How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

mapleleafgirl

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sanctus. you never answered my question. lets say i want to join the catholic church..what would i do-just start going..and another question i didnt see an answer for is why cant i get communion at a catholic mass?
 

sanctus

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sanctus. you never answered my question. lets say i want to join the catholic church..what would i do-just start going..and another question i didnt see an answer for is why cant i get communion at a catholic mass?

I'm sorry Maple, you're right, I have seen your questons and do not think I've answered them!

If you seriously want to join the Church, first find a parish near to you. Talk to the parish priest. He'll direct you to prayer and if you're sincere, sign you up for RCIA- the classes to teach you abut the faith.

Only members of the Church who have been baptized may receive our Precious Lord's Body. One of the names for the Eucharist is "communion". We do not distribute our Lord's Body to non-members because they are not in communion with the Holy See and the Church.
 

look3467

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i think theyre wackd. theyre like robots or something, probably brainwashed. mormons believe that they are equal to god. i did a paper about them in world religions class once.plus, they think when they die theyll like get their own planets to be god over.

I guess I am "wackd" as you say maple. These people are souls just like you and I. Just that they have been educated in their respective religious beliefs.

The heart of God does not discriminate!

You've been reading your bible? Cause here is a verse that confirms what I just said: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

But with us? Yes? We respect only those whom we like.

God loves all of us without discrimination.Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

L Gilbert

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Good question! But even in the fundamentalist cults, without doing harm to others, there is harm done to the membership. I am deeply suspicious of sects that require their memebership to sign over their homes, and paycheques to support the "work of God". I also consider television evangelists suspicious. Though there are some reputable and decent ones amongst the lot, the bulk of them are such shysters it amazes me that people flock to their ministries.
lol and then when they get caught it's all tears and pleas like that doorknob Baker guy. Then he gets another tv show. kinda lowered my opinion of the intelligence of religious people in the States after I saw that.
 

look3467

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You're not very well versed in church history, are you? The early church leaders were the apostles, and worship was done in the homes. Read church history. Also, to be fair to the catholics, the worship of the apostles was always what we now call a mass. And yes, the early church was persecuted, in that you are correct. We can go all around the bend here on this, but historically what we now call the Roman Catholic Church began at Pentecost. Mind you, I'm not catholic or overly religious, but history is history.Even I remember being taught this not only in sunday school but in world religions. Make no doubt about it, the catholic Church has been around since day one.

Darlene, talking about church History, can you tell me on what day they met in homes? And if you answer that correct why that day? And if you answer that correct why was the number of that day number___? Is that a significant number? Why?

What does that day represent to the believer?

The church started with the first convert to Jesus. Then at Penticost, power was given them (Apostles) to perform miricles for the furtherance of the word, via the Holy Spirit.

How many today are performing miricles? Hmmmmm?

The church which is the body of Christ and nothing more. This body is a spiritual church not made with human hands.2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Our earthly body is the temple of the Holy Ghost that when you die, we know that we have a building with God etewrnal in the heavens, that is not made with human hands.

This church building Darlene is a spiritual building. Haven't we learned that yet?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

look3467

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I know you know.

You just told me, so that's how I know you know. Of course, you could be lying, but I take people's word as is until I discover otherwise. Anyway, it was a joke. Apparently only I thought it was funny, however. It happens.

Don't I know when you are joking or not? :smilebox:

:love9:peace>>>AJ
 

sanctus

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Darlene, talking about church History, can you tell me on what day they met in homes? And if you answer that correct why that day? And if you answer that correct why was the number of that day number___? Is that a significant number? Why?

What does that day represent to the believer?

The early Church gathered in homes on the first day of the week, early in the morning before they went off to work. This was done to celebrate the Mass on the day of Christ's Resurrection.
Darlene is right also in that from the beginning the Church believed in two key points still relevant today-an apostolic priesthood and the Eucharist as necessary for the membership.The early teachings of both the Apostles and the early Church Fathers were quite clear on these theologies. AJ, protestant forms of thought are only 500 or so years old. They often contradict the teachings of the true faith established by Christ.

The church started with the first convert to Jesus. Then at Penticost, power was given them (Apostles) to perform miricles for the furtherance of the word, via the Holy Spirit.

And Christ gave to the Apostles, Peter in particular, the power to perform the Sacraments. To forgive is His name, thus confesion, to do the Sacrifice of the Mass, again in His name and through the graces of the Holy Spirit.

How many today are performing miricles? Hmmmmm?

Some, but miracles are not the point of the message of Christ. Our Lady performed miracles at Fatima and La Sollette, where healings still often happen.
 

sanctus

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I guess I am "wackd" as you say maple. These people are souls just like you and I. Just that they have been educated in their respective religious beliefs.

The heart of God does not discriminate!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


But they are not in the Christian body AJ. Yes, God loves them as He does all, but He also is very, very clear that no one comes to Him but through Jesus. They reject Christ, their theology is heresy and blasphemy, words people do not like to read, but there you have it.
 

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i think theyre wackd. theyre like robots or something, probably brainwashed. mormons believe that they are equal to god. i did a paper about them in world religions class once.plus, they think when they die theyll like get their own planets to be god over.

They certainly are "wacked" in their theology Maple. But t be fair, I find most of the "born-again" theology equally "wacked"(I like your word by the way:) )

I am equally suspicious of self-appointed Biblical experts who think by just reading their Bibles they are connecting to God. Like any field of study, I tend to accept and respect those who have some basis of belief from reputable sources.
 

m_levesque

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They certainly are "wacked" in their theology Maple. But t be fair, I find most of the "born-again" theology equally "wacked"(I like your word by the way:) )

I am equally suspicious of self-appointed Biblical experts who think by just reading their Bibles they are connecting to God. Like any field of study, I tend to accept and respect those who have some basis of belief from reputable sources.

1 + 1 = 2
1 + 1 != 3

Similarly if two people say there is no afterlife and there is an afterlife either one is right and one is wrong or both are wrong.

Its because there is a truth that there are false assumptions.

We assume Catholicism is superior because we are Christians. Sure there are logical reasons why Cathoicism is better than Faith X but most people just believe so because they are Christian and it is what they were raised with.

Other religions are wrong because thats the way simple logic works out. 1 + 1 can not equal both 2 and 3 at the same time. One, or both, must be wrong.

So if we assume we're right, everyone else must be wrong.

So that comes down to why there are other religions. Well people have reason, and people seek the truth. Atheism appeals to people because in it they see the truth of the goodness of reason. New-agey religions appeal to people because they see truth in the existence of the spirtiual side, etc, etc. In it they all seek truth.

God is the truth, the word. All people seeking truth are searching for God.

Yes Satan and his forces do try to influence people's beliefs. See the Aztec's ritual human sacrifices. See today's religiously zealotous slaughter of infants in their mother's wombs. But when Satan tries to convice us of a belief hes just taking advantage and trying to distort that natural desire God gave us to search for Him.

When the ancients felt the wind blowing they sought it's source. They can pucker their mouths and blow. Its a simple step from there to assume a being with much more blowing power than they is blowing. Thus they invented a deity in order to seek the truth. (Just my hypothesis.)

The whole I know good from bad thing is a seperate thread too, dealing with something Catholics call natural law. At its essense we all know to do good and avoid evil, and we all can be held at that oligation.
 

m_levesque

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But they are not in the Christian body AJ. Yes, God loves them as He does all, but He also is very, very clear that no one comes to Him but through Jesus. They reject Christ, their theology is heresy and blasphemy, words people do not like to read, but there you have it.

Religion is from God and only God. Judaism is from God. But then Jesus Christ fulfilled everything in the Old Testament. Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism.

Cults are what is not a religion.

You cannot put us in line with Islam and Hinduism.
 

mapleleafgirl

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Religion is from God and only God. Judaism is from God. But then Jesus Christ fulfilled everything in the Old Testament. Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism.

Cults are what is not a religion.

You cannot put us in line with Islam and Hinduism.

okay. so how do we define a cult? i mean, what is and what is not a cult?
 

mapleleafgirl

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But they are not in the Christian body AJ. Yes, God loves them as He does all, but He also is very, very clear that no one comes to Him but through Jesus. They reject Christ, their theology is heresy and blasphemy, words people do not like to read, but there you have it.


i hear those two words allot from catholic people-what exactly makes something heresy and blasphemey? what are the terms that these would be applied to?
 

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Since the original sin was eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge (birth of the rational mind) the only way out of sin is death and accention (upward movement to heaven) where there is no sin. The church would be the last to advocate for the abolition of sin, it's the reason it exists, it would be like brewers destroying the means to make beer. If there is no sin there is no church. So is the church likely to fight sin or promote it? Like the phamasutical pushers are they likely to treat disease or destroy it.? The sin rackets one of the oldest human enterprises, a never ending supply of customers/sinners.:wave:
 
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