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Ron in Regina said:
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So…who’s the governing body for “Palestine” again that sign off on this?
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Reluctant though I am to admit it, petros is right, if you accept his definition of "peace deal." Insofar as the whole "nation-state" system applies to Palestine, Abbas is Dabbas (that was a joke, son). If by "peace deal," one means a treaty, they need Abbas's signature.

This ceasefire or peace deal or agreement for cessation of hostilities or invitation to Susie's birthday part or whatever-the-fuck you feel like calling it has some limited effect if Ham-ass signs off. They're the only ones who have any measure of control over the shooters in Gaza.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Reluctant though I am to admit it, petros is right, if you accept his definition of "peace deal." Insofar as the whole "nation-state" system applies to Palestine, Abbas is Dabbas (that was a joke, son). If by "peace deal," one means a treaty, they need Abbas's signature.

This ceasefire or peace deal or agreement for cessation of hostilities or invitation to Susie's birthday part or whatever-the-fuck you feel like calling it has some limited effect if Ham-ass signs off. They're the only ones who have any measure of control over the shooters in Gaza.
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So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?
 
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Ron in Regina said:
So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?
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One entity two provinces/states.
 
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Ron in Regina said:
So…is Palestine “Palestine” that some other “entity” can sign off for (?) or is Palestinian Gaza-Palestine & West-Bank-Palestine…being two separate entities with two separate governments that have been separated for 3/4 of a century now…& may not even be compatible as a single unit?
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Depends who you ask. According the the UNO, "Palestine" is a single country consisting of East Palestine (confusingly called the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip or "Gaza." As things currently stand, East Palestine has its shit pretty much together, as things in the ME go. Ham-ass is the party in power in the "provincial" (if you will) province of West Palestine. . . i.e., the Gaza Strip or Gaza. Theoretically, it's subordinate to the national government in Ramallah. Theoretically.

Part of the problem is that we're hopscotching from "deal" to "agreement" with this government, that party, and the other gang of assholes with AK-47s. We need to piss or step back and button up. Palestine is either one country or two. If it's one, Ramallah needs to step in and control Gaza. Otherwise, Gaza needs to be recognized as a separate country from the West Bank and dealt with accordingly.

Israel's approach is pragmatic. It's at relative peace with the West Bank, and like all countries, it has the right to defend itself and its people. The question is whether or not what amounts to occupation of part of Palestine is legitimate defence.
 
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