim you did not belong to a "church", but were on your own? so, My Bible quoting friend;
On the role of the Church in the Body of Christ
AUTHORITY - Should the Bible be the final authority of Christianity or the Church? Well, Christ stated that the Church, not Scripture should be the final authority: "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the Church: but if he neglect to hear the Church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." (Matthew 18:17 ) Christ did not state to refer to or consult Scripture for disputes and correction. He said to go to the Church as It is the final authority in Christianity. In addition, St. Paul states that the Church, not Scripture is "THE pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15) Since the Church alone is mentioned as the pillar of truth, then It alone has the right to discern the truth and interpret Scripture. For if individuals could correctly interpret Scripture, then all interpretations would be exactly the same as there can only be one Spiritual Truth for the plural of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. The Church is Christ's bride (Ephesians 5:29) and has "no spot, wrinkle or blemish" (Ephesians 5:27). Christ also stated that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18) so how can the Church commit error? Individual clergy may commit sins, even popes commit sins because in the Church there are both "weeds and wheat" (Matthew 13:30).
ORGANIZATION - Is the Church to be a loose conglomerate of believers or is it to be organized and structured? Scripture clearly established "offices" and a "hierarchy" among Christians. The offices of "bishop, priest (presbyter) and deacon" are mentioned in Scripture (1 Timothy 3:1,8; Titus 1:7 ). What else is this but "organization?" Or should we believe that any believer can "claim" to be a bishop, priest, deacon or even "apostle?" The word "office" is specifically used in Scripture (1 Timothy 3:1) to describe these positions. Webster defines "office" as "A special duty, trust, charge, or position, conferred by authority or God and for a public purpose; a position of trust or authority." And the office of "apostle" is to be continued (Acts 1:20-26) to the present day. Not all believers are "equal" nor have the same gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10; Ephesians 4:11). Is the Church a "visible, earthly" entity? Yes, for Christ would not direct us to the Church for disputes if it were not here on Earth (Matthew 18:17). Nor would "fear" encompass the whole Church if it were a mystical, invisible and heavenly entity (Acts 5:11). The Church is definitely here on earth for the actions described in Acts definitely take place on earth and the term used is "the whole Church" (Acts 15:22).
HEAD OF THE CHURCH - Is there to be a visible "head" of the Church here on earth? Well, as I established under the heading of "Organization," not all believers are to have the same authority or equality within the Church. Did the Apostles have the exact same authority amongst themselves. No, they did not. For it was St. Peter alone that was the "rock" upon which Christ established His Church (Matthew 16:18). And it was St. Peter alone that was given the task of "feeding" Christ's sheep (John 21:15-17 ). Scripture clearly points out St. Peter as Christ's representative on earth. Christ did not ask the other Eleven to feed and tend His sheep. If you read The Acts Of The Apostles, it is clear that St. Peter leads the Apostles. Therefore, since the Apostles are to be replaced as they die (Acts 1:20-26), then it follows that whoever succeed(s) St. Peter is leader of the Church. There is only to be one shepherd of the Church (John 10:16). For the Apostles did not argue amongst themselves whether there was a "greatest" at all, but who amongst them was the greatest (Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46).
ONE CHURCH - Is there to be only one Church or many? According to Scripture, Christ wanted us to be one (John 17:22-23). We are all as a Church to be of one mind and to think the same (Philippians 2:2; Romans 15:5). There is only to be one "faith" (Ephesians 4:3-6), not many. For the Church is Christ's Body and Christ only had one Body, not many. Also, since the Church is Christ's Bride (Ephesians 5:29), can Christ be married to more than one wife (essentially a spiritual form of the the sin of polygamy)? No, Christ can only have one wife (i.e., one Church, not many).
In conclusion, Scripture is pretty straightforward about the Church's role in salvation, Its authority and Its organization. It's all a matter of deductive reasoning, correct interpretation and pure logic.
The farthest reaches of mind. lol
Reminds me of Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone.
I have the complete set. Kinda neat to watch em once in a while. Was glued to it when I was a boy.
So was I. I am utterly jealous of you for having the programmes! Where did you purchase them? Remember his other programme, "Night Gallery"? Great shows those!
I remember when the Bakker empire fell apart, the amounts of money he had taken from his faithful and the lies he told to protect himself. An amazing thing, this whole televangelist movement. They sicken me, for the amounts of money they require from people who are seeking comfort and hope, but only get requests for "love-offerings".
Catechism of the Catholic Church :
161. "Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. [Cf. Mk 16:16 ; Jn 3:36 ; Jn 6:40 ; et al.] 'Since 'without faith it is impossible to please (God)' and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'']"
Let's not be so easy to criticise anothers unfortunate downfall, withoput first looking in our own back yard and seeing our own unfortunate down fall.!
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
unfortunate??? the dude ripped off thousands of people for like millions of dollars. i think it was fortunate he got caught.