How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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What about the Anglicans? They were once Catholic as far as I know. Just went a different route because of different influences.
http://www.anglican.org/church/ChurchHistory.html
There is no disrespect done, or can be done. For me to be understanding of the different points of view I have to be forgiving, patient and long-suffering in the process to give out information that maybe enlightening to some.
Sanctus, I admire because he is stable and true to his religion. The Lord says,
A fence straddler is like the wave of the sea, up and down.
We both know God, he in his way and I in my way, but the same God we both agree on.
Our agreement is a spiritual one, for who knows what the flesh wants to do.
Peace>>>AJ
That is absolutely right, a right given to us by the first Adam. The second right is afforded us by the second Adam, and that right is to our inheritance, eternal life with God.
believe on the name of the Son of God.
Peace>>>AJ
Everybody preaches something, “a” point of view, talloola.,
It doesn’t necessarily mean religion.
But it so happens that we are discussing a religious issue, and not everybody on board is tolerant to other points of view.
Some take offence to what is being said, while others rise above that and entertain various opinions with no offense taken.
I for one have an understanding based on my research and contemplation on the words of the bible, that all mankind are covered by the blood of Jesus.
In understanding that then, everybody is my brother and or sister.
And we all know that between brothers and sisters there are always rivalries of sorts, but still, brothers and sisters.
That is why the word says:
I take no offence, but I do try to love my brother as within my ability to do so, but at times I have to let God do it in me, since I am a mere human and have my faults.
If there is a specific question, ask it, but be advised that the responses may not be always what you may like.
But I can tell you this much, in my book you are my brother or sister, and whatever views you have are your own.
What should holds us together as brothers and sisters is love.
And love has no boundaries and has no condemnation.
Peace>>>AJ
Good question! The answer lies in the fact that religion regulates what believers should follow.
The best example that I can give you is in my own life.
I was raised a Catholic and was thought that to hear or entertain any other religious view was a mortal sin. And so I feared hell.
But as time went on, I was invited to a Baptist church in which I found a wealth of information I never knew in the bible.
That was my real first exposer to the bible. Prior to that I read out of the Catholic church book.
But I became engrossed in the bible and learned all about who Jesus really was and what effect it had on me.
Well upon acknowledging of a new found Savior, I accepted Him as Lord and Savior. Was Baptized.
Now as like the Catholic Church, there was no tolerance for unbelievers in Jesus. Either you believed in Him, or go to hell.
With all sincerity of belief, both instances my tolerance was that of what I had been thought.
Honestly, ignorance of any other view made one innocent of any wrong doing.
So, tolerance can only be had when ones views are not associated with any organized religious structure, but yet having God as the center of our lives.
I have a great deal of tolerance due to the fact that I now understand somewhat better the works of God in mankind.
I see through the eyes of Jesus, the soul of mankind and there hope to find Jesus.
The soul of mankind is the heart and not the outward appearance.
Peace>>>AJ
Remember that all people, regardless of intention, are often motivated by self-interest. This is not a justification, but a fact of many peoples' existence. We view the world from our own perspective, regardless of how hard we try not to.
Jesus did preach tolerance, but with conditions. This is part of the Scriptures that many people DO NOT want to accept. Christianity, as a faith group and as taught by the Christ, is not an inclusive faith. Its basic foundational structure is based on the premise that there is only one way to obtain salvation, recognition if you will, by God, and that is through Jesus Christ. No other alternative is suggested or offered by Christ Himself or by the writers in the 72 Biblical books.
Tolerance, by defintion, is acceptance of other people in their state of living. It is a fine line Holy Mother Church walks when trying to teach its people exactly how to deal with religious systems differing from the true faith. The Church is clear that God is present in everyone and everything. Yet, that being said, the Church is equally clear that it is the fullness of faith as far as God is concerned. All other systems of belief are deficient in some ways since they lack this fullness of the truth.
In their zeal for sharing this ultimate reality, many people tend to go overboard and this becomes expressed as intolerance. But keep in mind, the Church was given authority and the task of preserving and teaching the faith revealed to us by Christ. Despite the claims of its detractors, it is not a human institution, having been created by God.
That being said, we must be careful in Holy Mother Church to accept the core of each individual, well at the same time teaching each individual the truth of the Christian teachings. We cannot, therefore, condone behaviour and/or beliefs that are destructive to the soul and welfare of humanity. Instead, we must champion what is good and of God, even at the expense of seeming intolerant.
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What you wrote, on the surface, seems fine and dandy. However, I submit to you that non-theists are equally intolerant in their views on the Christian faith. However, where we disgaree on the soucre of our private awareness, yet still we can agree that people CAN be happy determining their state of existence. The difference is we acknowledge the Creator even in those who do not recognize His presence in their lives.
Sanctifying grace is not a "thing". It doesn't cause a relationship with God, it is a relationship with God. It is a doctrine that "Sanctifying grace is not a substance, but a real accident, which inheres in the soul-substance." Now, not being a substance, it has not an objective existence (like the soul of Christ would), but rather is an accident, which is a relative term. In this case, it means a certain Relationship with God, granted by God in baptism which "turns the soul to face Him" as it were, and puts the soul in a certain position (adopted sonship) relative to God. God is always present, but sanctifying grace is a personal relationship with God, a being placed in the communion of trinitarian love and divine life.
Just a few comments about the neo-pagan movement.
(1) It always seems based on hodge-podge, catch-what-you-will spirituality. (This makes it appealing to anyone wanting to smorgasbord their spiritual thinkerings and tinkerings).
(2) You always hear conspiracy theory history. I especially like the bit about "millions killed" by Christians. Now, speaking realistically, how do you kill millions of people without such things as atomic bombs, gas chambers or bubonic plague? This charge is simply hyperbole.
(3) It's just a fancy mask for New Age thinking. Personally, I have conceptual trouble with a religion that just lets you do whatever you want to do.
I don't buy the "No Harm" clause: philosophically, the discernment of damage and harm always must be understood beyond the mere physical sense.
(4) It's connected with the glamourization of Olde Mother Englande. It's almost always the Celts they talk about; never the Vandals or Mongols or Romans. If you're really into Anglophilia, this "pagan" stuff might twitch your bone.
(5) Romans killed plenty of pagans; I suppose this is "Pagan on Pagan" violence. I've read Tacitus' account of Caesar's fighting against the Celts.
One of the foundational beliefs of Protestantism is the doctrine of "sola scriptura" or "scripture alone" - which alleges that the Bible - as interpreted by the individual believer - is the only source of religious authority and is the Christian's sole rule of faith or criterion regarding what is to be believed.
Therefore, in order for the doctrine of "sola scriptura" to be believable, it must be found within the pages of Sacred Scripture; otherwise, "sola scriptura" is a self-refuting doctrine and an extra-Biblical "tradition of men" that should be rejected as a false theological novelty.
Unfortunately for those who hold this doctrine, there is not a single verse of scripture which actually declares that the Bible alone is to be viewed as the believer's sole rule of faith. In fact, the Bible repeatedly directs us to hold fast to "traditions" and teachings passed on orally by the Apostles. Thus, "sola scriptura" is not only un-Biblical but anti-Biblical.
The challenge for Protestants who cling to this false teaching is to answer the question: Where does the Bible teach sola scriptura?
Ephesians 6: 17 - And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.talloola;762795[I said:
The Word is your soul's daily food to against Evil. Because we all believe that the Word becomes Flesh, does it make sense to you that Eucharist is the real presence of Jesus' body and blood when He says:
Mathew 26: 26-28: Take and eat; this is my body. Then He took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying 'Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the convenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins."
Problem is --- humans don't know what real love is.
The Church infuses real love into your heart through her teachings and the Sacraments. The Eucharist, the true Heart of the Church and the true Heart of Christ is the pinnacle of that love.
We are to love, know and serve God in this world so we can be with him in the next world.talloola;762540[I said:
If anyone goes to heaven outside the church, it will because of the blood of Jesus, whether they realize it or not.
But Love would be strong indicator of their searching for the true God.