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Forcing people into drug treatment is on the political agenda. Here's what the evidence says

Global review finds ‘lack of high-quality evidence to support or refute’ involuntary treatment

Mike Crawley - CBC News

Posted: November 10, 2024

As the toxic drug crisis continues to claim thousands of lives each year — fuelling perceptions that existing measures are failing — the notion of involuntary treatment is gaining political traction.

Across Canada, there's a growing number of political leaders proposing to force people into treatment for drug addiction, even though a recent research review found inconclusive evidence about whether it's effective.

Some experts in addiction medicine warn against seizing on forced treatment as an easy answer to a complex health and social problem.

"It's a response to seeing pain and suffering in front of you and saying, 'I don't want to have to see this, so let's just make sure that this is out of the way,'" said Dr. Anita Srivastava, medical director of addiction medicine for Unity Health in Toronto.

"I think it's a frustrated response to a problem that [people] perceive as having no real solution," said Srivastava in an interview. "I don't think it will work, but I can understand where it might be coming from."

Others think involuntary treatment needs to be one of the available options, given the urgency of the crisis. More than 47,000 Canadians have died from toxic opioids since 2016, according to the latest federal figures published in September.


There is another solution. Let them die.
 
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Forcing people into drug treatment is on the political agenda. Here's what the evidence says

Global review finds ‘lack of high-quality evidence to support or refute’ involuntary treatment

Mike Crawley - CBC News

Posted: November 10, 2024

As the toxic drug crisis continues to claim thousands of lives each year — fuelling perceptions that existing measures are failing — the notion of involuntary treatment is gaining political traction.

Across Canada, there's a growing number of political leaders proposing to force people into treatment for drug addiction, even though a recent research review found inconclusive evidence about whether it's effective.

Some experts in addiction medicine warn against seizing on forced treatment as an easy answer to a complex health and social problem.

"It's a response to seeing pain and suffering in front of you and saying, 'I don't want to have to see this, so let's just make sure that this is out of the way,'" said Dr. Anita Srivastava, medical director of addiction medicine for Unity Health in Toronto.

"I think it's a frustrated response to a problem that [people] perceive as having no real solution," said Srivastava in an interview. "I don't think it will work, but I can understand where it might be coming from."

Others think involuntary treatment needs to be one of the available options, given the urgency of the crisis. More than 47,000 Canadians have died from toxic opioids since 2016, according to the latest federal figures published in September.


There is another solution. Let them die.
Yep. Think of it as evolution in action.
 
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Ron in Regina

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I hate junkies.
I used to feel sorry for them, but I just don’t anymore. Too many months, running it to years, of the horseshit that they bring to a neighbourhood.

Burnt out houses and garages, rampant thefts, garbage (theirs & anybody with a garbage or recycle bin) everywhere constantly….& too entitled to clean up after themselves. Assaults on some of my neighbours, attempts to draw weapons, etc….I’m just tired of it.

Ran into a buddy a couple of months ago who I hadn’t seen in two decades, who was absolutely fuckered on some street drug. The absolute last person I suspected to get wound up in that sort of thing.

We tried to take him in and help him out, try to help him get off that shit. Did that for more than a month, and then he went to a friends place to watch a football game about six weeks ago & haven’t seen or heard from him since. We tried.
 
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I used to feel sorry for them, but I just don’t anymore. Too many months, running it to years, of the horseshit that they bring to a neighbourhood.

Burnt out houses and garages, rampant thefts, garbage (theirs & anybody with a garbage or recycle bin) everywhere constantly….& too entitled to clean up after themselves. Assaults on some of my neighbours, attempts to draw weapons, etc….I’m just tired of it.

Ran into a buddy a couple of months ago who I hadn’t seen in two decades, who was absolutely fuckered on some street drug. The absolute last person I suspected to get wound up in that sort of thing.

We tried to take him in and help him out, try to help him get off that shit. Did that for more than a month, and then he went to a friends place to watch a football game about six weeks ago & haven’t seen or heard from him since. We tried.
Junkies are something you step over to rescue a puppy.

You can't help them.
 
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Junkies are something you step over to rescue a puppy.

You can't help them.
This past summer I came home tired after a bike ride and used the back door to the building-almost as soon as I entered my place the phone rings-some woman with a Middle Eastern accent is asking me to bring some paper towels, soap and water to the front sidewalk.

Now I can't see out there but I know what had happened this neighbourhood gets all sorts in summer most of them just regular people who love to walk the leafy quiet street to the beaches-she's just found a stiff or soon-to-be-stiff OD'ed on the sidewalk and is 'trying to help'.

Anyway I just mumbled into the phone and hung up.

The phone rang a few more times and I fell asleep on the couch apparently an ambulance (which taxpayers paid for) came along later.

That was the third OD I know of in 2024 in this neighhbourhood and I Will Never Ever Respond in Any Way-Let Them Croak.
 
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This past summer I came home tired after a bike ride and used the back door to the building-almost as soon as I entered my place the phone rings-some woman with a Middle Eastern accent is asking me to bring some paper towels, soap and water to the front sidewalk.

Now I can't see out there but I know what had happened this neighbourhood gets all sorts in summer most of them just regular people who love to walk the leafy quiet street to the beaches-she's just found a stiff or soon-to-be-stiff OD'ed on the sidewalk and is 'trying to help'.

Anyway I just mumbled into the phone and hung up.

The phone rang a few more times and I fell asleep on the couch apparently an ambulance (which taxpayers paid for) came along later.

That was the third OD I know of in 2024 in this neighhbourhood and I Will Never Ever Respond in Any Way-Let Them Croak.
Don’t have a heart attack on your bike ride everyone will just walk on by .