You're right, there's hardly any Serbs left in Kosovo. The churches are all but destroyed. The Kosovo Albanians have effectively ethnically cleansed Kosovo right under the nose of the UN troops, and the world couldn't care less.
Turkey does not deserve the punishment the EU contemplates.
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You're right, there's hardly any Serbs left in Kosovo. The churches are all but destroyed. The Kosovo Albanians have effectively ethnically cleansed Kosovo right under the nose of the UN troops, and the world couldn't care less.
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You are so wrong and very self-righteous about this. What you are hearing is not bigotry, it is not about the people it is about the religion that is followed through the teachings of Muhammad. You really have to read the Quran if you truly want to see the situation we are discribing. I used to think like you, and then l looked for ways to understand the Islamic people so I could find some understanding about the issues of the War we are embroiled in.
So l took the time to read the Quran and to read about the historical facts, those proven by archeologists and scientist based on real evidence. I also found the good, the bad and the ugly about the Quran on the internet.
I encourage you to read it, and to just take a look at what is at the core of this situation. I wish this wasn't about a 'dusty book', because it would be so much easier to negotiate and find a lasting peace. It shouldn't be about religion, yet it is.
It is line after line of hatred, it is line after line of instructions.The scarey thing is the fanatical way that these Arabs have followed these teachings in the news we see today. The objective of wiping Isreal off the map, as uttered several times for all the world to hear, by the Iranian President, is part of Muhammad's teachings. The Hezzbollah and the fire in their belly, the vow of fighting for land, all this is found in the terrrorism handbook that Mo PERSONALLY had written.
I could go on and on with real life examples of how Muhammad's teachings are being followed today, but l have provided plenty on this thread. Note the kidnapping, the suicide bombers, the celebration and gory mutilation of bodies are all part and parcel of the Quranic teachings. In war, no one has ever celebrated death like this, this is all done to deliver Infidels to ALLAH...
If you have your own opinion fine, but l resent the insult that this is bigotry. The Muslim people feel it is their duty to deliever infidels to ALLAH, add hatred and torture to the mix and it doesn't mesh with peace at all. I feel it is Christ's followers that share the relationship with him that have a duty to inform the world of the core of this situation and how it starts with the prophecies of the bible.
The Law of Islam is about destroying all those who are non-Muslim.It is a hard fact and you can find it in the Quran.
I have nothing but respect for the Arab people who have been decieved by a man who has lead them astray, it is cheating them of their rightful inheritance, the oil.Curently the oil is being sold and the profits go to only a few and they keep from being murdered by paying for terrorism...an extortion if you will, but one based on their distain for the Western countries who, after all, are infidels....
VIEWS about Muhammad;s teachings as being wrong is based on those who have taken the time to read the Quranic verses, which by the way contained the SATANIC VERSES, the rantings of Mu and titled by Mu.
Read it and then tell us it isn't the core of the problem.
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My husband did two yes two tours over there as a peace keeper nice try thou. Warm and safe from your Brick sofa Facty?
Zzarcov wrote: If a bunch of blue collar christians have a pig roast after a long ardous job well done no one says anything. But Muslims (since they don't eat pork) have a Camel BBQ and all of a sudden its a "sacrifice", they state on BBC its no any kind of religious observance, so why is it a "Sacrifice" and not a BBQ like it would be here?
Well, well can you imagine the pain and suffering of this large animal as they tortured it to death? I can, I've riden them several times have you? I grew up on the back of a horse sunshine. Camels aren't hateful cranky spitters, they are gentle and kind animals unlike those who thought it would be fun to beat it to death at an Airport Zzarcov. Of course from your post that's like "Way cool". We Christians kill our food before we eat it, and not by beating it to death. I don't hate Muslims I loathe Extreme Islam.
Killing anything by torture is not fun or "Blue Collar" unless of course you are??????????????????
Zzarcov wrote: Are we really that horribley Islamophobic? Nice try but that tactic is so tired and out dated like the racist card. Note to you Zzarcov: It's a freaking religion not a race because if it were the Muslims would be wearing the crown on "racism" not me. Thanks so much for sharing your extreme views. Nesa Dorma.
Oh boy.
1.) Most Turks haven't read the Quran. Have most "Christians" read the bible..have you? Fewer still FOLLOW the Quran. I know turks, I go and have a few drinks with them..they LOVE strip clubs. These are all patently forbidden by by both the bible and Quran, doesn't stop either party from going along with it. They are litterally just like us, in that they ignore religion on pretty much every facet that would inconvenience them (ie..notice how there are alot of rich christians despite it being forbidden?)
2.) Sassylassy.. Do you eat Bacon?
Do you have any idea how intelligent a Pig is? Its smarter than a dog and makes just as good of a pet. I play with my friends pet pig all the time.
You telling me my family are all savages because they are farmers, making the bacon this country loves to put on everything?
Do you know HOW we kill animals we are going to eat? WE BEAT IT TO DEATH WITH A HAMMER! Just like they did, smash in the skull. In factories we use an air driven spike or other form of the same fate. There is no happy fun way to kill and eat a living being. Never the less, we do all the time, and we don't feel bad about it.
That you call Turkey a Muslim Extremist Nation is like calling America a Christian Extremist Nation. If you honestly believe that then you have no idea what an Extremist nation is.
1.) Most Turks haven't read the Quran. Have most "Christians" read the bible..have you? Fewer still FOLLOW the Quran. I know turks, I go and have a few drinks with them..they LOVE strip clubs. These are all patently forbidden by by both the bible and Quran, doesn't stop either party from going along with it. They are litterally just like us, in that they ignore religion on pretty much every facet that would inconvenience them (ie..notice how there are alot of rich christians despite it being forbidden?)
2.) Sassylassy.. Do you eat Bacon?
Do you have any idea how intelligent a Pig is? Its smarter than a dog and makes just as good of a pet. I play with my friends pet pig all the time.
You telling me my family are all savages because they are farmers, making the bacon this country loves to put on everything?
Do you know HOW we kill animals we are going to eat? WE BEAT IT TO DEATH WITH A HAMMER! Just like they did, smash in the skull. In factories we use an air driven spike or other form of the same fate. There is no happy fun way to kill and eat a living being. Never the less, we do all the time, and we don't feel bad about it.
That you call Turkey a Muslim Extremist Nation is like calling America a Christian Extremist Nation. If you honestly believe that then you have no idea what an Extremist nation is.
another reason why turkey is not civilized enough to be part of the European Union, they fund terrorism and refuse to answer any questions about why it is being allowed to continue...
Sassy Lassie, you are so correct the mass genocide of the Kurds is just part of the 5000 Human Rights Abuses that the Turkish Government must own up to. They continue to profit from these outrageous actions that defy our comprehension.
Why does this happen, because like Hitler Geramany it is a devoted following of one, Muhammad, and the teachings of the Koran are the teachings of a hate filled terrorist. Everyone needs to read the Quran, in a few minutes you will clearly see what is behind all the murder, persecution, rape, violence, robbery.
This Turkish government is in fact lawless as it is corrupt, and it is ruled from an ancient grave, from the man who wrote the SATANIC VERSES, yes, Muhammad. Enemy to anyone who is not percieved to be a correct Muslim.
Sassy Lassie, you are so correct the mass genocide of the Kurds is just part of the 5000 Human Rights Abuses that the Turkish Government must own up to. They continue to profit from these outrageous actions that defy our comprehension.
Why does this happen, because like Hitler Geramany it is a devoted following of one, Muhammad, and the teachings of the Koran are the teachings of a hate filled terrorist. Everyone needs to read the Quran, in a few minutes you will clearly see what is behind all the murder, persecution, rape, violence, robbery.
This Turkish government is in fact lawless as it is corrupt, and it is ruled from an ancient grave, from the man who wrote the SATANIC VERSES, yes, Muhammad. Enemy to anyone who is not percieved to be a correct Muslim.
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Not sure what your point is. Actually, my sofa is from Leons, but it's about as comfy as a brick!
NorthStar..If you are buying that "Moon God" bunk I think you should look closer at that fine publications other theories..
Namely that Masons and Catholics worship the devil, and that its "100%" proven. So then wouldn't Moon god worshippers and Satanic European Catholics go good togethor?
Hey, maybe they will start playing D&D too, get all the evil rolled into one.
Namely that Masons and Catholics worship the devil, and that its "100%" proven. So then wouldn't Moon god worshippers and Satanic European Catholics go good togethor?
Hey, maybe they will start playing D&D too, get all the evil rolled into one.
The TimesDecember 16, 2006
Tony Blair before leaving Brussels yesterday on his way to Turkey. He's a strong ally of Turkey. (Frances Leader/AP)
Blair seeks alliance with Turkey
David Charter and Rory Watson in Brussels
**He says door to EU must stay open
**Moderate Islam 'key to Middle East'
Countries in favour of Turkey joining the EU: Britain, Germany, France, Poland, Italy, United States.
Countries against Turkey joining the EU: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus
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Tony Blair flew to Turkey last night to bolster its case for joining the European Union and give a boost to moderate Muslims before a direct appeal to Middle East leaders to ease tension in the West Bank.
As Mr Blair left Brussels, the 18 nations that have signed the EU constitution sprang a surprise by announcing their own summit in Madrid in January to work out how to resurrect the document — a move seen as an attempt to hijack the debate and put pressure on Britain and others to sign up to a revived text next year.
Downing Street said that the clashes between rival Palestinian groups yesterday demonstrated the importance of encouraging a moderate, secular Turkey to join the EU so that it could continue to act as a force for reform in the area.
Mr Blair will tell Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, that the door to Europe remains firmly open despite agreement at an EU summit yesterday partly to freeze accession talks as a punishment for Turkey’s failure to open trade with Cyprus.
He has said that he will also talk to Mahmoud Abbas, the head of Fatah and the President of the Palestinian Authority, about forming a government that includes Hamas to release substantial EU funding. And he plans to speak to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister.
Mr Blair told the Labour conference that he would do all he could to bring peace to the Middle East, which he sees as part of his legacy once he leaves office next year. Speaking in Brussels yesterday, he said: “For the broader global interests of the EU and also Britain, it is important that we continue the process to accession with Turkey and we do not shut the door to Turkey’s membership.
“We recognise this has got an importance not just in relation to Turkey but to wider relationships between the West and the Muslim world. It is also part, at least, of the backdrop to the broader Middle East and in particular to trying to make sure that, if there is any way possible at all, we should try to achieve a Palestinian government with which we and the rest of the world can deal.”
Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, called this month for a strict deadline to be imposed on Turkey to meet its obligations to Cyprus but, having lost the argument, Germany seems to be softening its attitude. Mrs Merkel told the German parliament on Thursday that she supported Turkey’s eventual EU membership.
Although she had wanted to ignore Turkey during her six-month presidency of the EU, which starts on January 1, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the Foreign Minister, said yesterday that he would work hard to end the trade dispute with Cyprus and to secure EU funding for Turkish-controlled Northern Cyprus.
Mrs Merkel also pledged to work hard on redrawing the failed EU constitutional treaty and announced that she has asked every country to appoint a special representative to negotiate the way forward for an eventual solution by the end of 2008. She faced an ambush, however, from the countries that have already ratified the original document. Luxembourg and Spain proposed forming an 18-nation pressure group to campaign “for the substance of the text which we ratified”.
In a letter announcing a “friends of the constitution” summit of the 18 in Madrid on January 26, they added: “The goal of this meeting is to make an assessment of the situation in our countries and act together on the road to take.”
Britain, along with France and the Netherlands, which rejected the constitution in referendums, will not be invited. But they will be asked to a follow-up summit in February, another idea seen as provocative and divisive by the countries that have yet to ratify the constitution. Jan Peter Balkenende, the Dutch Prime Minister, said: “The charter in its current form is unacceptable. This [plan] should not be allowed to gather momentum.”
dailymail.co.uk
Tony Blair before leaving Brussels yesterday on his way to Turkey. He's a strong ally of Turkey. (Frances Leader/AP)
Blair seeks alliance with Turkey
David Charter and Rory Watson in Brussels
**He says door to EU must stay open
**Moderate Islam 'key to Middle East'
Countries against Turkey joining the EU: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus
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Tony Blair flew to Turkey last night to bolster its case for joining the European Union and give a boost to moderate Muslims before a direct appeal to Middle East leaders to ease tension in the West Bank.
As Mr Blair left Brussels, the 18 nations that have signed the EU constitution sprang a surprise by announcing their own summit in Madrid in January to work out how to resurrect the document — a move seen as an attempt to hijack the debate and put pressure on Britain and others to sign up to a revived text next year.
Downing Street said that the clashes between rival Palestinian groups yesterday demonstrated the importance of encouraging a moderate, secular Turkey to join the EU so that it could continue to act as a force for reform in the area.
Mr Blair will tell Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister, that the door to Europe remains firmly open despite agreement at an EU summit yesterday partly to freeze accession talks as a punishment for Turkey’s failure to open trade with Cyprus.
He has said that he will also talk to Mahmoud Abbas, the head of Fatah and the President of the Palestinian Authority, about forming a government that includes Hamas to release substantial EU funding. And he plans to speak to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister.
Mr Blair told the Labour conference that he would do all he could to bring peace to the Middle East, which he sees as part of his legacy once he leaves office next year. Speaking in Brussels yesterday, he said: “For the broader global interests of the EU and also Britain, it is important that we continue the process to accession with Turkey and we do not shut the door to Turkey’s membership.
“We recognise this has got an importance not just in relation to Turkey but to wider relationships between the West and the Muslim world. It is also part, at least, of the backdrop to the broader Middle East and in particular to trying to make sure that, if there is any way possible at all, we should try to achieve a Palestinian government with which we and the rest of the world can deal.”
Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, called this month for a strict deadline to be imposed on Turkey to meet its obligations to Cyprus but, having lost the argument, Germany seems to be softening its attitude. Mrs Merkel told the German parliament on Thursday that she supported Turkey’s eventual EU membership.
Although she had wanted to ignore Turkey during her six-month presidency of the EU, which starts on January 1, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the Foreign Minister, said yesterday that he would work hard to end the trade dispute with Cyprus and to secure EU funding for Turkish-controlled Northern Cyprus.
Mrs Merkel also pledged to work hard on redrawing the failed EU constitutional treaty and announced that she has asked every country to appoint a special representative to negotiate the way forward for an eventual solution by the end of 2008. She faced an ambush, however, from the countries that have already ratified the original document. Luxembourg and Spain proposed forming an 18-nation pressure group to campaign “for the substance of the text which we ratified”.
In a letter announcing a “friends of the constitution” summit of the 18 in Madrid on January 26, they added: “The goal of this meeting is to make an assessment of the situation in our countries and act together on the road to take.”
Britain, along with France and the Netherlands, which rejected the constitution in referendums, will not be invited. But they will be asked to a follow-up summit in February, another idea seen as provocative and divisive by the countries that have yet to ratify the constitution. Jan Peter Balkenende, the Dutch Prime Minister, said: “The charter in its current form is unacceptable. This [plan] should not be allowed to gather momentum.”
dailymail.co.uk
Reasons put forward FOR Turkey's membership of the EU
Economic
An important argument in favor is that Turkey has a very dynamic, rapidly modernizing economy. In 2004 and 2005, growth was above 7%, being far above average growth in the EU. Although the current GNP per capita is still lower than all of the other new EU-countries, the current economic growth rate suggests that in a few years, Turkey will have overtaken several of these.
In addition, Turkey has a young population. That, combined with the huge size of the country, and its growth rates, constitutes a major dynamism and a huge opportunity for the EU.
There are alleged double standards in the requisites for Turkish membership. While some refuse Turkey's admission on the grounds of its territory being mostly Asian, Cyprus is also considered to be geographically Asian. Turkey is poor but not significantly more so than Bulgaria and Romania which will be joining in 2007 (not to mention that Turkish football teams compete in European competitions such as the UEFA Cup and the European Cup).
NATO connection
Outside Turkey, Atlanticist countries such as the United Kingdom believe that Turkey, having been a staunch NATO ally, would help counteract France's usually independent stance towards the United States.
In non-Atlanticist (anti-American) countries such as France (and Germany), this is of course seen as an argument against Turkish membership (although Chirac is in favour of Turkish membership).
Many in the West hope that Turkish membership would cement its alignment with the West. Turkey is a strong regional military power that might give the EU more weight in hotspots like Syria, Iraq or Iran. Alternatively some believe that conditional Turkish membership would encourage moves towards more stable economic growth, democratic government and a less interfering military. This could potentially provide a model of democracy for the rest of the Middle East, comparable to the role played by Western Europe in the Cold War.
Historical
Turkey also stresses its involvement in European history for about 1000 years, through the Ottoman Empire and as the seat of the Eastern Roman Empire. It considers itself a European state.
Religious
A prevalent point of view from Ankara as well as members of the EU is that EU can be called a "Christian club", and there are suspicions of allowing such a large Muslim country in. However, the foundation of the European Union was never claimed to be on religious grounds, so this argument is something that seems to trouble the general population rather than specific politicians or experts.
European Christians who had converted to Islam freely rose to the highest position in the Ottoman Empire. More Grand Viziers were ethnic Albanian, Slav, or Greek devshirmes, rather than Turks. Even the maternal lineage of Ottoman Sultans was non-Turkish after the first few generations. The Ottomans made key contributions to European culture.
The Turks consider their state a strongly secular one, just as the EU defines itself (for example with the abandonment of the proposals to make reference to Europe's Christian heritage in the draft European Constitution). Compared with the neighbouring Arabic Muslim states, this secular character is obvious. However, the severe discriminations of all other religions than the Sunni, of ethnic minorities and of dissenting opinions make it impossible to consider Turkey as 'secular' in the European meaning of the word. Therefore, many consider Turkey as only partially secular.
Demographics
Turkey's overwhelmingly Muslim population would lend considerable weight to EU multi-culturalism efforts and might help to prevent potential scenarios involving a clash of civilizations. At the same time, Turkey's young (23% of population is under 15) and well-educated population might act as a balance for the increasingly aging populations of the current EU. In relation to this, Samuel Huntington regards Turkey as a split country in his book Clash of Civilizations, which could drift off to Islamism and/or nationalism if European integration fails.
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Economic
An important argument in favor is that Turkey has a very dynamic, rapidly modernizing economy. In 2004 and 2005, growth was above 7%, being far above average growth in the EU. Although the current GNP per capita is still lower than all of the other new EU-countries, the current economic growth rate suggests that in a few years, Turkey will have overtaken several of these.
In addition, Turkey has a young population. That, combined with the huge size of the country, and its growth rates, constitutes a major dynamism and a huge opportunity for the EU.
There are alleged double standards in the requisites for Turkish membership. While some refuse Turkey's admission on the grounds of its territory being mostly Asian, Cyprus is also considered to be geographically Asian. Turkey is poor but not significantly more so than Bulgaria and Romania which will be joining in 2007 (not to mention that Turkish football teams compete in European competitions such as the UEFA Cup and the European Cup).
NATO connection
Outside Turkey, Atlanticist countries such as the United Kingdom believe that Turkey, having been a staunch NATO ally, would help counteract France's usually independent stance towards the United States.
In non-Atlanticist (anti-American) countries such as France (and Germany), this is of course seen as an argument against Turkish membership (although Chirac is in favour of Turkish membership).
Many in the West hope that Turkish membership would cement its alignment with the West. Turkey is a strong regional military power that might give the EU more weight in hotspots like Syria, Iraq or Iran. Alternatively some believe that conditional Turkish membership would encourage moves towards more stable economic growth, democratic government and a less interfering military. This could potentially provide a model of democracy for the rest of the Middle East, comparable to the role played by Western Europe in the Cold War.
Historical
Turkey also stresses its involvement in European history for about 1000 years, through the Ottoman Empire and as the seat of the Eastern Roman Empire. It considers itself a European state.
Religious
A prevalent point of view from Ankara as well as members of the EU is that EU can be called a "Christian club", and there are suspicions of allowing such a large Muslim country in. However, the foundation of the European Union was never claimed to be on religious grounds, so this argument is something that seems to trouble the general population rather than specific politicians or experts.
European Christians who had converted to Islam freely rose to the highest position in the Ottoman Empire. More Grand Viziers were ethnic Albanian, Slav, or Greek devshirmes, rather than Turks. Even the maternal lineage of Ottoman Sultans was non-Turkish after the first few generations. The Ottomans made key contributions to European culture.
The Turks consider their state a strongly secular one, just as the EU defines itself (for example with the abandonment of the proposals to make reference to Europe's Christian heritage in the draft European Constitution). Compared with the neighbouring Arabic Muslim states, this secular character is obvious. However, the severe discriminations of all other religions than the Sunni, of ethnic minorities and of dissenting opinions make it impossible to consider Turkey as 'secular' in the European meaning of the word. Therefore, many consider Turkey as only partially secular.
Demographics
Turkey's overwhelmingly Muslim population would lend considerable weight to EU multi-culturalism efforts and might help to prevent potential scenarios involving a clash of civilizations. At the same time, Turkey's young (23% of population is under 15) and well-educated population might act as a balance for the increasingly aging populations of the current EU. In relation to this, Samuel Huntington regards Turkey as a split country in his book Clash of Civilizations, which could drift off to Islamism and/or nationalism if European integration fails.
wikipedia.org
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http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17976
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/turkey_warns_of.php
so now these Turkish people, the same ones that publically will beat a camel to death, who follow the Quranic teaching of 'death to all infidels' are threatening us...
I am completely baffled as to how people don't get this...this is yet ANOTHER example of Islam in action...if you don't do what we want we will KILL YOU???!!!
these are butchers who beat a harmeless camel to death and threaten that if we don't comply they will come into our communities and murder us...comply or die
http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17976http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17976http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=17976
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/turkey_warns_of.php
so now these Turkish people, the same ones that publically will beat a camel to death, who follow the Quranic teaching of 'death to all infidels' are threatening us...
I am completely baffled as to how people don't get this...this is yet ANOTHER example of Islam in action...if you don't do what we want we will KILL YOU???!!!
these are butchers who beat a harmeless camel to death and threaten that if we don't comply they will come into our communities and murder us...comply or die
Location: southeastern Europe and southwestern Asia (that portion of Turkey west of the Bosporus is geographically part of Europe), bordering the Black Sea, between Bulgaria and Georgia, and bordering the Aegean Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, between Greece and Syria
Population: 65,666,677 (July 2000 est.)
Ethnic groups: Turkish 80%, Kurdish 20%
Religions: Muslim 99.8% (mostly Sunni), other 0.2% (Christian and Jews)
Languages: Turkish (official), Kurdish, Arabic, Armenian, Greek
Area: total: 780,580 sq km
land: 770,760 sq km
water: 9,820 sq km
Natural resources: antimony, coal, chromium, mercury, copper, borate, sulfur, iron ore, arable land, hydropower
Just some facts for the ridiculous people who are going on about how this isn't a majoristy Islamic nation...
And the assault and torture an innocent harmeless camel as just part of the days fun in Turkey, on behalf of Allah the MoonGod, and then within the same few weeks threaten the world to unleash all the nasty Muhammad followers upon us in a wave of violence destruction and murder if we don't comply....all in the name of Allah.
And l highly suggest that people read the actual Quran, so you understand the underlying hatred of mainstream Islam that feeds these people with deeply disturbing teachings of hatred and violence.
Check out the Propet of Doom [refering to the author of the Satanic verses, Muhammad} website, they show the original versions approved by renowned and unquestionable accurate scholars
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam
This is the majority of these people who live in Turk, and they have made life a living hell for all Non-Islamists. All Scripturally approved. Now they want a shot at the rest of the world...a little genocide cocktail anyone????
camel killers!!!!!!!!!
5000 human right abuse cases and counting....
+ one camel [reported}
Northstar wrote: 5000 human right abuse cases and counting....
+ one camel [reported}
I don't know wheather to laugh or cry I really don't. Can you image how that camel suffered, I grew up on a farm and I've seen animals slaughter for food. But to beat this large animal to death, where is the empathy and compassion. It makes me sick, but then again Lassie made me cry and I've never seen Old Yeller in its entirety. I'd never trust a human that could be cruel to an animal like those mentioned in the article. Shameful and barbaric, it's the year 2006 it's time to dust off the knuckles and learn to walk upright Turkey. ( I wonder how this country ended up named after Fowl? )
+ one camel [reported}
I don't know wheather to laugh or cry I really don't. Can you image how that camel suffered, I grew up on a farm and I've seen animals slaughter for food. But to beat this large animal to death, where is the empathy and compassion. It makes me sick, but then again Lassie made me cry and I've never seen Old Yeller in its entirety. I'd never trust a human that could be cruel to an animal like those mentioned in the article. Shameful and barbaric, it's the year 2006 it's time to dust off the knuckles and learn to walk upright Turkey. ( I wonder how this country ended up named after Fowl? )
How is that different from the seal hunt? I'm sure you'd hate to see how dogs are killed in China and South Korea for food. They are purposefully tortured. How was this camel killed exactly?
Is changing religion in Turkey a criminal offense like someone stated earlier? I'd love to see some proof of that one.
Is changing religion in Turkey a criminal offense like someone stated earlier? I'd love to see some proof of that one.
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Sassy Lassie, I totally agree, and thank-you for pointing at the Camel because again this is mainstream Islam in action, and they are barbarians...the religion just loves violence and this is an example of people getting a fix for their violent Muhammad -loving hatred.
In our society, they say the makings of socialpathic murders begin in abuse of innocent family pets. Similarly, Camels are truly beautiful and gentle beasts, and in their helplessness, this group of people, working people that you would meet if your ever decided to fly on AIR TURKEY , tortured it, beating in in great enjoyment, just for fun...it was entertainment and service to their teacher, the author of the SATANIC VERSES Muhammad.
In order to understand the mindset of the Islamic teaching and how they absolutely do not work with our societial values, read the Quran, it is difficult to believe that people actually believe and follow the warped idealogy that justifies enjoying maiming and violating a helpless animal/
In our society, they say the makings of socialpathic murders begin in abuse of innocent family pets. Similarly, Camels are truly beautiful and gentle beasts, and in their helplessness, this group of people, working people that you would meet if your ever decided to fly on AIR TURKEY , tortured it, beating in in great enjoyment, just for fun...it was entertainment and service to their teacher, the author of the SATANIC VERSES Muhammad.
In order to understand the mindset of the Islamic teaching and how they absolutely do not work with our societial values, read the Quran, it is difficult to believe that people actually believe and follow the warped idealogy that justifies enjoying maiming and violating a helpless animal/
Camels are beautiful beasts? And what of Pigs and Cows (whom about a billion people would revile in horror at the thought of our burger craze). Pigs are as cute and lovable as dogs, Cows make good pets too. Most farmers end up with one or two cherised livestock that end up as pets not food.
And we beat them to death with a hammer.
And knock off with the moon god crap, stop reading Jack Chick.
I'd almost forgotten about this thread till I just now got a reminder in my inbox you'd posted, lighting fast email there.
So Northstar..you are vegitarian then right?
And we beat them to death with a hammer.
And knock off with the moon god crap, stop reading Jack Chick.
I'd almost forgotten about this thread till I just now got a reminder in my inbox you'd posted, lighting fast email there.
So Northstar..you are vegitarian then right?
ZZ, don't take my comments so personally, l enjoy the conflict otherwise l wouldn't bother here.
I like all animals, l spent part of my childhood on a farm.
Actually, Tea with Terrorists, and you will find it interesting, if just to criticize.
MOON GOD ALLAH, Worshipping the ROCK, just so you know, the solid foundation of the Law of Islam created by the first terrorists.
I am so happy l have a fan.
:wave:
Nope, l eat pig, snails, seafood and cow...l haven't tried camel...but you know all this attention geesh....now excuse me l have to go hunting...
I like all animals, l spent part of my childhood on a farm.
Actually, Tea with Terrorists, and you will find it interesting, if just to criticize.
MOON GOD ALLAH, Worshipping the ROCK, just so you know, the solid foundation of the Law of Islam created by the first terrorists.
I am so happy l have a fan.
:wave:
Nope, l eat pig, snails, seafood and cow...l haven't tried camel...but you know all this attention geesh....now excuse me l have to go hunting...
No Muslim, it is a different situation, the camel was publically tortured and that action was celebrated...Sociopathic activity that is scripturally approved by a peophile deciever who rapes, robs and torture and murders all in the name of Allah.
this is outlawed in our country, it is called animal abuse.
this is outlawed in our country, it is called animal abuse.