Technical question on WTC collapse

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The Terrorist that lurk on the net must be damn proud of you Logic, you fell for their propaganda hook line and sinker. Scary stuff, here's an article that tells what the terrorist are up to visa vie the West.


al-Qaeda's Political Warfare: Isolating America

Steve

There can be no doubt that al-Qaeda intends to reach the voters in Western democracies in order to bring about elected governments that will ease the pressure put on the terrorist organization. With the American midterm elections just one week away, the Jamestown Foundation’s Michael Scheuer offers a brief, effective overview of this strategy and its successes to date in Al-Qaeda Doctrine for International Political Warfare.
Bin Laden has tied this quasi-foreign policy closely to Islamist military activities and has laid it out as a doctrine to be followed by al-Qaeda and its associates. This foreign policy—or political warfare strategy—is to be delivered over the heads of U.S. and Western leaders to voters in non-Muslim countries and is meant to do two things: change the policies of countries allied with the United States by eroding popular support for assisting the United States in fighting the war on terrorism, and, second, slowly strip allies away from the United States and leave it increasingly isolated.​
Scheuer goes on to cite bin Laden messages that were timed and delivered for precisely this purpose. Just how successful has this strategy been? Consider the concise list of major political shifts.
- The conservative, pro-U.S. government of Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar was defeated in an election soon after the March 2003 Madrid attack. The victorious socialist regime of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is less pro-American and has withdrawn Spanish troops from Iraq. - In the summer of 2006, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s conservative, pro-U.S. government was defeated by a narrow margin, much of which appears to have consisted of those voters opposed to Rome’s support for the U.S.-led war in Iraq. The new Italian government is planning to reduce the number of Italian troops in Iraq.
- After facing a near revolt this summer in his Labor Party, British Prime Minister Tony Blair was compelled to appease the dissenters by announcing that he would step down from the premiership before he had intended to do so. The Labor Party’s anger—backed by many public opinion polls—stemmed from Blair’s hardy support for Washington’s war on terrorism.
- In October 2006, a group of Thai military officers staged a coup that removed Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra from office. Allegations of corruption have since been made against Thaksin, but the generals appear to have acted in large part to stop Thaksin’s harsh military and law-enforcement operations against Islamist separatists in the country’s three Muslim-dominated southern provinces. The coup leaders named a Muslim Thai general as the new prime minister, and he immediately announced his willingness to slow military operations and consider increased autonomy for the southern provinces—actions that Thaksin had refused to do.
- In mid-October 2006, sources “close to the [French] military” leaked information showing that President Jacques Chirac’s government—in the face of rising violence in Afghanistan and public condemnation of the Iraq war—was formulating plans to withdraw its Special Forces from Afghanistan in 2007.
- In the fall of 2006, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Afghan President Hamid Karzai repeatedly tried to distance themselves from “excessive” military operations conducted by the United States in their countries.
While not all of these are direct al-Qaeda cause and effect scenarios, such as the Madrid attacks that brought about the major shift in the Spanish government, at minimum they all parallel al-Qaeda’s desired effect – the incremental isolation of its American pursuers - and display an erosion of will.
 

danieltowsey

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Will at least their monies were given to good causes...Cynthia McKinley is a great and truthful person...

I so often hear the words "Islamic extremists"....Take note that the only time Islamic people say anything bad about Americans, is after Americans have done them wrong...

Now this Alquada fraud..we hear about these supposed websites they have...again if you had just a little bit of knowledge about how the internet works..you would know that no one can post anything on a website without it being traceable back to it exact location...So why has the Americans not gone to the source and captured them?..because the whole thing is a phony government propaganda front.The US has the ability to shut down any website it chooses..so now you know why they don't shut down these so called terrorist sites?..


Now about this temperature needed to weaken steel...I have previously answered that question in full.....What amazes me on this thread is that no one ever has any answers to refute all the evidence and information I have already posted..

You brain dead lemmings need to stop watching the propaganda screens, big or small.

What the Americans have done to, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq..plus everywhere else you go is absolutely evil......You have a Zionist Empire...America is now responsible for killing almost three million Iraqis...and completely destroying Iraq...so that you can steal their OIL...Iraq had no means to defend its self since you bombed the country for 15 years..with depleted uranium weapons of mass destruction....

Will its true..ignorance is bliss...keep ignoring the truth....will it seems that evil as in devil has won and good as in god has lost....We are heading into a third world war soon..and this one I am sure is going to affect Americans......

Ever since I was a kid and heard for the first time that the US dropped two Atomic bombs on civilians and justified it with lies, deceptions, and propaganda....I have understood..and I still understand the propaganda game they play on the dumb uninformed egoistical fools.....bet you don't know that Japan had formally surrendered six months earlier to six different countries and the Americans refused their surrender....

Truth is a precious and very rare thing...but without truth their will never be freedom..They have your minds captured..you are not free to know the truth about anything..soon, very soon the internet will not be free anymore...then what are you going to do?...I have tried to free you a little bit at a time..but like any creature that is born in a zoo, when and if you open the gates..they don't know how to live free and will willingly return to their cage..

only the old people still understand what truth is about..and the young through careful manipulation have been conditioned to have no respect for their elders wisdom..

Humans have always attacked those that are free..because they can not understand them..they can not relate to anyone that is not captured.

It is so easy to be bad and so difficult to be good....


I suggest you go read "The protocols of the learned elders of zion" if you want to begin to have an understanding of what is going on on this planet..
 

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I suggest you go read "The protocols of the learned elders of zion" if you want to begin to have an understanding of what is going on on this planet..

I suggest you go see a surgeon for a brain transplant. You are evidently in need of one.
 

Logic 7

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Right after you read "Islamic Imperialism".


Does islamic nation has 730 military base around the world in 130 country??


does islamic nation has ever invaded a country based on speculations?



So on what do you base islamic imperialism??
 

The Project Man

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Even the worst scenerio does not work!

Say the plane cut completely through the whole floor of the building where it struck them.

Let us say the wings were completely full of fuel.

Let us say the wings ripped off and all of the fuel ignited in the center core of the buildings.

The fuel fire effected the lower 30 floors of vertical steel, from the point impact.

The load of the upper floors would become a strain to the lower, weakend columns.

There is no way possible for the load of the upper floors to stay completely focused on the center, known as a "uniformed load",the lower columns would have failed in the order that the weight of the upper floors was being distributed. The top of the towers, regardless of what floor the damage was on, would have fallen over and not down in on itself. This would even be more evident in the tower that was hit lowest.

Also the steel in buildings becomes smaller as the building grows, this is for resistance and weight. The thcker, stronger and heavier columns would be unaffected and left standinding.

The kerosene flashes at around 2200 F. Steel would assume this temperature and chemically change during cooling. It takes much higher "sustained" temps. to melt steel, as it was discovered in the basements of the towers. Once the fuel burnt off the only fuel for the fire was paper and wood, 451 F.

This is also assuming all of the fireproofing on the columns was blown off on all sides, not just the direction of impact, but the force made a turn not unlike the single bullet theorum and came back to remove the fireproofing from the back side of the columns. talk about a run on sent. ugh.

Also steel does not sheer as in this photo.....unless a charge is applied.

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2006/06/341239.jpg

http://www.sauron2k.de/wtc/towers/steel_cut_02.jpg
 

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FW: Bollyn to Present Evidence of WTC Demolition on November 11

Posted by: "Toby" tobyblyza@yahoo.com tobyblyza

Thu Nov 2, 2006 2:21 pm (PST)

The ONLY solution is to enforce The Plan and reinstate God¹s Perfect
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Chicago 9/11 Event - Bollyn to Present Evidence of WTC Demolition on
November 11 *PIC*

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 1 November 2006, 1:25 p.m.

In Response To: Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC*
(ChristopherBollyn)

Nonviolence and truth are inseparable and presuppose one another.
There is no god higher than truth.
Mahatma Gandhi

IN REMEMBRANCE OF THOSE LOST

On Saturday, November 11, 2006
(Armistice, Remembrance, and Veterans Day)

In honor of the veterans and the victims of 9/11
and "The War on Terror"

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN
Independent Journalist and 9/11 Researcher

Presents

"A Discussion of the Facts and Evidence of 9/11
& Five Years of "The War on Terror"

Among other subjects, Bollyn will discuss the latest evidence of
Thermite seen at the World Trade Center. Severe consequences have
befallen Bollyn, who discovered that molten metal had been found
under the rubble of all three WTC towers, and Professor Steven E.
Jones of Brigham Young University who was forced into retirement
after presenting the scientific evidence that the towers were
demolished using Thermite.

Date of 9/11 Seminar: Saturday, November 11, 2006
1:30 – 4:30 p.m.
Schaumburg Township District Library, Classroom (upstairs)
Schaumburg, Illinois
Southwest corner of intersection of Schaumburg and Roselle Roads
Library website: http://www.stdl. org

Marking the cessation of hostilities on the Western Front in 1918,
at the "eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month."
Armistice Day is commemorated as the day
that ended World War I, "the war to end all wars."

Photo: Christopher Bollyn and Professor Steven E. Jones of BYU
discussing the evidence of Thermite in the destruction of the three
towers at the World Trade Center on 9/11.
 

danieltowsey

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The Spoils of corruption

The Spoils of Corruption

By Charles Sullivan

The mainstream media, like organized religion, is used to program
public perceptions-to steer us away from truth and to perpetuate fairy tales
that extol the virtues of bribery, violence, and greed. It makes useful
idiots of those who cannot think for themselves and persuades them to
act like fools in the eyes of the world.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15469.htm
 

danieltowsey

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Written by Kevin Boyle

While the corporatists control the media it is almost impossible to educate and organise effectively against them.

The globalist Zionist masonic elite are the enemy of all decent humanity.

We need Jews to wake up! They need to understand that Zionism is a conspiracy created and used by the masters of capital AGAINST THEM. Israel's role is to divide the world creating a final conflict that will leave a broken world happy to accept the central bankers' 'help' and total control. Israel will be destroyed in any such all-out conflict.

Jews are so brainwashed that they do not even recognise that Zionism is bad for them. They have been made paranoid by many lies.....some of them so outrageous as to be almost unutterable (see: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...tAuschwitz.wmv)

We need Jews to recognise that they, more than anyone, have been manipulated......and they should, in their own interest as well as ours, turn against these Zionists.

A few days ago the oldest surviving soldiers from the German and the English sides during the First World War met on TV. It was very moving. The Englishman said, "These (German) people didn't want a war any more than we did, so why did we have to fight it"?

The answer is because the bankers wanted them to, so that the German, Ottoman and British Empires be destroyed and they might step into the ruins and take control of all three.

Right now the bankers are in the process of making a grab for the whole world.

We must pray for a miracle and do everything we can.
 

CDNBear

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I don't need anyone to tell me what's right or what's wrong,that is the difference beetween you and me.
Ya ok, I went out and studied the info ol' danny sent us, and proved it to be conjecture, hearsay and claims. Not one solid fact. The remote antenna on the plane in the pic was over sized so the ignorant viewer could see it, proof of that was in the pic of the antenna on a drone as an example, from the same site that showed the antenna to be a mere fraction of the one superimposed (Bad photoshop work BTW)on the plane hitting the WTC. And you accuse me of believing what "I'm" told. Wow!
 

danieltowsey

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Food for thought

The Quran is very particular about freedom of conscience as it teaches
respect for everyone regardless of any differences and that is the key
to pluralism. The Quran clearly states that there is no compulsion in
religion (Quran 2:256) and maintains that all children of Adam are
honorable (Quran 17:70).

God has created different communities, cultures and religions on
purpose; to try and test human beings in what has been given to them (
i.e. different scriptures, laws and ways of life). In the last part of
the verse (5.48) God says that everyone will return to Him and it is He
who will make us understand these differences.

It is not for human beings to claim being right or wrong as it leads to
disturbances and breach of peace. Therefore these matters should be
left for God to decide. The differences of laws and ways of life should
not become the cause of disharmony and enmity. The test is to live in
peace and harmony with each other, which is the will of God.
Furthermore, God directs us to learn to live with these differences and
compete with each other only in our acts of goodness, as that is what
will bring everyone together. The Quran mandates a peaceful
co-existence. It is the best way to resolve inter-religious and
inter-cultural conflicts and to promote acceptance of the 'religious
and cultural other' with dignity and grace.

________________________________________________________________
The above note was not written by me..I only posted for you to see that the Islamic religion is an honourable one and not one based on hate and violence as some have tried to make us believe in the media...
 

CDNBear

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The Quran is very particular about freedom of conscience as it teaches
respect for everyone regardless of any differences and that is the key
to pluralism. The Quran clearly states that there is no compulsion in
religion (Quran 2:256) and maintains that all children of Adam are
honorable (Quran 17:70).

God has created different communities, cultures and religions on
purpose; to try and test human beings in what has been given to them (
i.e. different scriptures, laws and ways of life). In the last part of
the verse (5.48) God says that everyone will return to Him and it is He
who will make us understand these differences.

It is not for human beings to claim being right or wrong as it leads to
disturbances and breach of peace. Therefore these matters should be
left for God to decide. The differences of laws and ways of life should
not become the cause of disharmony and enmity. The test is to live in
peace and harmony with each other, which is the will of God.
Furthermore, God directs us to learn to live with these differences and
compete with each other only in our acts of goodness, as that is what
will bring everyone together. The Quran mandates a peaceful
co-existence. It is the best way to resolve inter-religious and
inter-cultural conflicts and to promote acceptance of the 'religious
and cultural other' with dignity and grace.
________________________________________________________________
The above note was not written by me..I only posted for you to see that the Islamic religion is an honourable one and not one based on hate and violence as some have tried to make us believe in the media...
And most of us agree, but not every Muslim is peace luvin'. But have a nice day anyways.
 

danieltowsey

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CDNBear

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The ONLY solution is to enforce The Plan and reinstate God¹s Perfect
Laws of Liberty:- http://jahtruth. net/plan. htm
Holy crap, a new world order???

My god, I only heard about you people on 60 minutes, i never in all my life thought i would ever see the ramblings of one in th efirst person. Wow. You are not quite what I expected. Where are your camo BDU's and your cache or weapons to hold off the UN armies?
 

Johnny Utah

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I don't need anyone to tell me what's right or what's wrong,that is the difference beetween you and me.
The difference with you is the next time Terrorists Hijack planes and try driving them into buildings, you'll be a passenger sitting there kissing you're Ass 'Good Bye!' That's Karma for you..
 
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danieltowsey

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This responce is for CNDBear.....

I do have a very powerful weapon..its something you can't defend yourself from...Its got a really unique name...its called...TRUTH....you would do will to get yourself some..or at least get some ammo....but I have to warn you..its really hard to find some.....manufacturers of truth are very hard to find..because the Zionists are always bombing them....


Imagine that..86% of Americans no longer believe the government or media about 911....so I guess that puts you in the remainding 14%..which is the slow learners..But one thing I can say about slow learners is that they are usually the ones that end up understanding better than the rest..so there is some hope for you. I hope that at least you have the sense to go towards that light at the end of your tunnel vision..oops..I think I am wrong..your in that box with the little airs holes in it..I don't know how to help you on that one...but I can simpotize with you..since you've always been in that box..you have never had a clear sight of TRUTH...This kind of brings that rediculous story the government said about boxcutters......I wonder if that was their way of ridiculing all those in their boxes..
 

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This responce is for CNDBear.....

I do have a very powerful weapon..its something you can't defend yourself from...Its got a really unique name...its called...TRUTH....you would do will to get yourself some..or at least get some ammo....but I have to warn you..its really hard to find some.....manufacturers of truth are very hard to find..because the Zionists are always bombing them....


Imagine that..86% of Americans no longer believe the government or media about 911....so I guess that puts you in the remainding 14%..which is the slow learners..But one thing I can say about slow learners is that they are usually the ones that end up understanding better than the rest..so there is some hope for you. I hope that at least you have the sense to go towards that light at the end of your tunnel vision..oops..I think I am wrong..your in that box with the little airs holes in it..I don't know how to help you on that one...but I can simpotize with you..since you've always been in that box..you have never had a clear sight of TRUTH...This kind of brings that rediculous story the government said about boxcutters......I wonder if that was their way of ridiculing all those in their boxes..

Damn Zionists destroying all the truth eh? I suppose you also buy into the whole Zionist conspiracy of controlling all the north american media assests as well?