The Tarriff Hype.

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Canada is. No US booze. Ontario's electricity exports are now taxed. BC. is going make US truck drives pay tolls for traveling through BC to get to and from Alaska. In fact some of the provinces are far more active in this fight than the Fed.
As far as Ontario goes, the no booze and tax on hydro exports will remain in effect until this fucking nonsense is done and over with. Although if the shit continues into April there'll be NO hydro exports from Ontario to the US either.

And of course there's Orangutan Man's continued insistence that we have nothing the US needs while threatening to annex Canada, ostensibly because we're loaded with resources that the US definitely fucking needs.
I mean I don't see Trump blocking the 4.3 million bbls of oil per day we export to the US. If he don't need it, why he still buying it?
Because he knows he's full of shit. If we have nothing the US needs then why simply tariff our goods and not just ban Canadian imports altogether?

Maybe we should demonstrate his stupidity by prohibiting the export of certain critical elements to the US. The kind of elements that are also important to other markets, (besides China). At least we won't need pipelines for that stuff.

Then there's today's little cry-fit over Dairy.

Which he's only partly right on. Dairy - and other goods - are tariffed after they reach a quota. When the USMCA was first agreed to, the US took Canada to tribunal (or whatever it'd be called) over the issue. The US 'won' and Canada adjusted the pricing twice. In 2023 I guess they whined again.

The issue is the tariffs are meant to protect Canadian Dairy from a flood from the US (which isn't up to Canadian standards anyway and boy are American dairy people pissed 'bout that). But of course he whined about Dairy being 200+% without the actual context. But what a way to rile up Americans.
 
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Then there's today's little cry-fit over Dairy.

Which he's only partly right on. Dairy - and other goods - are tariffed after they reach a quota. When the USMCA was first agreed to, the US took Canada to tribunal (or whatever it'd be called) over the issue. The US 'won' and Canada adjusted the pricing twice. In 2023 I guess they whined again.

The issue is the tariffs are meant to protect Canadian Dairy from a flood from the US (which isn't up to Canadian standards anyway and boy are American dairy people pissed 'bout that). But of course he whined about Dairy being 200+% without the actual context. But what a way to rile up Americans.
It’s 200+% like the trade deficit with Canada being 1/10th the population of the US being a Billion-Kajillion dollars then?

If we do a combined dollar figure annually with the US & the spread in the deficit is less than 5%…& we’re 1/10th their population…that’s pretty much a Wash.

PS: Toronto police say about 90 per cent of the guns used in shootings, including those that cause injury and death, are now traced back to the U.S. which is no big surprise whatsoever…& it’s probably more than 46 kg of guns smuggled Canada from the US every year.

Is that America’s fault, or does that lay squarely on Canada and its 8900km long border with the US? Is that a CBSA/RCMP shortcoming because they’re entering Canada…so not CBP/America’s issue?
Kinda like the 0.02% of Fentanyl that was blamed on Canada entering the US?
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Is Trump going to blame Canada for the flood of illegal guns into the US next?
 

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It’s 200+% like the trade deficit with Canada being 1/10th the population of the US being a Billion-Kajillion dollars then?

If we do a combined dollar figure annually with the US & the spread in the deficit is less than 5%…& we’re 1/10th their population…that’s pretty much a Wash.

PS: Toronto police say about 90 per cent of the guns used in shootings, including those that cause injury and death, are now traced back to the U.S. which is no big surprise whatsoever…& it’s probably more than 46 kg of guns smuggled Canada from the US every year.

Is that America’s fault, or does that lay squarely on Canada and its 8900km long border with the US? Is that a CBSA/RCMP shortcoming because they’re entering Canada…so not CBP/America’s issue?
Kinda like the 0.02% of Fentanyl that was blamed on Canada entering the US?
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Is Trump going to blame Canada for the flood of illegal guns into the US next?
No it is because an unnamed First Nation‘s reserve spans the border .
 
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Then there's today's little cry-fit over Dairy.

Which he's only partly right on. Dairy - and other goods - are tariffed after they reach a quota. When the USMCA was first agreed to, the US took Canada to tribunal (or whatever it'd be called) over the issue. The US 'won' and Canada adjusted the pricing twice. In 2023 I guess they whined again.

The issue is the tariffs are meant to protect Canadian Dairy from a flood from the US (which isn't up to Canadian standards anyway and boy are American dairy people pissed 'bout that). But of course he whined about Dairy being 200+% without the actual context. But what a way to rile up Americans.
The reality is the vast majority of our food standards are higher than the US. If we really wanna rile 'em up, ban US milk imports altogether. Why should we accept food that is substandard to our standards?
Personally I think the stupid quota system imposed on dairy is limiting its growth. A few decades ago New Zealand had a similar system and ultimately scrapped it. As a result little, tiny New Zealand became a global dairy powerhouse.
We keep getting stuck with govts who think small.
 
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It’s 200+% like the trade deficit with Canada being 1/10th the population of the US being a Billion-Kajillion dollars then?

If we do a combined dollar figure annually with the US & the spread in the deficit is less than 5%…& we’re 1/10th their population…that’s pretty much a Wash.
Actually, if you subtract the oil, gas and coal exports to the US that they desperately need the US would have a $55 billion trade surplus with Canada.
Add to that the deep discount the US gets on our oil and that they export some of that at full market price netting the US a nice $19 billion/yr windfall.
 

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The reality is the vast majority of our food standards are higher than the US. If we really wanna rile 'em up, ban US milk imports altogether. Why should we accept food that is substandard to our standards?
Personally I think the stupid quota system imposed on dairy is limiting its growth. A few decades ago New Zealand had a similar system and ultimately scrapped it. As a result little, tiny New Zealand became a global dairy powerhouse.
We keep getting stuck with govts who think small.

IIRC one of the reasons given for not wanting dairy in Canada, besides the standards, was that American milk is sweeter than ours. And the feed they give is different enough to alter levels of hormones in the milk. *shrug* Not sure how valid that is though. I do follow a couple of dairy farmers in the US and one of them started a shitshow when he threw up the over quota percentages but without context. Then he claimed that there's no difference between how the US does things and how Canada does which pulled in a few Canadian dairy farmers. Despite being click-baity, it has been interesting to read the back and forth differences.
 

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Good times. China announced tariffs on over $2.6 billion worth of Canadian agricultural and food products on Saturday, retaliating against levies Ottawa introduced in October and opening a new front in a trade war largely driven by U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats.

Almost read a paragraph without mentioning Donald Trump & Tariffs in the same sentence. It was that close….

The levies, announced by the commerce ministry and scheduled to take effect on March 20, match the 100% and 25% import duties Canada slapped on China-made electric vehicles and steel and aluminium products just over four months ago.

By excluding canola (a HUGE crop for Sask who produces 55% of Canada’s total Canola crops), which is also known as rapeseed, and was one of Canada's top exports to the world's No.1 agricultural importer prior to China investigating it for anti-dumping last year, Beijing may be keeping the door open for trade talks….’cuz Canola from SK is soooo closely related to the EV industry in ON & the Aluminum industry in Quebec.😉

(This is the tactic the Chinese used a few years ago to try and hurt Ottawa by punishing exports from Western Canada over the Hauwei woman fiasco)
But the Chinese tariffs also serve as a warning shot, analysts say, with the Trump administration having signalled it could ease 25% import levies the White House is threatening Canada and Mexico with if they apply the same extra 20% duty he has slapped on Chinese goods over fentanyl flows…& again…another elephant, trying to dictate Canada’s foreign policy from the outside.

"Canada's measures seriously violate World Trade Organization rules, constitute a typical act of protectionism and are discriminatory measures that severely harm China's legitimate rights and interests," the commerce ministry said in a statement.

China will apply a 100% Tariff to just over $1 billion of Canadian rapeseed oil, oil cakes and pea imports, and a 25% duty on $1.6 billion worth of Canadian aquatic products and pork. Fantastic!

"The timing may serve as a warning shot," said Dan Wang, China director at Eurasia Group in Singapore. "By striking now, China reminds Canada of the cost of aligning too closely with American trade policy."1741447044512.png
"China's delayed response (to Ottawa's October tariffs) likely reflects both capacity constraints and strategic signalling," she added. "The commerce ministry is stretched thin, juggling trade disputes with the U.S. and European Union."

Still Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in August that Ottawa was imposing the levies to counter what he called China's intentional state-directed policy of over-capacity, following the lead of the United States and European Union, both of which have also applied import levies to Chinese-made EVs.

In response, China in September launched an anti-dumping investigation into Canadian canola imports😉. More than half of Canada's canola exports go to China and the trade was worth $3.7 billion in 2023, according to the Canola Council of Canada.
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"The investigation on Canadian canola is still ongoing. That canola was not included in the list of tariffs this time might also be a gesture to leave room for negotiations," said Rosa Wang, an analyst with agricultural consultancy JCI.

Beijing could also be hoping that a change in government in Ottawa makes it more amenable. Canada's next national election must be held by October 20, 2025, in theory according to legislation on fixed election dates introduced by Stephen Harper…but it says that it must happen once every 5 years according to the constitution…
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China is Canada's second-largest trading partner, trailing far behind the United States. Canada exported $47 billion worth of goods to the world's second-largest economy in 2024, according to Chinese customs data.

"To be honest I don’t understand why they are doing this one at all," said Even Pay, agriculture analyst at Trivium China.

"I expect Beijing will use the election and change of leader as an opportunity to reset relations as they did with Australia," she added.

China in 2020 introduced a series of tariffs, bans and other restrictions on key Australian exports, including barley, wine, beef, coal, lobster and timber in retaliation to Canberra calling for a COVID origins probe.

Beijing did not begin lifting the bans until 2023, one year after Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese ousted Scott Morrison, who had called for the inquiry.
 

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Good times. China announced tariffs on over $2.6 billion worth of Canadian agricultural and food products on Saturday, retaliating against levies Ottawa introduced in October and opening a new front in a trade war largely driven by U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats.

Almost read a paragraph without mentioning Donald Trump & Tariffs in the same sentence. It was that close….

The levies, announced by the commerce ministry and scheduled to take effect on March 20, match the 100% and 25% import duties Canada slapped on China-made electric vehicles and steel and aluminium products just over four months ago.

By excluding canola (a HUGE crop for Sask who produces 55% of Canada’s total Canola crops), which is also known as rapeseed, and was one of Canada's top exports to the world's No.1 agricultural importer prior to China investigating it for anti-dumping last year, Beijing may be keeping the door open for trade talks….’cuz Canola from SK is soooo closely related to the EV industry in ON & the Aluminum industry in Quebec.😉

(This is the tactic the Chinese used a few years ago to try and hurt Ottawa by punishing exports from Western Canada over the Hauwei woman fiasco)
But the Chinese tariffs also serve as a warning shot, analysts say, with the Trump administration having signalled it could ease 25% import levies the White House is threatening Canada and Mexico with if they apply the same extra 20% duty he has slapped on Chinese goods over fentanyl flows…& again…another elephant, trying to dictate Canada’s foreign policy from the outside.

"Canada's measures seriously violate World Trade Organization rules, constitute a typical act of protectionism and are discriminatory measures that severely harm China's legitimate rights and interests," the commerce ministry said in a statement.

China will apply a 100% Tariff to just over $1 billion of Canadian rapeseed oil, oil cakes and pea imports, and a 25% duty on $1.6 billion worth of Canadian aquatic products and pork. Fantastic!

"The timing may serve as a warning shot," said Dan Wang, China director at Eurasia Group in Singapore. "By striking now, China reminds Canada of the cost of aligning too closely with American trade policy."View attachment 27928
"China's delayed response (to Ottawa's October tariffs) likely reflects both capacity constraints and strategic signalling," she added. "The commerce ministry is stretched thin, juggling trade disputes with the U.S. and European Union."

Still Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said in August that Ottawa was imposing the levies to counter what he called China's intentional state-directed policy of over-capacity, following the lead of the United States and European Union, both of which have also applied import levies to Chinese-made EVs.

In response, China in September launched an anti-dumping investigation into Canadian canola imports😉. More than half of Canada's canola exports go to China and the trade was worth $3.7 billion in 2023, according to the Canola Council of Canada.
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"The investigation on Canadian canola is still ongoing. That canola was not included in the list of tariffs this time might also be a gesture to leave room for negotiations," said Rosa Wang, an analyst with agricultural consultancy JCI.

Beijing could also be hoping that a change in government in Ottawa makes it more amenable. Canada's next national election must be held by October 20, 2025, in theory according to legislation on fixed election dates introduced by Stephen Harper…but it says that it must happen once every 5 years according to the constitution…
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China is Canada's second-largest trading partner, trailing far behind the United States. Canada exported $47 billion worth of goods to the world's second-largest economy in 2024, according to Chinese customs data.

"To be honest I don’t understand why they are doing this one at all," said Even Pay, agriculture analyst at Trivium China.

"I expect Beijing will use the election and change of leader as an opportunity to reset relations as they did with Australia," she added.

China in 2020 introduced a series of tariffs, bans and other restrictions on key Australian exports, including barley, wine, beef, coal, lobster and timber in retaliation to Canberra calling for a COVID origins probe.

Beijing did not begin lifting the bans until 2023, one year after Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese ousted Scott Morrison, who had called for the inquiry.
Its canola oil and canola livestock feed cakes left from crushing. No tariffs on canola seed. No biggie, more for biodiesel.

Canadian rapeseed oil, oil cakes and pea imports
 

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Then there's today's little cry-fit over Dairy.

Which he's only partly right on. Dairy - and other goods - are tariffed after they reach a quota. When the USMCA was first agreed to, the US took Canada to tribunal (or whatever it'd be called) over the issue. The US 'won' and Canada adjusted the pricing twice. In 2023 I guess they whined again.

The issue is the tariffs are meant to protect Canadian Dairy from a flood from the US (which isn't up to Canadian standards anyway and boy are American dairy people pissed 'bout that). But of course he whined about Dairy being 200+% without the actual context. But what a way to rile up Americans.
The 200% thing come from the tariff over the quota allotment. Which is probably still better than what they force BC dairy farmers to do.
It seems to me that a far bettersolution would be for Canadian consumers to simply let American dairy products rot on the store shelf. Most of it isn't fit for human consumption anyway.
 
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President Donald Trump’s tariff threats could raise the price of uranium used to fuel US nuclear reactors, which could have ripple effects on a tenuous nuclear renaissance spurred by the growth of energy-hungry data centers. Oh yeah…
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The US gets more than a quarter of its uranium from Canada, more than from any other country. The Trump administration imposed new tariffs on uranium and other goods on Canada this week, which he soon paused after a stock market drop and sell-off, etc…

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It’s too soon to know what the exact impact would be on the US’s nuclear energy industry if tariffs move forward. It could play into efforts to build up a domestic uranium supply, which has gotten bipartisan support and interest from major tech companies. But in the near term, the US still relies on its northern neighbor to keep reactors running.🤫
1741457975851.jpegTrump proposed a 10 percent tariff on energy products from Canada, but he announced yesterday that it would be paused until at least April 2nd. Canada-based Cameco, one of the world’s biggest uranium producers, warned that the tariffs would inevitably lead to higher prices, because reality.

“It’s kind of Econ 101 to figure out what the impact of tariffs are in this situation,” Cameco CFO Grant Isaac said in a February 20th earnings call.

A 10 percent tariff would lead to a 10 percent rise in uranium prices, Isaac said, whether that’s from Canada or elsewhere. “History tells us non-tariff countries will simply increase their offer prices to just under 10 percent,” he said. When reached for comment this week, a spokesperson for Cameco said.

Uranium prices have risen dramatically in recent years, with growing interest in nuclear energy — including from Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Metaseeking out nuclear energy to power new AI data centers. Higher uranium prices incentivized the resurgence of uranium mining in the US, with the first mine to open in nearly a decadestarting up near the Grand Canyon last year.
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The Russia-Ukraine war is another factor, with the Biden administration banning uranium imports from Russia, another major supplier, last year.
1741458862092.jpegBut even if the US builds up its domestic supply chain, it’s still constrained by geography. The US only holds about 1 percent of the world’s uranium reserves, while Canada holds about 10 times as much.
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So, currently, American is in a trade war with Canada, has banned (via Biden) uranium imports from Russia, is about to drop 25% steel and aluminum tariffs on Australia (among others), & that then takes the shortfall to the “-istans” to suppy?
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Namibia might be America’s answer here. Has Trump alienated them by threatened them with tariffs or otherwise yet?
 
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The 200% thing come from the tariff over the quota allotment. Which is probably still better than what they force BC dairy farmers to do.
It seems to me that a far bettersolution would be for Canadian consumers to simply let American dairy products rot on the store shelf. Most of it isn't fit for human consumption anyway.
Seems to me that the people who pop over the border for cheap gas also bring bag a chunk of cheese .
 
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This one is interesting as somebody trying to follow the bouncing ball of stupidity:
(YouTube & Tariff war: Does Trump actually know what he's doing? | About That)

It tries to figure out the question as to whether Trump is just vindictive and malicious but ill planned, or if he’s and malicious and actually might know what he’s doing to everyone including Americans.

The consensus seems to be, nobody knows if he’s…just a whack job who knows what he’s doing, or if he’s a whack job that has no idea what he’s doing, & either way he doesn’t seem to be troubled by those that are going to get harmed by this, and America’s credibility just swirls around the bowl.

Canada, Mexico, and China alone are responsible for about half of US trade themselves…& that’s not counting every other country that Trump is currently alienating against America right now. I cannot see how this is going to end well for anybody (like America) let along everybody (like global trade).

If, due to Trump, many Canadians, Mexicans, Britains, EU, and so on and so forth are boycotting American products regardless of whether their governments are reacting or not…this isn’t going to do American any favours…& it will be felt eventually.

I honestly can’t see how Trumps unstable actions are suppose to make America great again.
 
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The 200% thing come from the tariff over the quota allotment. Which is probably still better than what they force BC dairy farmers to do.
It seems to me that a far bettersolution would be for Canadian consumers to simply let American dairy products rot on the store shelf. Most of it isn't fit for human consumption anyway.

Pretty much. The farmer I follow is very pro-US dairy of course and I don't fault him for that but at the same time, fuck that shit.
 
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