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CDNBear

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ah, but were any of those crimes commited by 14 year old GIRLS?...nope..better post CDNBear

No, but have you forgotten womans lib, Daz?

Gender equality is paramount, the FBI could not risk being labelled sexist, now could they?

Honestly Daz, I don't really care, how old or what age, if you make threats, you need to be talked to by someone. This girls parents are obviously lax in their duty, leaving it up to the authorities to educate this young one.

It's not as if the geshtapo goose stepped their way into her class and dragged her out kicking and screaming. She likely had the shyte scared out of her and will likely think twice about being so crass in the future.

Finally, as a "responsible" parent of two boys with a computer, with internet access in their room. I am fully aware of what transpires on their computer. I check it daily and they are unable to do pretty much anything without my aproval. Now, my oldest has free time on the computers at school, and I am unable to filter his actions there. So if by chance he made a threat against Harper, I would be morethen happy to have the RCMP walk him through the rights and wrongs of his actions.
 

Daz_Hockey

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I understand, but my point is, okay, the public will cry sexism, but it simply isn't. It's simply the facts as they have shown to be. Evidence mounts up that the kind of child or young adult that commits these crimes are predominantly, in fact no, exclusivly young males.

As I say, it doesn't take much common sense to check her records, check if she'd previously had a mental problem or anything that might make her a "risk", this could be done without her involvement, and when all this information has been tabulated and pocrastenated over, If she still looks like a nut job, sure contact her parents, by why go to her school?.
 

CDNBear

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I understand, but my point is, okay, the public will cry sexism, but it simply isn't. It's simply the facts as they have shown to be. Evidence mounts up that the kind of child or young adult that commits these crimes are predominantly, in fact no, exclusivly young males.

As I say, it doesn't take much common sense to check her records, check if she'd previously had a mental problem or anything that might make her a "risk", this could be done without her involvement, and when all this information has been tabulated and pocrastenated over, If she still looks like a nut job, sure contact her parents, by why go to her school?.


Now you're talking about profiling. Even though the Israeli's have done a great job with it at their Airport, and quite frankly, I'm all for it, it is really frowned on here. lol.

I see your point, but we shouldn't use that criteria to distinguish a legitamate threat from the mere ramblings of a spoiled girl, lol.
 

Daz_Hockey

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Nope, but it would save a shedload of time, and who's to know she's been profiled eh?, I mean, not in a KGB sense, but when circumstances call for it (and I'm sure a threat made against a head of state does) then it should be done.

That was just my point, I just don't understand why the FBI went off "all half cocked" without an extensive investigation into what threat she actually posed....Although I still think it's an invasion into her civil liberties.
 

CDNBear

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Nope, but it would save a shedload of time, and who's to know she's been profiled eh?, I mean, not in a KGB sense, but when circumstances call for it (and I'm sure a threat made against a head of state does) then it should be done.

That was just my point, I just don't understand why the FBI went off "all half cocked" without an extensive investigation into what threat she actually posed....Although I still think it's an invasion into her civil liberties.


See this is where you and I differ. I'm not worried about these supposed liberties. I have all the freedom I need, and so does this fine young brat, posting threatening pictures of the prez. That's not to say she should be shackled and grilled under the preverbial bare bulb, but she has to be made aware of the fact the fact that such acts are not acceptaable under US law. I bet she thinks twice next time and just puts the pics in her binder and shares them with her friends at lunch, lol.
 

Daz_Hockey

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I think we should stop belittling a poor young girl and think about the REAL nutters online, like this fellow here: :(

" The Times
October 18, 2006​

Man has throat slashed in 'web rage'

By Fran Yeoman
Police have warned chat-room users not to include personal details after a poster was tracked down

POLICE warned internet users to protect their real identities after a man was convicted yesterday of Britain’s first “web rage” attack.
Paul Gibbons, 47, of Bermondsey, southeast London, attacked John Jones with a pickaxe handle and knife, slitting his throat, after tracing Mr Jones to his house after an argument in an online chat room.

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Gibbons pleaded guilty at the Old Bailey to unlawful wounding yesterday in what police said was the first conviction of its kind. The court was told that Mr Jones, 43, had posted personal details about himself online and used his real name when participating in a Yahoo! chatroom dedicated to Islam, where he met Gibbons.
These details allowed Gibbons, who has a string of previous convictions for violence and weapons offences, to locate his victim’s home address in Clacton, Essex, using electoral records.
Gibbons, who used the username Pastordevil, argued about Muslims and the war on Iraq with Mr Jones through the chatroom. He then accused the father of three of being a paedophile, and told other chat room users of his plans for revenge.
Ibitayo Adebayo, for the prosecution, told the court: “There were exchanges of views between the victim and the defendant, which were threatening on both sides. Certainly there was some hostility.”
The lawyer said that on Boxing Day last year Mr Jones asked Gibbons “to attend a place near Tower Bridge in order to sort things out. The victim attended with his sister. The defendant did not.”
Gibbons, 47, then arrived at Mr Jones’s house on December 28 carrying a pickaxe handle, together with an unnamed accomplice armed with a machete.
“The victim was working on his computer,” Mr Adebayo continued. “His two elder children were just outside playing. His wife was taking a bath and the youngest child was asleep.
“The victim heard his name being shouted out outside and he heard a knock on the door.”
Mr Jones opened the front door carrying a knife for protection, but was soon pushed to the floor. “There was a scuffle on the landing between this defendant and the victim. The victim ended up on the floor and was beaten with the pickaxe handle,” Mr Adebayo said.
Mr Jones tried to protect himself with the knife, but Gibbons managed to take it from him and then attacked Mr Jones with his own blade.
During the assault, Mr Jones’s throat was cut from his Adam’s apple to his ear, narrowly missing the jugular vein.
Mr Adebayo said that Gibbons told him: “Jones, if you carry on, I will f***ing kill you.”
[FONT=&quot]Mr Jones’s wife, Deborah Andrews, emerged from the bathroom and called for help, causing Gibbons to flee. Doctors later noted that Mr Jones had further cuts to his head, neck and hands.

[/FONT] Police arrested Gibbons on January 11. They also seized the computer from the flat where he lived alone. It then emerged that he had boasted about his violent plans to another chatroom user called Angie, who has never been identified.
On December 23 he wrote: “I am a law-abiding person but I’ll make an exception for Jones.”

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Another message, sent the day before the attack, read: “He’s going to regret it tomorrow. I’m looking forward to tomorrow.”
Hours after the assault, Gibbons, who also used the user names Exudes, Devilishness and Pastordevil-tard-killer, logged on again and told Angie: “I had his knife at his throat. He was screaming in fear. He never stood a chance. Jones was freaked.” He later added: “It went perfectly to plan.”
After his guilty plea, Gibbons was remanded in custody by Judge Richard Hawkins, QC, to be sentenced on November 7. He has previous convictions dating from 1975, including for assault and carrying weapons.
A charge of the attempted murder of Mr Jones and four charges of online threats to kill four other chat room users were left to lie on the file.
Sergeant Jean-Marc Bazzoni, who led the investigation for Essex Police, said his advice was: “Never put personal details on the web if you are using chat rooms. It was easy for Gibbons to track the victims down because he built up a picture of personal details they had let slip. And people need to make sure they know what their children are doing when they are on the internet.”
 

tamarin

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The web is full of nuts. And they come in all ages and genders. Myspace is full of squirrels and I have no doubt there are millions of the weird little creatures cubbyholing there. Kids are bolder and bolder and those protecting them from the consequences of their malicious behaviour have got to be told to get a life.
 

elevennevele

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The whole world should put "kill president bush" on their web site, he deserves that threathment, period.


That's actually kinda funny. Funny if say you get at least 20 million people to agree, all at once, at the same exact time to post a...

ah forget it.
 

elevennevele

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You know, I figured at first I’d stay clear of this topic. No matter how one tries to defend the 14 year old girl, I would expect someone to use all the other juvenile 14 olds as example who have shot people to death.

I will say however that this is a reflection of the culture of the society. For one thing, in a gun society, kids might end up having them. So somewhere in that mess, there requires some sort of solution. That discussion should be left for another forum.

Anyway, there is something wrong when you are a society that degrades into a direction, whether US, or Canada, a direction where you start to fear your children. There is something very wrong with the family network, the environment, or the culture.

It seems that some while back (a long time ago when I was playing as a kid), people didn’t fear children so much. In fact you could see kids running around (like myself at 8) with their toy guns around the neighborhood playing cops and robbers and nobody would have hesitated with an anxiety, asking, “are those guns real?”. The biggest news in the neighborhood was when you heard of somebody carrying a pocket knife and that was suppose to be scary.

Back then I imagine there would have been a greater wisdom of confronting the parents first because any agent/law enforcement might have looked up to see what they were facing and started with a levelheaded judgment right there.

The reason for our juries and our judges is so we don’t fall victim to a legal system where for whatever you do, punishment amounts to a man at a desk filling out a form on what to do with you. Basically a checklist of punishment with no individual recognition to a situation. A punishment/crime chart where “one size fits all.”

I think a society, if it’s a healthy society, still needs to think of a child as a child first, then whatever threat that child might pose. And we need to get the society back to a point where our 14 year olds are 14 year olds and not young juvenile offenders who are a threat to our neighborhoods. And I remember stupid stupid stuff from those 14 year old days. I would hate to think that a society can so easily forgets childhood.

So to conclude, I can’t argue with anyone who puts forth the argument that 14 year olds can kill or be very dangerous, but I will say that it seems much more reasonable to me that those agents could have shown a greater wisdom in dealing with the juvenile antic of a 14 year old girl with a heart on her lunch box or whatever.

And anybody who feels that is too lax an concept should give that lump of coal for a heart a couple thumps to get it beating again.
 

CDNBear

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You know, I figured at first I’d stay clear of this topic. No matter how one tries to defend the 14 year old girl, I would expect someone to use all the other juvenile 14 olds as example who have shot people to death.

I will say however that this is a reflection of the culture of the society. For one thing, in a gun society, kids might end up having them. So somewhere in that mess, there requires some sort of solution. That discussion should be left for another forum.

Anyway, there is something wrong when you are a society that degrades into a direction, whether US, or Canada, a direction where you start to fear your children. There is something very wrong with the family network, the environment, or the culture.

It seems that some while back (a long time ago when I was playing as a kid), people didn’t fear children so much. In fact you could see kids running around (like myself at 8) with their toy guns around the neighborhood playing cops and robbers and nobody would have hesitated with an anxiety, asking, “are those guns real?”. The biggest news in the neighborhood was when you heard of somebody carrying a pocket knife and that was suppose to be scary.

Back then I imagine there would have been a greater wisdom of confronting the parents first because any agent/law enforcement might have looked up to see what they were facing and started with a levelheaded judgment right there.

The reason for our juries and our judges is so we don’t fall victim to a legal system where for whatever you do, punishment amounts to a man at a desk filling out a form on what to do with you. Basically a checklist of punishment with no individual recognition to a situation. A punishment/crime chart where “one size fits all.”

I think a society, if it’s a healthy society, still needs to think of a child as a child first, then whatever threat that child might pose. And we need to get the society back to a point where our 14 year olds are 14 year olds and not young juvenile offenders who are a threat to our neighborhoods. And I remember stupid stupid stuff from those 14 year old days. I would hate to think that a society can so easily forgets childhood.

So to conclude, I can’t argue with anyone who puts forth the argument that 14 year olds can kill or be very dangerous, but I will say that it seems much more reasonable to me that those agents could have shown a greater wisdom in dealing with the juvenile antic of a 14 year old girl with a heart on her lunch box or whatever.

And anybody who feels that is too lax an concept should give that lump of coal for a heart a couple thumps to get it beating again.


I get ya, but that wasn't fair.

I do have a huge soft spot for kids, but in the present tone, of kids do no wrong thinking, while allowed to run amuk, with no fears of accountablity, 1 Because they know you can not hit them or threaten them, 2 They have very little to fear because of number 1.

As much as I hate to use the word fear, when talking of how children view life or authority figures. I was damn scared to go to jail as a kid. I was equally fearful of crossing pathes with the local constabulary. So I toed the line, like every other kid in the community, while we played Cowboys and "Indians" (The "Indian's" never lost and the Cowboys always died where I grew up,lol.)

That fear is gone, parents have droppedthe ball and society will suffer for it. So now we fear kids.
 

Johnny Utah

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The whole world should put "kill president bush" on their web site, he deserves that threathment, period.
That could be seen as a threat against President Bush which could affect this forum people enjoy, are you that Fing stupid?

Let's put this on instead because you deserve it for you're stupidity:Kill Logic7
Of course I would never suggest anyone Kill Logic 7, I'm just using my freedom of speech so don't cry now Aeon..
:rolleyes:
 
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Dalreg

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It's funny post a couple of words on line and you are a national threat. Drive around witha loaded gun in a number of states and it's perfectly legal. Don't get you yankees.

Logic 7 now you done it. Your on the secret service hit list. Better hide the weapons of mass destruction!
 

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If it were a 37-year-old it'd be different but a 14-year-old girl? Unless she has a history of mental illness it's not like she's actually a threat to the president.
The Progressive (http://www.progressive.org/mag_mc100406) had this article a little while ago about a guy who was questioned by secret service agents about "assaulting" Dick Cheney after he told Cheney he disapproved of the War in Iraq. He was charged with assault.


C'mmon. Even someone with a mental illness would not be a direct threat to "a" president. Would you pose a planned attack to someone on a public space? Poor girl.
 

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It's funny post a couple of words on line and you are a national threat. Drive around witha loaded gun in a number of states and it's perfectly legal. Don't get you yankees.

Logic 7 now you done it. Your on the secret service hit list. Better hide the weapons of mass destruction!


Oh... the evasive weapons. They will search and search and search and search for you Logic7. But hey, someone has a nuclear weapon undetected, your neighbor a block away. And wait, did I hear high school kids carrying guns to schools?