How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[L Gilbert]

It would seem to me that if you cannot prove it does not exist, it might suggest you may be incorrect?!

I may be incorrect, but there are conspicuously no facts to point to this alleged error.
Um, a fact I've noticed, however, is that creationists and other similar critters like to suggest that evolutionists scientifically prove the thory of evolution yet they refuse to scientifically prove the hypothesis of creation.

 

[sanctus]

I may be incorrect, but there are conspicuously no facts to point to this alleged error.
Um, a fact I've noticed, however, is that creationists and other similar critters like to suggest that evolutionists scientifically prove the thory of evolution yet they refuse to scientifically prove the hypothesis of creation.

What does the creation stories in the Bible have to do with what your disbelief in God? Are you assuming in a literal interpretation of the creation story by the Church and/orChristians? There is no doctrinal error in the theory of evolution in relationship to the creation stories in the Scriptures. Perhaps the fundamentalist
protestants may believe in a literal interpretation, ie" 7 actual days to the creation of the world, but certainly not the Church.

 

[BitWhys]

That was certainly the impression I got from his comment!

a priest agrees that I'm not very christian.

now there's a newsflash.

 

[sanctus]

Missionaries, JWs, etc. Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible something to the effect of "I am the one true and only god"? I think this is where the problem started
I knew a few northern natives who remember these missionaries wandering up there to introduce another god to them, they didn't fight the idea, just accepted that Yahweh was just another god to add to the pile of gods they already had. I also remember reading about these christians who wanted to introduce their faith to various tribes in SouthAm and ended up introducing a myriad of different diseases, as well. ).

Jesus Christ, through His death on the cross as a substitute for you and me, has paid the penalty for our moral failure that is a result of our attitude of independence towards God. He has cleared away what was separating us from God. "For Christ died for your sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous to bring you to God" (I Peter 3:18a).
Some think God is being "narrow-minded" if Jesus is the only way. But the issue is: "Why is there any way to God?" God has been gracious and merciful to provide us with a way back to a personal relationship with Him even though we have rebelled against Him. If humankind could have reached God by any other way, God would not have sacrificed His only Son.
Rather than complain that there aren't more ways to God, the proper response should be to marvel that there is a way and accept it with a heart of gratitude.

 

[sanctus]

a priest agrees that I'm not very christian.

now there's a newsflash.

The priest did not such thing I only commented on the content of your post, not of your heart.

 

[sanctus]

To be fair, I shouldn't just mention christianity as being intrusive, as there are a couple others, too, like those funny doods in the pink robes at airports always shouting "rama rama rama", "hairy hairy hairy", etc.
Um, BTW, no one forces me to do anything, but they do intrude (JWs come to mind and Father Henry is always telling me he prays for me LOL).

Does praying for you, or if you prefer, considering good thoughts directed towards God on your behalf, intrude upon you?

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus

Your words:

If I die before "faith" saves my children, then I have advocated their death and my suicide. I have sinned yet again. Again I remind you I am talking poverty - starvation - in extremis. Trade, fast talk, feeling sorry for others, all these
normal things are out the window when faced with imminent death .... we regress into animal behavior.
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It seems to me that you would compound one sin with another to justify the first. In other words, you are suggesting that because it is a sin to commit suicide, or advocating their death as you put it, it is therefore permissable to steal.

You have created a difficult scenario to justify a disposition to steal. How can I faithfully compile an answer for this situation? So many possiblities exist! Neither you and I can know the outcome...in other words, what if your faith and prayers to God delivers you out of your situation?

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus

I am not afraid of sinning anyway Sanctus because the church also says I am forgiven: a sinner.

Indeed, this would be news to me! Where does the Church, in its teachings, provide permission to commit any sin?

 

[BitWhys]

The priest did not such thing I only commented on the content of your post, not of your heart.

bull****.

pass comment on the fruit and you pass comment on the tree.

ironic you expect me to grant you the very same benefit of the doubt you have already denied me.

 

[sanctus]

bull****.

pass comment on the fruit and you pass comment on the tree.

ironic you expect me to grant you the very same benefit of the doubt you have already denied me.

How fortunate for you to have the ability to see into my mind and heart to indicate to me what I am thinking and/or not thinking! However, you are wrong, I commented only on the post, not on you personally.

 

[BitWhys]

How fortunate for you to have the ability to see into my mind and heart to indicate to me what I am thinking and/or not thinking! However, you are wrong, I commented only on the post, not on you personally.

I don't dispute what you commented on. I take exception to your expressing your impression its not very "christian like". Turnaround, Padre. Do yourself a favour and pick a different heathen to sacrifice.

 

[Curiosity]

Indeed, this would be news to me! Where does the Church, in its teachings, provide permission to commit any sin?

Dear Sanctus

You are twisting my words - I did not say the church provides permission to commit sin - I wrote that it is my belief through the writings of the church - that sins will be forgiven.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a10.htm

Perhaps if I had waited to see if "faith" would provide an alternative to stealing from another, I would die, my children would die, and what would the church say about that? Do they condone suicide and passive inactivity which condemnds a child to death when an alternative is available - that of stealing?

 

[sanctus]

I don't dispute what you commented on. I take exception to your expressing your impression its not very "christian like". Turnaround, Padre. Do yourself a favour and pick a different heathen to sacrifice.

You are wrong. I did not wtie it was unchristian, that was another poster. I merely agreed that your comment was unkind and directed to mapleleafgirl, seemingly.

 

[sanctus]

Dear Sanctus

You are twisting my words - I did not say the church provides permission to commit sin - I wrote that it is my belief through the writings of the church - that sins will be forgiven.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a10.htm

Perhaps if I had waited to see if "faith" would provide an alternative to stealing from another, I would die, my children would die, and what would the church say about that? Do they condone suicide and passive inactivity which condemnds a child to death when an alternative is available - that of stealing?

Yes, sins will be forgiven! But it seemed you were saying they were forgiven in advance. Does the Church condone passive inactivity? A broad question.. but even so the Church does not condone stealing and makes no exceptions for the commandments given us by God. In other words, we cannot say, "because of this or that situation, it is ok for me to violate a commandment from God because the Church will forgive my sins." We are not empowered to bargain with such things. Simply put, what is wrong is wrong..we do not have the luxury of grey areas here.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Dear Sanctus

You are twisting my words - I did not say the church provides permission to commit sin - I wrote that it is my belief through the writings of the church - that sins will be forgiven.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a10.htm

Perhaps if I had waited to see if "faith" would provide an alternative to stealing from another, I would die, my children would die, and what would the church say about that? Do they condone suicide and passive inactivity which condemnds a child to death when an alternative is available - that of stealing?

kind of seems to me you already made your mind up and now are trying to justfiy it. i mean, if it says to steal is a sin and you want o steal, now you are finding excuses to make a wrong a right...my take anyway.
plus you are giving a specific example that is kind of hard to decided cos who knows really what we would do. does god let us make those kinds of decisions i woner?????

 

[Curiosity]

Dear Sanctus

You write:

Simply put, what is wrong is wrong..we do not have the luxury of grey areas here

Ah this is where we part ways - "What the church advocates in its teachings" is not the path I necessarily follow. The church is made up of human interpretation - I tend to rely on my own "human interpretation" of what feels right and what feels wrong.

It is a matter again of free will, exercising what I have been given in intellect and compassion and using them personally - not at the will of a variety of authors over the ages who know nothing of me.

There are many grey areas in the teachings of the church - I believe it makes itself more complicated than necessary to be "above" lesser mortals insofar as it views laypersons. I do not hold with that "grey area" within the church itself.

 

[look3467]

Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Can we sat then that Sin here is: defined as behavior stemming from the guidance of the conscience.

Question is, what are the parameters by which one's own conscience discriminates with?

Some can live with say: abortion, while others condemn it.

So that is like saying, what is sin to me may not be sin to you.

I would answer to that with: "it depends on the point of reference of one's religious up-bringing."

So, would this next verse mean that we should not offend other people who's conscience differ from ours?

1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

In essence, God is telling us that regardless of how clean and pure we my think we are, how holy and spiritual we think we may be, the situation is completely hopeless.

Which only means that we can only be pure, perfect in the body of Christ.

Christ is that perfect one born of God. (Son of God)

Which means that in Him, by living and dieing in Him, we are made perfect, Free from sin.

I leave you with this verse:

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[BitWhys]

You are wrong. I did not wtie it was unchristian, that was another poster. I merely agreed that your comment was unkind and directed to mapleleafgirl, seemingly.

Quoting you, "
Quote:
Originally Posted by mapleleafgirl
i dont get it, so are you saying leaders of churches are dense?


Not so much as you are."

That sure as hell doesn't sound lijke you were referring to church elders but were right out calling MLG dense. Pretty judgemental and not very christian like behavior, IMO.

That was certainly the impression I got from his comment!

the impression I get is that one of these things is not like the other

 

[m_levesque]

the impression I get is that one of these things is not like the other

Fairly brief...so why did you call her dense?

 

[m_levesque]

ot offend other people who's conscience differ from ours?



In essence, God is telling us that regardless of how clean and pure we my think we are, how holy and spiritual we think we may be, the situation is completely hopeless.

Which only means that we can only be pure, perfect in the body of Christ.

Christ is that perfect one born of God. (Son of God)

Which means that in Him, by living and dieing in Him, we are made perfect, Free from sin.

I leave you with this verse:

Peace>>>AJ

When I am aware of the absence of Faith, I try to think logically and I pray that if there is a God and if He is listening to me, that whatever this is, be taken away - though these prayers seem to wane as time during these periods goes on. It seems like I'm, during these times, hanging on by a thread. I try desperately not to let go of Him. When my Faith returns, a peaceful calmness takes hold of my soul.