UNRWA. It's like this...

[petros]

Jesus' birth ended the Jews.

The Jews who became the first Christians wrote a book about it.

Your question asks why God sent Jesus to change the path the Jewish people were on, with an emphasis on avoiding bias.

I’ll provide a clear, concise answer based on Christian theological perspectives from the New Testament, while acknowledging the Jewish context and avoiding dogmatic assumptions. The response will focus on the stated purpose of Jesus’ mission in relation to the Jewish people, as understood in Christian texts, and I’ll note where interpretations differ or where Jewish perspectives contrast, to maintain neutrality.

If you want a deeper dive into specific texts or alternative viewpoints, let me know.

Christian Theological Perspective
In Christian theology, drawn from the New Testament, God sent Jesus to fulfill and redirect the trajectory of the Jewish people’s covenant relationship with God, addressing their spiritual and moral condition while extending God’s plan to all humanity.

The idea of "changing the path" aligns with the belief that Jesus came to correct deviations from God’s intended covenant, introduce a new covenant, and fulfill messianic expectations.

Here’s a breakdown of the key reasons, based on biblical texts:

To Fulfill and Renew the Covenant:
The New Testament presents Jesus as the Messiah promised in the Hebrew Bible (e.g., Isaiah 7:14, 53; Micah 5:2), sent to fulfill God’s covenant with Israel. Matthew 5:17 states, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christians believe Jesus embodied the Torah’s purpose, redirecting the Jewish people from a perceived overemphasis on legalistic observance (e.g., critiques of Pharisaic practices in Matthew 23) to a deeper, internal righteousness.

The "path" of the Jews, in this view, had become misaligned due to human sinfulness or misinterpretation of the Law, and Jesus was sent to restore its true intent.

To Address Sin and Spiritual Need:
Christian texts suggest the Jewish people, like all humanity, were under the burden of sin, unable to fully achieve righteousness through the Law alone (Romans 3:9-20). Jesus’ mission was to provide atonement through his death and resurrection, offering forgiveness and reconciliation with God (John 1:29, "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world").

This is seen as a course correction, shifting reliance from the sacrificial system of the Temple (which was destroyed in 70 CE) to faith in Jesus’ sacrifice.

To Establish the New Covenant:
Jesus is described as instituting a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34, referenced in Luke 22:20 and Hebrews 8:8-13), which was promised to the house of Israel and Judah but extended to all nations. This covenant emphasized grace, forgiveness, and an internalized relationship with God, contrasting with what some Christian texts portray as an outdated reliance on the Mosaic Law (Galatians 3:23-25).

The "change in path" here is from the old covenant, centered on the Law and Temple, to a new covenant accessible through faith in Jesus, intended first for the Jews (Matthew 15:24, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel").

To Redirect Messianic Expectations:
At the time of Jesus, many Jews expected a political Messiah to liberate Israel from Roman oppression and restore the Davidic kingdom (e.g., expectations reflected in Acts 1:6). Jesus redefined this role, emphasizing a spiritual kingdom (John 18:36, "My kingdom is not of this world"). His mission was to shift the Jewish people’s focus from temporal deliverance to spiritual salvation and preparation for God’s eternal kingdom.

This redirection was not a rejection of Jewish identity but an expansion of God’s plan, with the Jews as the starting point (John 4:22, "Salvation is from the Jews").

To Prepare for Universal Inclusion:
While Jesus’ mission began with the Jewish people, it extended to Gentiles, fulfilling the Abrahamic promise that through Israel, all nations would be blessed (Genesis 12:3; Acts 13:46-47). This universal scope is seen as a broadening of the Jewish path, not an abandonment, ensuring their role as God’s chosen people while inviting others into the covenant (Romans 11:11-12).

Jewish Perspective (for Context)
To avoid bias, it’s critical to note that Jewish theology does not accept Jesus as the Messiah or believe that God sent him to change their path. In Judaism:
The Jewish people were (and are) seen as faithfully following the Torah and God’s covenant, with no need for a new covenant or mediator like Jesus. The Law remains eternal (Deuteronomy 29:29).

Messianic expectations focus on a future figure who will restore Israel, rebuild the Temple, and usher in an era of peace, without requiring a shift from Jewish practices or identity.

The idea of "changing the path" is foreign to Jewish thought, as the covenant with Israel is considered irrevocable and sufficient (Exodus 19:5-6).

Thus, the notion that God sent Jesus to change the Jewish path is a uniquely Christian interpretation, not shared by Judaism, which views its path as divinely ordained and unbroken.

Avoiding Bias
Christian Sources: The above draws from New Testament texts (e.g., Matthew, Romans, Hebrews) and reflects the perspective of early Christian communities, particularly Pauline theology, which emphasizes Jesus’ role in redirecting Israel’s covenantal path. These texts are theological, not historical fact, and their interpretation varies among Christian denominations (e.g., dispensationalists vs. covenant theologians).

Historical Context: In the 1st century CE, Judaism was diverse, with groups like Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes interpreting the Torah differently. Jesus’ teachings challenged certain practices (e.g., Sabbath observance in Mark 2:23-28), aligning with some Jewish reform movements but diverging in claiming messianic authority. This context explains why Christians saw his mission as a course correction, while Jews did not.

Neutral Framing: The question assumes a Christian premise (God sending Jesus), so the answer reflects that framework while acknowledging that Judaism rejects this narrative. No assumption is made about the truth of either perspective, only their respective beliefs.

A "testement" or "covenent" is a contract that ended with being "unchosen" .

A choice was given, take the new contract or fuck off.

What sort of religion worships a God that rejected them?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Jesus' birth ended the Jews

Anyone tell the Jews that they don’t exist?

 

[petros]

Anyone tell the Jews that they don’t exist?

God. What is a religion without a god? Its a cult in name only.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I’m not religious so I’m pretty much on the outside of this, but….I sort of thought that Jews and Christians and Muslims all prayed to the same God more or less? Are you saying that that God doesn’t exist?

 

[petros]

I’m not religious so I’m pretty much on the outside of this, but….I sort of thought that Jews and Christians and Muslims all prayed to the same God more or less? Are you saying that that God doesn’t exist?

The resason Jesus isnt is Jew is because Jesus is God. God was worship by Jews and wasn't himself a Jew.

Get it?

God rejected Jews as unfaithful. They were given a choice to follow Jesus and accept the new Covenent/Testement (contract) or get lost. They chose get lost and it all fell apart,.

They lost another temple and were banished.

The Jews and anyon else who went Christian became God's chosen people whether part of a bloodline or not.

There is no 3rd Testement, apparently God still doesn't want them.

I posted it already this morning.

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[Tecumsehsbones]

A "testement" or "covenent" is a contract that ended with being "unchosen" .

A choice was given, take the new contract or fuck off.

What sort of religion worships a God that rejected them?

Well, at least you're not anti-Semitic.

And there have been dozens of third testaments. You just don't choose to believe them.

Ever heard of, for example, the Book of Mormon?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

God. What is a religion without a god? Its a cult in name only.

Interestingly, for most of the time it's been used in the language, "cult" has not been a negatively-connotated term.

 

[petros]

Well, at least you're not anti-Semitic.

And there have been dozens of third testaments. You just don't choose to believe them.

Ever heard of, for example, the Book of Mormon?

Its not a Testement.

 

[petros]

Interestingly, for most of the time it's been used in the language, "cult" has not been a negatively-connotated term.

I know it's the root of culture but it still not a religion.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The third temple isn't physical.

The wild pig flies at midnight.

 

[petros]

The wild pig flies at midnight.

That's why Mormosexuals are a cult.

 

[petros]

This might clear some shit up for yas.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The resason Jesus isnt is Jew is because Jesus is God. God was worship by Jews and wasn't himself a Jew.

Get it?

No. Not really. Anglican Sunday School is half a century (& a bit) in my past, but wasn’t Jesus suppose to have been the “Son of God” (and Mary, and maybe Joseph too)?

{Went to St. John’s (I think it was called) over on 4th by your place actually. Not sure if it’s even a church anymore}

(If you where a Boy Scout, in that area, when you where a bit younger, at St Johns, do you remember your Scout Masters name?)

God rejected Jews as unfaithful. They were given a choice to follow Jesus and accept the new Covenent/Testement (contract) or get lost. They chose get lost and it all fell apart,.

Ah…the “whose religion is the correct one” sorta thing, and Christianity came after Judaism with its rewrite, so it’s right? Muslims came after that with their rewrite, and so on and so forth, but they’re not the right kinda right? Wrong flavour of right?

They lost another temple and were banished.

Is that what’s in the Jewish version of a Bible, or just in the Christian version of it? I ask ‘cuz I really don’t know & I’m not chasing that one as justification for Oct 7th if that’s what this is.

The Jews and anyon else who went Christian became God's chosen people whether part of a bloodline or not.

Ah….ok…sure. Why not?

There is no 3rd Testement, apparently God still doesn't want them.

I posted it already this morning.

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And there have been dozens of third testaments. You just don't choose to believe them.

Ever heard of, for example, the Book of Mormon?

(YouTube & Mormons were right)

 

[petros]

No. Not really. Anglican Sunday School is half a century (& a bit) in my past, but wasn’t Jesus suppose to have been the “Son of God” (and Mary, and maybe Joseph too)?

{Went to St. John’s (I think it was called) over on 4th by your place actually. Not sure if it’s even a church anymore}
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Ah…the “whose religion is the correct one” sorta thing, and Christianity came after Judaism with its rewrite, so it’s right? Muslims came after that with their rewrite, and so on and so forth, but they’re not the right kinda right? Wrong flavour of right?

Is that what’s in the Jewish version of a Bible, or just in the Christian version of it? I ask ‘cuz I really don’t know & I’m not chasing that one as justification for Oct 7th if that’s what this is.

Ah….ok…sure. Why not?

(YouTube & Mormons were right)

Jesus is the embodiment of God.

Muslims accept Jesus, Jews don't.

The New Testement was written by Jews.

Watch the video. It'll answer all. (Most).

 

[Ron in Regina]

Jesus is the embodiment of God.

Muslims accept Jesus, Jews don't.

The New Testement was written by Jews.

Watch the video. It'll answer all. (Most).

Yeah, I tried watching that earlier, & got about 5 minutes in. Just not up to biblical whatever at this point tonight, so I’ll take your word for it.

(If you where a Boy Scout, in that area, when you where a bit younger, at St Johns, do you remember your Scout Masters name?)

Assuming you lived in North Central as a kid that is…

 

[petros]

Yeah, I tried watching that earlier, & got about 5 minutes in. Just not up to biblical whatever at this point tonight, so I’ll take your word for it.

Assuming you lived in North Central as a kid that is…

You're going to have to take my word or sit through it but in the end Jews were rendered persona non grata and called "fake Jews" by Jesus.

They currently have a belief that this is another test tribulation they must go through to win God back.

If you want to go down the same road of Judea and Samaria as something God promised you have no choice but to know this shit inside out and backwards.

Do you know what eventually happens to the Jews in the NT? They get wiped out completely barring a few who do accept the NT.

I recognise the church on 4th and Gargyle. At that age I was in the Okanagan.

When you were that age were there Churches that pitched the whole Christian Zionists BS. I guarantee it wasn't in your Anglican doctrine or my Ukrainian Greek Catholic up bringing or in the the Roman Catholic schools I attended in Regina even with the have hippie/folksy influence of the 1970s.

Born Again didn't exist. Speaking of born again, only Jews can be born again be being baptised in the church. Its not a Gentile thing.

How did shit get so twisted? Oh I've got that covered too.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I recognise the church on 4th and Gargyle. At that age I was in the Okanagan.

At that age, my father would’ve been your Scout Leader (mid 60’s-mid-70’s) had you been involved there. “Good luck, good hunting, & go straight home” sorta thing.

Do you know what eventually happens to the Jews in the NT?

No, because it doesn’t interest me, because I don’t swim in that pool.

 

[petros]

At that age, my father would’ve been your Scout Leader (mid 60’s-mid-70’s) had you been involved there. “Good luck, good hunting, & go straight home” sorta thing.

No, because it doesn’t interest me, because I don’t swim in that pool.

So you got all the badges?


It should interest you because its one of the main reason for Christian Zionists. The way they see it if they help purge the lands for Israel, rebuild the temple and sacrifice a few head of cattle this will piss off God enough to send Jesus back to wipe out the Jews.

Its a package deal. 2 genocides for the price of one.

YOU DO NOT WANT THIS!

In the Christian Zionist interpretation of end times prophecy—rooted in dispensational premillennialism, a theological framework emphasizing literal fulfillment of biblical prophecies about Israel— the Jewish people play a central role as part of God's covenant plan. This view sees the modern regathering of Jews to Israel (e.g., the establishment of the state in 1948) as a fulfillment of prophecies like those in Ezekiel 36-37 and Deuteronomy 30, setting the stage for eschatological events.8d9abc4fdecc

The sequence typically unfolds as follows:
Pre-Tribulation Regathering: Jews continue returning to Israel, which is viewed as preparation for the end times. This includes the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, enabling sacrifices to resume.bcb986

The Rapture: Believers in Christ (primarily Christians) are suddenly taken to heaven, leaving the world—including most Jews, who are seen as currently in unbelief regarding Jesus as Messiah—to face the Tribulation.32d65e

The Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble): This seven-year period of global catastrophe, described in books like Daniel, Jeremiah, Zechariah, and Revelation, is particularly focused on Israel as a time of refining and judgment.694b73afd51a

Key events for the Jews include:
A deceptive peace covenant with the Antichrist (Daniel 9:27), which is broken midway, leading to invasion and persecution.6f049b

Widespread suffering, where prophecies like Zechariah 13:8-9 are interpreted to mean two-thirds of the Jewish population perishes through trials, while one-third is "refined" like silver in a furnace.85dbf7

Divine protection for a remnant, such as the "woman" (symbolizing Israel) fleeing to the wilderness in Revelation 12.e20bbf

The sealing of 144,000 Jews (12,000 from each tribe) as evangelists who spread the gospel during this chaos (Revelation 7:4-8).b66717

Conversion and Salvation: Toward the end of the Tribulation, the surviving Jewish remnant recognizes Jesus as the Messiah, mourning for Him as prophesied in Zechariah 12:10 and calling on His name (Hosea 5:15; Matthew 23:39).63875fb799964f7138

This national repentance leads to their spiritual regeneration and conversion to faith in Christ, fulfilling Romans 11:26 ("all Israel will be saved"), where "all Israel" refers to the believing remnant rather than every individual Jew.1700c4

This event is seen as a prerequisite for Christ's Second Coming.

The Second Coming and Millennium: Jesus returns, defeats the Antichrist at Armageddon, and establishes a 1,000-year kingdom on Earth. The saved Jewish remnant is restored, regathered, and elevated as the head of nations, ruling with Christ from Jerusalem in a time of peace (Isaiah 2:2; Zechariah 8:7-8; Romans 11:26-29).b0c107163e9eb75a6c

Overall, this narrative portrays the Jews enduring severe trials to purge unbelief, with a faithful remnant ultimately converting to Christianity and inheriting eternal blessings, while those who reject Christ face judgment. Views vary slightly among Christian Zionists, but the emphasis is on God's faithfulness to His covenants with Israel.

 

[Ron in Regina]

So you got all the badges?

Worked for every one of them. Still do.

 

[petros]

Worked for every one of them. Still do.

Keep your tinder dry!