Trudeau announces Amira Elghawaby as Canada's first representative to combat Islamophobia

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When asked by a reporter about Israel’s blockade of Gaza, Anand could have pointed out that Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist group that governs the enclave, had been stealing aid and reselling it for profit. She could have pointed out that it was Hamas that refused to continue a ceasefire with Israel that would have ended the war. She could have pointed out that Hamas continues to hold hostages, or that it routinely inflates casualty numbers and obscures the number of fighters killed to leave the impression of higher civilian deaths. Finally, Anand could have pointed out that Hamas started the war with Israel by committing the October 7 massacre.

She could have pointed out any number of those things, but instead, Anand chose to attack Israel. “We cannot allow the continued use of food as a political tool,” she started, conveniently ignoring Hamas’s routine theft of aid. The organization has profited at least US$500 million since October 7, funds it has used to bolster its terrorist ranks. For example, in October Hamas was caught on camera hijacking 47 aid trucks in a convoy of 100.😳

After Israel started its blockade in March, however, Hamas started to struggle to pay its ranks, as funds from stealing aid began to dry up.😯
Chastising Israel for using food as a “political tool” while overlooking the fact humanitarian aid has been used to fund Hamas’s own war effort, demonstrates an appalling level of bad faith on the part of the foreign affairs minister.🤫

Anand then summed up the war as one entirely of Israel’s making, while simultaneously accepting Hamas’s dubious casualty count. “Over 50,000 people have died as a result of the aggression caused against the Palestinian and the Gazan people in Palestine,” she said.

Anand, apparently, gets her information and her talking points from Hamas, which, again, started this war when it slaughtered 1200 people in southern Israel. Suggesting war is “a result of the aggression caused against” the Palestinians shows she is either very poorly informed, or deliberately pushing an anti-Israel agenda that is absent of facts.

As for the number of casualties, the Hamas controlled health ministry is an unreliable source, routinely listing deaths that never occurred, with 3,400 supposed deaths being dropped in April.

A report in December by think tank the Henry Jackson Society found that casualty counts were regularly manipulated, including, for example, listing thousands of people who would have died whether there was a conflict or not, such as cancer patients, as among the war dead. The report found that 17,000 of the then supposed 44,000 deaths were Hamas fighters, and a majority of those killed were males between the ages of 15 and 45. Hamas also notoriously embeds itself in schools, mosques and hospitals, using its population as human shields.

Repeating Hamas’s casualty numbers without at least distinguishing between Hamas fighters and actual civilians is repeating terrorist propaganda.🤔

Anand also said “we need to continue to work towards a ceasefire,” but, again, it is not Israel that is standing in the way of an end to hostilities. After the end of a 42-day ceasefire in March, Israel had agreed to a U.S. proposal to move to a second phase that would have eventually led to the end of the war. It was Hamas that refused in part because it didn’t want to agree to be disarmed.

Anand’s blaming of Israel, while ignoring the actions of Hamas continues the regrettable pattern of her predecessor, Mélanie “have you seen the demographics of my riding” Joly. Under Joly’s “leadership,” Canada continued funding UNRWA, despite the fact some of its employees took part in October 7, an arms embargo was implemented against Israel, and Canada supported a UN motion calling for a ceasefire that placed no conditions on Hamas. Joly’s department condemned an Israeli attack on a school that never occurred, just as Joly herself condemned Israel for an explosion at a hospital that was committed by the Palestinian side.

Again and again, the Canadian LIBERAL government’s position could be summed up as: Israel has a right to defend itself, so long as it doesn’t use its army. The terrorists who started all this? Well, they are the victims of “aggression,” according to Anand.

All of this would be bad enough, but Canada’s government contributes nothing to resolving the conflict. The Liberals want to snipe at Israel, painting distorted pictures of the war, without doing any of the work. By not supporting the only democracy in the Middle East, Canada forfeits any influence it might have over Israeli policy, showing that this Liberal government is just as performative as the last.

Liberals gotta Lib, or in this case, adLib.
Yeesh. Thick on propaganda.
 
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We may see things differently on the subject, but I completely concur with your assessment of the situation once again here.
I'm not going to allow Israel to take away my freedom of expression and I'm going to call bullshit on the propaganda that is so thick all it needs is a clarinet soundtrack.
 

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I'm not going to allow Israel to take away my freedom of expression and I'm going to call bullshit on the propaganda that is so thick all it needs is a clarinet soundtrack.
Israel isn’t the one you have to worry about. You need to worry about a Muslim invasion. Then you will have no rights.
 

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Israel isn’t the one you have to worry about. You need to worry about a Muslim invasion. Then you will have no rights.
Are you smoking crack? Is the topic about you being stopped from bitching about Muzzies or is it about you being stopped from bitching about Israel? The people losing the Right to bitch are those who bitch about Israel. If one group is held on high none of have rights.

See what I mean about propaganda? The only people trying to take away YOUR Rights are those who cry antisemitism.

Maybe what we really need is for it to be illegal for Govts to lie.

Who made you scared of Muzzies? Muzzies or the Govts who pander to Israel?

Who invaded to whom to start this mess? Did Muzzies invade Israel?
 
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I thought the topic was about Trudeau’s appointee & what she would have to say about some of the weirdness happening in Canada since…well, you know.

“Trudeau announces Amira Elghawaby as Canada's first representative to combat Islamophobia” etc…

What would Amira Elghawaby have to say about this (?) being a reoccurring question through the thread.
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I thought the topic was about Trudeau’s appointee & what she would have to say about some of the weirdness happening in Canada since…well, you know.

“Trudeau announces Amira Elghawaby as Canada's first representative to combat Islamophobia” etc…

What would Amira Elghawaby have to say about this (?) being a reoccurring question through the thread.
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I was on topic. Where's the Anti-Christophobia laws or Anti-Anti-Christophobia laws?
 

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Maybe what we really need is for it to be illegal for Govts to lie.
That would be a good start. We also need a law preventing anyone in Canada from financing muslim terrorists.
Israel has a right to exist. Anyone ranting Death to Israel needs to be deported. No hearing, No trial, just gone.
 

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I was on topic. Where's the Anti-Christophobia laws or Anti-Anti-Christophobia laws?
Where in Canada is there Christophobia? I see lots of Christian churches of many different faiths that are attended regularly. Or is allowing stores to be open Sunday somehow anti Christian?
 

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That would be a good start. We also need a law preventing anyone in Canada from financing muslim terrorists.
Israel has a right to exist. Anyone ranting Death to Israel needs to be deported. No hearing, No trial, just gone.
How do you feel about Israel funding Hamas?

By any chance is it people in Palestine yelling "Death to Israel" who live in Palestine that is illegally occupied and being settled by Israel who have State sponsored non-stop terrorism on Palestine for the past 58 years?

You don't think that's a problem?

 

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Where in Canada is there Christophobia? I see lots of Christian churches of many different faiths that are attended regularly. Or is allowing stores to be open Sunday somehow anti Christian?
100 Churches have been torched in the past 5 years. I hear your Christophbic shit all the time. Why are you afraid to call out Zionist terrorism instead of condoning it? Why?
 

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Apologies to The Who, but the misapplication of their song lyric is apt: on all matters related to the Jewish state, former Global Affairs Minister Melanie Joly was bad. But her successor, Anita Anand, has already shown herself to be far, far worse. That is no easy thing, but the Toronto-area MP has pulled it off.

Would Amira Elghawaby approve?
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This week, reporters approached the newly-appointed Anand for a pro forma comment about the Hamas-Israel war and this is what she said.

“We cannot allow the continued use of food as a political tool … Over 50,000 people have died as a result of the aggression caused against the Palestinians and the Gazan people in Palestine. Using food as a political tool is simply unacceptable,” Anand said, before a cabinet meeting. “We need to continue to work towards a ceasefire. We need to ensure that we have a two-state solution, and Canada will continue to maintain that position.”

She then turned on her heel and stalked away. Jewish Canadians – and the many who support the Jewish state – registered genuine shock. There are several factual problems with what Anita Anand said. Here are the big ones.
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Reality is, there are more voters in Canada that side with Hamas and other recognized terrorist entities (at least vocally) than there are that (vocally) support Israel, at least in Central Canadian ridings, and this sells in a 24hr media news cycle.
 

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Reality is, there are more voters in Canada that side with Hamas and other recognized terrorist entities (at least vocally) than there are that (vocally) support Israel, at least in Central Canadian ridings, and this sells in a 24hr media news cycle.
Or more Canadians aren't impressed with Israel and its terrorism than are.
 

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Or more Canadians aren't impressed with Israel and its terrorism than are.
So by contrast, then more Canadians are impressed by the terrorism from the opposing side in that conflict than aren’t?
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So…did Israel declare war against Palestine (?) or against HAMAS? I wonder what the average age of the combatants in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades would be?
 

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So by contrast, then more Canadians are impressed by the terrorism from the opposing side in that conflict than aren’t?

So…did Israel declare war against Palestine (?) or against HAMAS? I wonder what the average age of the combatants in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades would be?
Why would you believe it's terrorism people support?

Israel can't declare war on Palestine. It's a catch 22 of their own creation. It's admitting Palestine exists independently.

So if it's a war on Hamas, why kill Palestinians indiscriminately?
 

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So if it's a war on Hamas, why kill Palestinians…
Well, Hamas hasn’t embedded itself inside and underneath the Dutch, for the safety of…the Dutch?
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…indiscriminately?
Doesn’t sound like it if the majority of casualties are fighting age males in an urban asymmetrical warfare situation…& that bit of information took forever to get out through the Hamas controlled Gazan Health Authority misinformation campaign.
Israel can't declare war on Palestine. It's a catch 22 of their own creation. It's admitting Palestine exists independently.
Or…or it’s Hamas (and friends) that claimed the assault on Israel October seventh, 2023…holocaustages taken, etc…as this particular war is the 15th war of the Gaza–Israel conflict at this point so far.
Why would you believe it's terrorism people support?
Apparently, both sides in this conflict are terrorists depending on the source information.
It's admitting Palestine exists independently.
Apparently, both sides in this goat rodeo claim the other are illegitimate and belligerent. Was an independent Palestine (or the west wing of Gazan Palestine) responsible for the 10.07.23 attacks or was it Hamas (and friends from Gaza, that excluded the citizens of Gaza)?
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I wonder what the average age of the combatants in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades would be?
I know the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are just one group among many, but the question has to start somewhere, and alphabetically they come first I guess.
Would is be an ‘average’ age of about 17? Maybe an ‘average’ of about 18? “The demographics are the most important thing in all this. We’ve heard the claims that about 70 per cent of the deaths are women and children, and these lists, especially the most recent, show that’s complete nonsense,” he said.

About 72 per cent of fatalities aged 13-55 are men, which is the rough age range of Hamas combatants, Mr Fox said. “We know that Hamas uses child soldiers, and these statistics show clearly that Israel is targeting fighting-aged men.” Those Israeli bastards (see above link).
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Am I justifying civilian (actual civilian) casualties on either side of this? Nope, but I’m pointing out that the whole situation is skewed towards propaganda for both sides, & in this asymmetrical situation, the propaganda regarding civilians (& who is or isn’t a civilian at any given time) has been weaponized since day one.

Anyway, there’s a whole thread for the Hamas/Israeli conflict, & I’m sidetracking away from the weirdness branching from this with its tentacles inside Canada and it’s Canada-centric reactions that this thread seems to be about.
 

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Who backed and funded Hamas from the start? Botswana?

How does Ukraine manage to bomb Russian targets without swaths of civilians being killed?

Better weapons? Nope. Better intelligence? Nope. Avoiding war crimes? Yup.

It's a war crime when Russia deliberately bombs a hospital but a valid target for Israel?


Paywalled.

Who is Mr Fox

What was the average age of soldiers at D Day?
22

HAMAS had 20,000 to 30,000 fighters before October 2023. Israeli press estimates that 16,000 to 18,000 fighters remain.

12,000 out 53,528 is a far fucking cry from 72%. More like 22%

Why do you keep believing the propaganda?

It includes armed groups from various backgrounds, and ideologies from both the right and the left, including Islamists, socialists, nationalists, and others.[4]
So not like Israel on the brink of civil war? Cool.

How is the crime of starvation coming along?
 
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