Canadian Federal Election Outcome October 20th (or 27th?), 2025.
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Mark Carney is stealing Conservative campaign promises, which isn’t by itself a bad thing because theirs are better than his.
Lower taxes, less government spending and fewer bureaucrats, more affordable housing, quicker approval of major projects, better national defence, pipelines east and west; all of those are commendable. (The only Conservative policy missing is lower crime and tougher bail.)
The problem is, for every Conservative pledge Carney plagiarizes he adds a Liberal caveat that makes it unlikely a re-elected Liberal government will implement any of the good ideas he has copied off Pierre Poilievre’s campaign papers.
“Quebec uses 350,000 on average barrels of oil a day,” Carney told a news conference, “70 per cent of which comes from the U.S. There is a big advantage to Canada to push that out, use our own oil …”
So far, so good. More Alberta oil for Quebec, less American. For one thing, that would lessen the Trump administration’s leverage over us in a tariff war.
But here comes the Liberal caveat: Carney would only favour replacing American oil with the stuff from Alberta, IF Quebecers and Indigenous peoples overwhelmingly approved of a pipeline to bring Western crude to their province, and IF the environmentalists could be brought on board.
Carney and his Libs, like Poilievre and his Conservatives, say they favour faster approval of major energy projects and just one set of hearings/approvals. But Carney has also said he will not get rid of the Impact Assessment Act, also known as the No More Pipelines Act. It’s called that because that’s what its goal is — to tie up pipelines and other megaprojects in so many hearings and so much red tape that they never get built.
By contrast, in Terrace, B.C. on Monday, Poilievre proposed a new office to speed up regulatory approval of big projects and pledged to assign it the task of swiftly authorizing 10 resource projects that have been stalled for up to a decade. These include the second phase of the northern B.C. LNG pipeline and terminal, a new port for mineral exports in Quebec, a new uranium mine in Saskatchewan and probably even a $21-billion Teck Resources oilsands mine in Alberta that had the approval of all 14 Indigenous communities around it but was cancelled by the Liberals anyway.
While both leaders’ promises are similar, who do you think is more likely to follow through?
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Of course, Carney followed through on Poilievre’s promise to axe the consumer carbon tax, but then immediately followed up with a promise to create a new corporate carbon tax that will just get passed on to consumers.
Both Liberals and Conservatives have promised to encourage new home construction, but only the Conservatives have promised to use tax incentives for homebuyers and builders to pick up the pace.
The Libs want to put the government in charge of building tens of thousands of pre-fab homes across the country. No thanks, Mr. Carney, the solution to the doubling of housing prices thanks to your government’s policies is not to put your government in charge of building new homes. Yours is the same government that couldn’t produce passports in under six months, can’t produce tax slips this year nor equip an army for overseas missions, and increased the federal bureaucracy over 40 per cent in nine years while the population only grew by 15 per cent.
It’s understandable that a lot of Canadians are worried about this country’s prosperity in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s entirely unnecessary, destructive tariff experiment. But to put back in charge the government that gave us the worst economic growth rate among developed nations in the last 10 years makes as much sense as putting them in charge of housing affordability.
Lower taxes, less government spending and fewer bureaucrats, more affordable housing, quicker approval of major projects, better national defence, pipelines east and west; all of those are commendable. (The only Conservative policy missing is lower crime and tougher bail.)
The problem is, for every Conservative pledge Carney plagiarizes he adds a Liberal caveat that makes it unlikely a re-elected Liberal government will implement any of the good ideas he has copied off Pierre Poilievre’s campaign papers.
“Quebec uses 350,000 on average barrels of oil a day,” Carney told a news conference, “70 per cent of which comes from the U.S. There is a big advantage to Canada to push that out, use our own oil …”
So far, so good. More Alberta oil for Quebec, less American. For one thing, that would lessen the Trump administration’s leverage over us in a tariff war.
But here comes the Liberal caveat: Carney would only favour replacing American oil with the stuff from Alberta, IF Quebecers and Indigenous peoples overwhelmingly approved of a pipeline to bring Western crude to their province, and IF the environmentalists could be brought on board.
Carney and his Libs, like Poilievre and his Conservatives, say they favour faster approval of major energy projects and just one set of hearings/approvals. But Carney has also said he will not get rid of the Impact Assessment Act, also known as the No More Pipelines Act. It’s called that because that’s what its goal is — to tie up pipelines and other megaprojects in so many hearings and so much red tape that they never get built.
By contrast, in Terrace, B.C. on Monday, Poilievre proposed a new office to speed up regulatory approval of big projects and pledged to assign it the task of swiftly authorizing 10 resource projects that have been stalled for up to a decade. These include the second phase of the northern B.C. LNG pipeline and terminal, a new port for mineral exports in Quebec, a new uranium mine in Saskatchewan and probably even a $21-billion Teck Resources oilsands mine in Alberta that had the approval of all 14 Indigenous communities around it but was cancelled by the Liberals anyway.
While both leaders’ promises are similar, who do you think is more likely to follow through?
Lorne Gunter: Carney Libs could never deliver on policies stolen from Conservatives
For every Conservative pledge Carney plagiarizes he adds a Liberal caveat making it unlikely a Liberal government will implement any of them
Both Liberals and Conservatives have promised to encourage new home construction, but only the Conservatives have promised to use tax incentives for homebuyers and builders to pick up the pace.
The Libs want to put the government in charge of building tens of thousands of pre-fab homes across the country. No thanks, Mr. Carney, the solution to the doubling of housing prices thanks to your government’s policies is not to put your government in charge of building new homes. Yours is the same government that couldn’t produce passports in under six months, can’t produce tax slips this year nor equip an army for overseas missions, and increased the federal bureaucracy over 40 per cent in nine years while the population only grew by 15 per cent.
It’s understandable that a lot of Canadians are worried about this country’s prosperity in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s entirely unnecessary, destructive tariff experiment. But to put back in charge the government that gave us the worst economic growth rate among developed nations in the last 10 years makes as much sense as putting them in charge of housing affordability.
Where does the money come from? Is Botswana gonna invest?Mark Carney is stealing Conservative campaign promises, which isn’t by itself a bad thing because theirs are better than his.
Lower taxes, less government spending and fewer bureaucrats, more affordable housing, quicker approval of major projects, better national defence, pipelines east and west; all of those are commendable. (The only Conservative policy missing is lower crime and tougher bail.)
The problem is, for every Conservative pledge Carney plagiarizes he adds a Liberal caveat that makes it unlikely a re-elected Liberal government will implement any of the good ideas he has copied off Pierre Poilievre’s campaign papers.
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“Quebec uses 350,000 on average barrels of oil a day,” Carney told a news conference, “70 per cent of which comes from the U.S. There is a big advantage to Canada to push that out, use our own oil …”
So far, so good. More Alberta oil for Quebec, less American. For one thing, that would lessen the Trump administration’s leverage over us in a tariff war.
But here comes the Liberal caveat: Carney would only favour replacing American oil with the stuff from Alberta, IF Quebecers and Indigenous peoples overwhelmingly approved of a pipeline to bring Western crude to their province, and IF the environmentalists could be brought on board.
Carney and his Libs, like Poilievre and his Conservatives, say they favour faster approval of major energy projects and just one set of hearings/approvals. But Carney has also said he will not get rid of the Impact Assessment Act, also known as the No More Pipelines Act. It’s called that because that’s what its goal is — to tie up pipelines and other megaprojects in so many hearings and so much red tape that they never get built.
By contrast, in Terrace, B.C. on Monday, Poilievre proposed a new office to speed up regulatory approval of big projects and pledged to assign it the task of swiftly authorizing 10 resource projects that have been stalled for up to a decade. These include the second phase of the northern B.C. LNG pipeline and terminal, a new port for mineral exports in Quebec, a new uranium mine in Saskatchewan and probably even a $21-billion Teck Resources oilsands mine in Alberta that had the approval of all 14 Indigenous communities around it but was cancelled by the Liberals anyway.
While both leaders’ promises are similar, who do you think is more likely to follow through?
Of course, Carney followed through on Poilievre’s promise to axe the consumer carbon tax, but then immediately followed up with a promise to create a new corporate carbon tax that will just get passed on to consumers.Lorne Gunter: Carney Libs could never deliver on policies stolen from Conservatives
For every Conservative pledge Carney plagiarizes he adds a Liberal caveat making it unlikely a Liberal government will implement any of them
Both Liberals and Conservatives have promised to encourage new home construction, but only the Conservatives have promised to use tax incentives for homebuyers and builders to pick up the pace.
The Libs want to put the government in charge of building tens of thousands of pre-fab homes across the country. No thanks, Mr. Carney, the solution to the doubling of housing prices thanks to your government’s policies is not to put your government in charge of building new homes. Yours is the same government that couldn’t produce passports in under six months, can’t produce tax slips this year nor equip an army for overseas missions, and increased the federal bureaucracy over 40 per cent in nine years while the population only grew by 15 per cent.
It’s understandable that a lot of Canadians are worried about this country’s prosperity in the face of U.S. President Donald Trump’s entirely unnecessary, destructive tariff experiment. But to put back in charge the government that gave us the worst economic growth rate among developed nations in the last 10 years makes as much sense as putting them in charge of housing affordability.
All these resource projects, infrastructure projects, Arctic ports. Defense. Free burning hair cuts.
Thank you. Either through cuts to current programs & government spending, combined with borrowed/printed money using natural resources for collateral, would be my assumption.
A combination of the two, so as not to dramatically increase taxation, would be the best bet, but who’s promising that vs who isn’t?
Nationally, the volume and severity of crimes has gone up since 2015 — with Statistics Canada reporting a third consecutive annual increase in 2023, when the agency's "Crime Severity Index" went up two per cent from 2022.
Toronto police statistics show reported shooting incidents in the city increased to 461 in 2024 from 345 the previous year, after declining since a peak of 492 incidents in 2019. At the same time, the number of people killed or injured in shootings declined in 2024 to 164 — the lowest number in five years — while the number of assaults hit a record high of more than 25,800.
In Peel region, several types of crime have also increased in recent years, including hate-motivated crimes, robberies and break-and-entering incidents, according to the Peel Regional Police.
Last year, the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) reported that they seized 5,600 weapons and 10,000 kilograms of drugs in the GTA, etc…
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Poilievre, who said this week he wants a "three strikes" law to ensure people with three convictions for "serious offences" face a mandatory sentence of at least 10 years in jail, told reporters in Milton on Thursday that there "has been absolute crime and chaos in the GTA after the lost Liberal decade, and we cannot trust the same Liberals who caused the problem to fix it."
Carney presented a similar but watered down, with caveats, plan while attacking Poilievre for having an idea how to fund his plan with cuts as opposed to Carneys idea of just printing more money. See link above.
Poilievre has promised to scrap the gun buyback program, vowing to use the money — which the Conservatives earmark at $600 million — to beef up border security to stop illegal guns from entering Canada…which is what police departments have been asking for, for years. Carney of course has an issue with this.
"You can't be serious about stopping intimate partner violence without being serious about gun control," Carney said? What?
Toronto police statistics show reported shooting incidents in the city increased to 461 in 2024 from 345 the previous year, after declining since a peak of 492 incidents in 2019. At the same time, the number of people killed or injured in shootings declined in 2024 to 164 — the lowest number in five years — while the number of assaults hit a record high of more than 25,800.
In Peel region, several types of crime have also increased in recent years, including hate-motivated crimes, robberies and break-and-entering incidents, according to the Peel Regional Police.
Last year, the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) reported that they seized 5,600 weapons and 10,000 kilograms of drugs in the GTA, etc…
Pierre Poilievre and Mark Carney spar over guns, reveal duelling agendas to curb crime — Toronto Star
Both parties are offering duelling agendas to crack down on crime — and attacking each other for allegedly irresponsible policies.
Carney presented a similar but watered down, with caveats, plan while attacking Poilievre for having an idea how to fund his plan with cuts as opposed to Carneys idea of just printing more money. See link above.
Poilievre has promised to scrap the gun buyback program, vowing to use the money — which the Conservatives earmark at $600 million — to beef up border security to stop illegal guns from entering Canada…which is what police departments have been asking for, for years. Carney of course has an issue with this.
"You can't be serious about stopping intimate partner violence without being serious about gun control," Carney said? What?
….& here we are halfway through an election cycle, being the shortest allowed by law, and Jagmeet Singh & his Coalition NPD/Libs are absolutely tanking.
No longer being the blue collar party they started as many decades ago, and being completely tone deaf to the taxpayers, or to the concept that someone has to pay for the NDP desired goodies, Jagmeet is coming out with this platform. NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says cutting federal public service jobs under the threat of a tariff-induced recession is the wrong thing to do.
(The size of the civil service has exploded during the Trudeau Liberals’ nine years in power: growing more than 43 per cent, even though the country’s population has grown by less than 15 per cent in the same period
)During a press conference in downtown Ottawa Friday, Singh took aim at Liberal Leader Mark Carney and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre for their intentions to curb the size of the public service. Carney has said he plans to cap the number of public servants, while Poilievre’s party has signalled that it would cut 17,000 government employees a year through attrition alone.
The size of the public service has swelled to 367,772 workers in 2024 from 257,034 in 2015, when the Liberals were elected.
“I reject the proposal of cutting jobs at the public sector — that’s the last thing we need to do right now,” he said after delivering a keynote address at the 2025 Progress Summit, a conference organized by the Broadbent Institute, a progressive think tank. “These are folks that provide the services we need, and with the uncertainty, there might be more services that we need to provide to Canadians.”
(…the bureaucracy that serves the prime minister has grown dramatically during the Trudeau years. That bureaucracy, known as the Privy Council Office, has 1,288 employees in 2024, an increase of 561 people or 77 per cent compared to the 727 PCO employees in 2015. And yet, when asked to explain why his office needed so many more employees, a spokesperson for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau did not answer, instead directing queries to the bureaucrats in the PCO
)Singh pitched the NDP as a power broker on Parliament Hill that could hold a Liberal minority government to account if enough of the party’s candidates are elected. In his speech, he argued that a strong NDP presence in Parliament could help uphold the welfare state, including top-ups to employment insurance and increased health funding.
When discussing the size of the public service, Singh pointed to the need for more government workers to ensure strong government programs like employment insurance can support Canadians through a trade war.
Singh also said he supports public service unions in their fight for remote work
, particularly as more unions prepare for bargaining their next contract after a public service strike in 2023. Singh slammed the Liberals for what he said was a broken promise to negotiate with the unions on working-from-home language in their contract. Ahhh…yeah, ok.(When asked in a January Radio-Canada interview whether public servants should be allowed to work from home, Poilievre said that what matters is whether the work gets done)
Singh slams Carney, Poilievre over proposed public service cuts — Ottawa Citizen
"We're going to need more public workers, we're not going to need less of them."
“Hey Jagmeet, how’d that non-coalition coalition that definitely was not a coalition-type coalition work out for you?”
Of the five guys below, Poilievre, Blanchet, & Singh have been elected by the voters in their electoral ridings, and represent their constituents as their Member of Parliament.
The other two dudes bookending them just haven’t.
The other two dudes bookending them just haven’t.
This from the CBC even…
Two Liberal Party staffers attended last week's Canada Strong and Free Networking (CSFN) Conference where they planted buttons that used Trump-style language and highlighted division within the Conservative Party.
The conference, often referred to by its former name, the Manning Centre, is an opportunity for conservative-leaning Canadians to talk about policy proposals and network. It was held at the Westin Hotel in downtown Ottawa.
The Liberal Party of Canada has sought to tie Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre to the American president in speeches and ads. Some Conservative supporters have expressed skepticism about polling numbers that put the Liberals ahead.
Another button had the name "Jenni Byrne" crossed out, with the name "Kory Teneycke" underneath. Byrne is the national campaign director for the Conservative Party of Canada.
The buttons were scattered in the event space in a way to give the impression that they were made and left by people attending the conference.
In fact, the idea came from the Liberal war room.
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On Friday night, in two Ottawa bars, campaign workers shared how the party was behind this move — how two Liberal Party staffers attended the conference intended for conservatives and placed these buttons in areas where attendees would find them.
One of those conversations was in the immediate earshot of this journalist. A Conservative source overheard the other conversation.
The Liberal Party did not respond to a request for comment, but also did not deny their campaign's involvement. Oh well…
"Despite their public claims, it's clear that it's the Liberals who are attempting to bring American-style politics to our country," said Conservative Party of Canada spokesperson Sam Lilly in a statement.
"One wonders what other dirty tricks the Liberals are behind as they desperately seek to distract from their disastrous record while seeking a fourth Liberal term."
Two Liberal Party staffers attended last week's Canada Strong and Free Networking (CSFN) Conference where they planted buttons that used Trump-style language and highlighted division within the Conservative Party.
The conference, often referred to by its former name, the Manning Centre, is an opportunity for conservative-leaning Canadians to talk about policy proposals and network. It was held at the Westin Hotel in downtown Ottawa.
The Liberal Party of Canada has sought to tie Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre to the American president in speeches and ads. Some Conservative supporters have expressed skepticism about polling numbers that put the Liberals ahead.
Another button had the name "Jenni Byrne" crossed out, with the name "Kory Teneycke" underneath. Byrne is the national campaign director for the Conservative Party of Canada.
The buttons were scattered in the event space in a way to give the impression that they were made and left by people attending the conference.
In fact, the idea came from the Liberal war room.
Liberal operatives planted 'stop the steal' buttons at conservative conference — CBC News
Two Liberal Party staffers attended last week's Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference where they planted buttons that used Trump-style language and highlighted division within the Conservative Party.
One of those conversations was in the immediate earshot of this journalist. A Conservative source overheard the other conversation.
The Liberal Party did not respond to a request for comment, but also did not deny their campaign's involvement. Oh well…
"Despite their public claims, it's clear that it's the Liberals who are attempting to bring American-style politics to our country," said Conservative Party of Canada spokesperson Sam Lilly in a statement.
"One wonders what other dirty tricks the Liberals are behind as they desperately seek to distract from their disastrous record while seeking a fourth Liberal term."
The bombshell story shows a disturbing effort to spread disinformation, Calgary-area MP Michelle Rempel Garner told National Post, adding it should be viewed as a dishonest and disturbing attempt to distract Canadians from the issues at hand in the ongoing election.
But they were exposed after they discussed the plot at an Ottawa bar and were overheard by a CBC reporter.
The Liberal party has acknowledged the broadcaster’s reporting of the controversy, but suggested it was a joke that got carried away?
The Liberals regret getting caught, etc…& this is happening as the campaign has featured the Liberals regularly accusing Poilievre of “American-style campaigning” in an attempt to tarnish the Conservative leader by comparing him to Trump? Really?
Spread of fake campaign pins 'disgusting,' says senior Tory
Liberal staff bragged about disinformation plot within earshot of a CBC reporter
CBC lead that one.The bombshell story shows a disturbing effort to spread disinformation, Calgary-area MP Michelle Rempel Garner told National Post, adding it should be viewed as a dishonest and disturbing attempt to distract Canadians from the issues at hand in the ongoing election.
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But they were exposed after they discussed the plot at an Ottawa bar and were overheard by a CBC reporter.
The Liberal party has acknowledged the broadcaster’s reporting of the controversy, but suggested it was a joke that got carried away?
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The Liberals regret getting caught, etc…& this is happening as the campaign has featured the Liberals regularly accusing Poilievre of “American-style campaigning” in an attempt to tarnish the Conservative leader by comparing him to Trump? Really?
Spread of fake campaign pins 'disgusting,' says senior Tory
Liberal staff bragged about disinformation plot within earshot of a CBC reporternationalpost.com
CBC reporter happened to be in the same bar that these two liberal staffers were bragging about this in.
Makes you wonder if these two have their CSIS security clearance that they’ve been hounding Poilievre about to try and muzzle him about foreign interference…?
This is really nothing new as far as misinformation disinformation cisinformation from Liberals goes, but I’m glad they got caught and exposed this time.
Here’s Freeland (who’s also in Carneys Cabinet) being greasy about misinformation & disinformation:
(YouTube & Minister Freeland Answers for her Misinformation)
(YouTube & Twitter catches Freeland lying about O'Toole)
These are the ones just off the top of my head, & just Freeland.
These are the ones just off the top of my head, & just Freeland.
Anywho, I wonder which Liberal Ministers Staffers these were (?) & in turn what did that Minister know in advance?
Somebody in the upper echelon in the party had to approve funding the buttons, memberships to get in the event and fluff costs. There is a money trail.
Carney said the staffers who were responsible for planting the buttons, have been “reassigned within the campaign.” (???) The Liberal campaign did not immediately clarify how that affected their employment in concrete terms.
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In a statement provided Sunday night, Liberal spokesperson Kevin Lemkay acknowledged the button controversy, suggesting that it was a joke that got carried away? Really?
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Sam Lilly, a campaign spokesperson for the Conservative party, said the Liberal campaign “has been caught red-handed importing American-style politics to Canada.”
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Two Liberal party staffers infiltrated last week’s Canada Strong and Free Network Conference (CSFN) in Ottawa at which they strategically placed provocative buttons designed to create the false impression that Conservative supporters of party leader Pierre Poilievre were embracing Trump-style rhetoric, highlighting internal party divisions.
The operation was exposed when a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) politics reporter overheard staffers boasting about their actions at an Ottawa pub, where they were drinking with other Liberal war room colleagues on Friday night.
The incident comes in the final stretch of a heated campaign only weeks away from elections, in which the Liberals who hold a polling lead have consistently sought to characterize Poilievre as Canada’s version of Trump.
If you have to manufacturer evidence, perhaps your basis isn’t all that strong, or is completely fictional.
“Of course, Mark Carney won’t fire those responsible,” he said. “From the top down, Carney’s entire campaign has been based on pushing those very same divisive attacks on their fellow Canadians.”
Liberal staffers plant ‘stop the steal’ pins at Canadian conservative conference
Operatives placed buttons at CSFN trying to link Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre with Donald Trump
Spread of fake campaign pins 'disgusting,' says senior Tory — National Post
Liberals acknowledge controversy, but suggest it was a joke that got carried away
Carney apologizes for fake Trump-style buttons, Liberal staffers 'reassigned' — National Post
Liberal staffers were caught bragging about how they planted buttons at a conservative conference in downtown Ottawa
The operation was exposed when a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) politics reporter overheard staffers boasting about their actions at an Ottawa pub, where they were drinking with other Liberal war room colleagues on Friday night.
The incident comes in the final stretch of a heated campaign only weeks away from elections, in which the Liberals who hold a polling lead have consistently sought to characterize Poilievre as Canada’s version of Trump.
If you have to manufacturer evidence, perhaps your basis isn’t all that strong, or is completely fictional.
“Of course, Mark Carney won’t fire those responsible,” he said. “From the top down, Carney’s entire campaign has been based on pushing those very same divisive attacks on their fellow Canadians.”