How Do We Now Depict War ??

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1159193464060&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

A defunct paradigm that's got to change
Daniel Pipes, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 17, 2006

Soldiers, sailors, and airmen once determined the outcome of warfare, but no longer. Today, television producers, columnists, preachers, and politicians have the pivotal role in deciding how well the West fights. This shift has deep implications.

In a conventional conflict like World War II, fighting had two premises so basic, they went nearly unnoticed. The first: Conventional armed forces engage in an all-out fight for victory. The opposing sides deploy serried ranks of soldiers, lines of tanks, fleets of ships, and squadrons of aircraft. Millions of youth go to war as civilians endure privations. Strategy and intelligence matter, but the size of one's population, economy, and arsenal count even more. An observer can assess the progress of war by keeping tabs of such objective factors as steel output, oil stocks, ship construction, and control of land.

Second assumption: Each side's population loyally backs its national leadership. To be sure, traitors and dissidents need to be rooted out, but a wide consensus backs the rulers. This was especially noteworthy in the Soviet Union, where even Stalin's demented mass-murdering did not stop the population from giving its all for "Mother Russia."
Both aspects of this paradigm are now defunct in the West.

FIRST, BATTLING all-out for victory against conventional enemy forces has nearly disappeared, replaced by the more indirect challenge of guerrilla operations, insurgencies, intifadas, and terrorism. This new pattern applied to the French in Algeria, Americans in Vietnam, and Soviets in Afghanistan. It currently holds for Israelis versus Palestinians, coalition forces in Iraq, and in the war on terror.

This change means that what the US military calls "bean counting" - counting soldiers and weapons - is now nearly immaterial, as are diagnoses of the economy or control of territory. Lopsided wars resemble police operations more than combat in earlier eras. As in crime-fighting, the side enjoying a vast superiority in power operates under a dense array of constraints, while the weaker party freely breaks any law and taboo in its ruthless pursuit of power.

Second, the solidarity and consensus of old have unraveled. This process has been underway for just over a century now (starting with the British side of the Boer War in 1899-1902). As I wrote in 2005: "The notion of loyalty has fundamentally changed. Traditionally, a person was assumed faithful to his natal community. A Spaniard or Swede was loyal to his monarch, a Frenchman to his republic, an American to his constitution. That assumption is now obsolete, replaced by a loyalty to one's political community - socialism, liberalism, conservatism, or Islamism, to name some options. Geographical and social ties matter much less than of old."

With loyalties now in play, wars are decided more on the op-ed pages and less on the battlefield. Good arguments, eloquent rhetoric, subtle spin-doctoring, and strong poll numbers count more than taking a hill or crossing a river. Solidarity, morale, loyalty, and understanding are the new steel, rubber, oil, and ammunition. Opinion leaders are the new flag and general officers. Therefore, as I wrote in August, Western governments "need to see public relations as part of their strategy."

Even in a case like the Iranian regime's acquisition of atomic weaponry, Western public opinion is the key, not its arsenal. If united, Europeans and Americans will likely dissuade Iranians from going ahead with nuclear weapons. If disunited, Iranians will be emboldened to plunge ahead.

What Carl von Clausewitz called war's "center of gravity" has shifted from force of arms to the hearts and minds of citizens: Do Iranians accept the consequences of nuclear weapons? Do Iraqis welcome coalition troops as liberators? Do Palestinians willingly sacrifice their lives in suicide bombings? Do Europeans and Canadians want a credible military force? Do Americans see Islamism presenting a lethal danger?

Non-Western strategists recognize the primacy of politics and focus on it. A string of triumphs - Algeria in 1962, Vietnam in 1975, and Afghanistan in 1989 - all relied on eroding political will. Al-Qaida's number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, recently codified this idea, observing that more than half of the Islamists' battle "is taking place in the battlefield of the media."

The West is fortunate to predominate in the military and economic arenas, but these no longer suffice. Along with its enemies, it needs to give due attention to the public relations of war.

The writer, based in Philadelphia, is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Miniatures.

I wonder - are the people of a nation ever going to be consulted before war is declared?
 

Grover Station

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That is a great article. I think we'll find that as time goes on the real war we will be fighting is the war inside each one of us. When we fight each other we are distracted from the real enemies that we all face regardless of race & religion. Thos enemies are things like anger, greed, lust, envy, ignorance.

Having a defensive military will always be necessary. You don't go into the woods in search of a bear to fight, but when that bear comes into your village in search of a fight you must defend your village. You'll find that the major religions all share a similar story to this.
 

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Good one Curious!

I couldn't agree more.

Neither can the Islam-o-fascists. They know that the West has not got the stomach for war. They'll win on the tube if they have too. Far to many people, let emotion dictate their resolve. Some times medicine tastes bad, but works. Kind of like Buckleys
 
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I still believe...

.. that our Canadian Army can LITTERALLY become a force for peace by insisting that we will be the first to STOP FIGHTING (unless on our own soil - and since we're not "AWAY" and instead "HOME" - we'll HAVE BETTER DEFENCE anyways) ... overseas in any way....

.. and start to transform our military to SUPPORT efforts of peace.

Not only on the world stage will other nations join us.. REFUSING TO FIGHT AGAIN (unless on OUR OWN SOIL) ..and using all of our sexy tech to instead of blowing stuff (and childern) up.. we instead use it to HELP make things better for people.. an army made of only engineers and scientists and men and women who want to make the world peacefull, before its left in pieces.


THAT is how I'd define war personally..

"TOO DAMN DANGEROUS TO DEAL IN ANYMORE!"

.. so just stop using it as a tool in general. Try something new. AT LEAST, either way.. think about it this way..

.. if we keep going on the way we are going, we WILL CERTAINLY BE DESTROYED!

.. if we "DENY WAR" .. then at least if we go down BECAUSE we let some threat get loose out there (thats the arguement for attacking all of these nations we're in right now right?) ... the smoking gun being some mushroom cloud or something like that.. AT LEAST WE TRIED TO SHOW THAT HUMANITY COULD "CHOOSE" PEACE!


And when they did, when they tried.. humanity was wiped out anyways. Therefore we had it coming all along anyways.


OR... or... it just might work! And how amazing would that be?



-ASA
 

Curiosity

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I find it strange that nobody reports on all the rebuilding and positives that are happening in the middle east...

We only get the body counts, injuries, tribe fighting, maimed children, etc. etc.

Did anyone ever consider there are positives happening on a daily basis?

I guess we prefer to talk about the negatives because that is all the media deliver and believe they are
reporting the truth or what passes for "media truth".
 

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I find it strange that nobody reports on all the rebuilding and positives that are happening in the middle east...

We only get the body counts, injuries, tribe fighting, maimed children, etc. etc.

Did anyone ever consider there are positives happening on a daily basis?

I guess we prefer to talk about the negatives because that is all the media deliver and believe they are
reporting the truth or what passes for "media truth".

Here's proof of the positives done in Afghanistan alone. I hope this helps WC.
http://usinfo.state.gov/sa/rebuilding_afghanistan.html

http://www.canada-afghanistan.gc.ca/menu-en.asp

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2459/53371

http://www.state.gov/p/sca/rls/fs/16594.htm

I know some will dismiss some of these links as propoganda, but I hope the truly open minded will see past the bigotted rethoric.
 

wallyj

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The media in Canada is only interested in bringing down the con. gov't. 8 months ago there was soldiers dying also,but then it was a noble cause. It was three weeks after the election and Ujjal was on the news shaking his head and demanding a debate and vote on our role in Afghanistan,and the media ran with it.This war was the right thing to do 4 years ago and it is still the right thing today. Remember the old adage"It is hard to drain the swamp,when you are up to your ass in alligators".
 

Sassylassie

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Good post Wallyj and you are bang on the media isn't interested in reporting the news unless it makes the Cons look bad. The media are now creating the news to report so they don't have to leave their keyboards. Gone is the investigative reporter, at least for now.
 

Calberty

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War, despite media hype, is very limited in the modern world. More people die of natural causes in a day than die of violence in a year. Whole parts of the world have been relatively free of major armed conflict for decades. This includes a quarter of mankind, China and almost insignificant war in most of Europe, South America, North America the Pacific and so on.

Yes, there are hot spots such as the Congo, Sudan and so on but most of the world is spared from war impacting its population in any significant manner. Even the USA, champion of war, doesn't suffer any drop in Walmart sales, DVDs rented, fries eaten or TV channels devoted to poker tournaments. Even the so called 'evil' states such as N.Korea and Iran have attacked whom in the last couple decades? Who has Russia attacked? India attacked? Brazil attacked?

There's strife in the world and real people suffer. Fortunately most of the world are war free and the international community frowns upon countries invading other countries. Iraq was spanked over its Kuwait invasion, the USA loses international status because of it's latest Iraq invasion, and Israel is obligated to moderate it's action in Lebanon as the world puts its action under a microscope. One can argue the pros and cons of these actions but, even when undertaken, restraints are applied to mitigate civilian deaths. The Americans can't carpet bomb Falujah and the Israelis are as aware of world opinion as they are of incoming rockets.

Pro-active aggression will be very difficult to justify after the Iraq debacle. We aren't going to see many country vs country wars in the near future.
 

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Just to touch on the post by Curiosity, there are positives to the wars being fought. Many of the nations which have been ravaged by war the past century are now much more affluent as a direct result of regime change. Only time will tell if the norm will translate into better Islamic states. For those who doubt this fact, a study was done on the economies of countries invaded by the US. Afte roverthrow, the security left behind by the American troop presence allowe dfor investment in the country. The citizens could then be free to make a decent living for their famillies. Heres the URL for the research
www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-03.cfm