Since neither of you can prove it was live or rubber ammo, quit while you are ahead.
Barbarian/nazi IDF shoot unarmed peaceful protestors
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Since neither of you can prove it was live or rubber ammo, quit while you are ahead.
Where, in the hell did you guys take the information that IDF is using rubber bullet???
Name one other nation in the world where their human rights are denied?? sorrounded by walls, which are threee times the size(height) as those made in germany, which are about 2 times longer.name just one.
The phylosophie behind israel policy isnt "one bullet, one palestinians" is more like " 2 soldiers kidnapped, then an entire nation that will be destroyed" like we have seen in lebanon, look in the last 50 years to what happened to palestinians, it is exactly what the world screams about terrorist groups where their vision is to drag israel into the sea, in fact it is exactly what israel is doing to palestinians, on top of it, they are supported by westerns sheep nations.
OK for the last time...
1, The magazines in their weapons are clearly marked with red electrical tape. This is usually a good sign that the ammunition contained there in, is special in someway.
2, If you waych the video, there are no bodies laying on the ground, no one being dragged, no blood, Just screaming and wailing.
3, The same ammunition is used by UN Forces, to prevent unnesseccary deaths. It is also used along with bean bags by several Law Enforcement Agencies across North America, to disspurse people.
The evidence in the video you provided, shows those that have seen this sort of action, that the bullets in question are RUBBER.
Colpy teaches Law Enforcement Agencies about weaponry, and I've used it, as well as seen it used many times. I've even been hit with a rubber bullet. I yelped like a pup and it hurt like hell. That's the point. It hurts, but unless it hits a sensitive area, it is non leathal.
1, The magazines in their weapons are clearly marked with red electrical tape. This is usually a good sign that the ammunition contained there in, is special in someway.
2, If you waych the video, there are no bodies laying on the ground, no one being dragged, no blood, Just screaming and wailing.
3, The same ammunition is used by UN Forces, to prevent unnesseccary deaths. It is also used along with bean bags by several Law Enforcement Agencies across North America, to disspurse people.
The evidence in the video you provided, shows those that have seen this sort of action, that the bullets in question are RUBBER.
Colpy teaches Law Enforcement Agencies about weaponry, and I've used it, as well as seen it used many times. I've even been hit with a rubber bullet. I yelped like a pup and it hurt like hell. That's the point. It hurts, but unless it hits a sensitive area, it is non leathal.
Agree that calling Israeli soldiers Nazis is totally dumb-after what the Jewish people went through during WW2 at the hands of the German regimes. This is perhaps the reason the soldiers seem to be overly zealous in their dealings with enemy combattants..Never Again, and all that.
Dont forget one fact, israelis soldiers didnt survived the holocostk, they werent even alilve at the time.
Calling israeli policy a fascist state, inspired by nazi isnt dumb is the reality, here is what the albert einstein and many great jews/zionist phylosopher says about israel.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dissent/Einstein_NYTimes_Israel.html
""Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."""
what the nazi did to the jews was bad, but it doesnt give them the right to do the same on palestinians.
Can you name just one group of peoples who has lived under the same situation as the palestinians in the past??
think about it.....
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Bear
I just realized we are growing a whole new division in our internet forae - that of Youtubers - no not a veggie - but a genuine picture taker with cellphone kinda wannabe journalistic creature who stands on little old ladies' backs to get the right shot in a crowd.
Onward and sideways soldiers!!!
I just realized we are growing a whole new division in our internet forae - that of Youtubers - no not a veggie - but a genuine picture taker with cellphone kinda wannabe journalistic creature who stands on little old ladies' backs to get the right shot in a crowd.
Onward and sideways soldiers!!!
Ah yes WC, you are right. Even if what is shot is taken out of context and distorted and then touted as something it is not, then defended viamently and those that can actually see through open eyes are just negated and called names, like nazi and neo con. Business as usual and always it always busy here at Bear's Balanced View and Debunkers Emporium.
First, you need to do a little more historical research and find out what some of the words you're using really mean. Nazism, for instance, is a particular form of fascism peculiar to the National Socialist German Workers Party led by Adolf Hitler until 1945, when it and he died. The word nazism describes the ideological underpinnings of the party, and more generally the policies of the German government it led between 1933 and 1945. Unless you can show a point by point similarity between Israeli policy and the Nazi positions on nationalism, socialism, militarism, racism (particularly the Nazi view of gypsies, jews, slavs, homosexuals, etc.), religion, and so on, labelling Israeli policy and/or the IDF's behaviour as "nazi" does nothing but prove your ignorance. Maybe you should start by looking up fascism, it's the more general term, nazism is a uniquely repulsive and insane variant of it.
Second, once you've educated yourself, you should be able to come up with your own way to describe Israeli policy without having to use the inflammatory, inaccurate, and darkly emotive labels of failed and discredited ideologies like nazism and fascism.
Third, and finally, when you've demonstrated that you actually do know what you're talking about and understand the meanings of the words you're using, I might be inclined to think there might be some substance in your rants.
Oh sorry , i just didnt know denying human rights on daily basis, destroying houses, , with tremendous walls, constantly attacks on innoncent civilians, and infrastructure, to keep the palestinians away from being educated , having a normal life and more importantly to create a culture of hate, to justified their deadly policy, didnt desserved to be called nazi or a fascist state, ok i admit i 've gone to far calling them nazi, but how do you call israel(policy) with all the damage they have done around them??
however it is clear to me, israel is a fascist state, the video that i linked proved it. no doubt about it.
Yeah, that's about what I expected: sarcasm and unsubstantiated claims. You did indeed go too far. I've taken no position on Israeli policy, and I can't pretend I understand it. I'd have to agree with you on a lot of things, it certainly does appear to be unnecessarily brutal and oppressive sometimes, and I've had a lot of arguments about such things with Jewish friends here, but the evidence you've presented doesn't prove Israel can legitimately be called fascist or nazi. The video you linked to in your first post shows an isolated incident at which some soldiers fired upon an apparently peaceful demonstration. The first shots looked like tear gas grenades, and there's no evidence anybody was killed, though it's clear one man was injured. However, no context is provided for the event, there are some isolated bits of translation but generally I have no way of knowing what was being said by either the demonstrators or the soldiers. In short, it's impossible to know what's really going on in that video. There's a crowd of demonstrators carrying recognizable flags, there are a few guys in military gear opposing them, some shots are fired, there's a lot of shouting in a language I don't understand, and one guy gets hurt. What does that prove? Nothing, beyond the observations I just made.
Pay close attention here, Logic 7: I'm not saying you're wrong, and in fact I'd say you're probably right about at least some things in this context (like the repression of and restrictions on Palestinians, for instance, though to really understand that situation you also have to examine the behaviour of the Muslim states surrounding Israel toward the Palestinian refugees, all the way back to 1948). All I'm trying to tell you is that you haven't substantiated your claims, you have in fact damaged your credibility by committing logical fallacies like the ad hominem attack that called Israelis Nazis and fascists, and you've used words you clearly don't really understand the meaning of. I'm fairly confident a good case could be made against Israel for its treatment of certain minorities. You haven't made it, but you think you have, because you were convinced from the outset that you're right, you considered only the evidence that supports your view and ignored anything that doesn't. That's a logical error called confirmation bias. The situation is far more complex than you seem to understand.
You're obviously not stupid, but you don't know how to think critically. No shame in that, most people don't, it's a learned skill that takes effort and practice like anything else, and our educational systems do a terrible job of teaching it. Browse this site: www.skepdic.com .
You addressed not a single point in my post. They were:
1. You claim the Israelis are trying to kill off the Palestinian population, yet the Arab population inside Israel has grown by a factor of 6 since 1948 (you call that a THRIVING population......) and the refugee population has grown by a facttor of 4. Explain please.
2. You accuse the Israelis of trying to kill off the Lebanese........yet their tens of thousands of the best bombs, shells, rockets and troops only managed to kill 1800 Lebanese in six weeks. Explain please.
3. You claim the Israelis are like the Nazis, yet the thriving Arab population in Israel votes, holds seats in the Knesset, etc. Explain please.
4. You claim Israelis in your films are shooting down protestors, yet we see no bodies, no blood. Explain please.
Good Luck.