There were three gay guys in my unit in 1987 and guess what. We were all cool with it. It's not about who you sleep with, it's about whether you can be counted upon to step up.
Yeah, that's how it should be.
Your unit may have been the exception back then, not the norm. Unless of course members didn't come out.
In the case of individualism, you can't can't count on them because they come first.
Anyone who lasts beyond basic knows that they aren't an 'individual' when the uniform is on. Once that uniform is off, so long as they don't really fuck up and embarrass the Forces, they are free to be whoever or whatever.
There's nothing wrong with that, I put myself first before any job, but I made a commitment to serve in peace and war.
Sure, so do lots of others.
Do you demand that anyone who joins does not marry? Cause that's "individualism" too. Have kids?
What was your involvement?
Air cadets as a teen, then officer. But just as I was going into officer everything seriously changed, enough for me to step back.
Ironically what really did it? That the cadets couldn't be treated like cadets and everything that made it military was dying off in favour of treating the kids with kid gloves. And from the friends I have who are still involved, it only got worse since then. Had it not changed, who knows where I would'a went.
My bias is against anyone who thinks they can legislate or bully me into thinking a certain way.
Then why are you in a nation at all? If you don't want to be legislated or "bullied" into acting a certain way, go to an isolated island. Cause there's things out there that all of us don't want to have legislated or bullied onto us, but it happens anyway and we can suck it up, or leave.
I don't care how somebody identifies, but they don't get to dictate how I think.
Fine, think what you want, but if you're not going to respect someone when they ask you to respect them, or be cool with denying them their rights to be who they are don't get all panties knotted when they get pissed at you and go off on you.
I feel the same way about all religions.
Fair enough, so do I. But the moment someone gets disrespectful or bullying, I'm going to call it out because that's only right.
They are not allowed to express their feelings. They have to remain quiet.
Yet you just said ask them off the record... so which is it, they can or they can't?
I don't expect anyone in any sort of position like that to talk candidly to me, on or off the record. Same as I can't be candid about things in Health Care.
I called you a cunt because you were being one.
Yep, and I've called you things because you were being them.
I try to be civil and in most cases I am, but you're not capable.
Pretty sure I am, pretty sure there's lots of times I have been, including right now.
You want that exact quote?
Yeah, I did. I said "Not everyone is in a combat unit and even in such units, there are still individuals that have individualism outside of the unit. I would'a thought you'd know that, given you supposedly served."
Since it wasn't clear - I doubted you served because you suddenly seemed to forget that people are individuals outside of a unit - combat or otherwise. And as such, they're going to have individualism. They're gonna "do their own thing". That's just being human. If that individualism crosses over into the realm of the military, and causes problems, THEN that's when they step in, otherwise no.
Where did I say anything about gender or religion?
We were discussing wokeism. That usually encompasses gender, sexuality, religion, race... or are we suddenly only cherry picking certain parts of wokeism?
If a person is combat-ready, Gay-Straight, Christian, Muslim, or Jew, and they are willing to lay down their life for their country I say giddy up.
So do I. I've enough relatives and friends who've chosen to and I respect them for it.
If a person enters the armed forces and is going to be a combat defect because of their religion or if they are transitioning, then they should avoid the forces because they are an administrative burden and combat ineffective.
Okay, religion I could see as there are specific ones that preach no combat/fighting because of the chance to take life. But in cases like that - unless something changed - there are options to serve in noncom places.
As for transitioning - how the hell would they be a 'combat defect'? What, so someone signs up to serve and in the time of their contract, they either were going through or started transitioning, suddenly they aren't able to serve in combat? Why? Outside of medical procedures that require recovery time - and if you've an issue with that then you must be for no military person having any medical issues at all? - someone who is joining a *voluntary signing* military isn't just going to flake out because they get a fucking boob job or take estrogen. If they didn't drop by the end of basic, they're likely committed to serve their contract.
They call it universal soldier, a must be ready to go to war.
How would someone transitioning leave them not ready for war?
How would someone whose religion says that they can't kill (which to be fair, is most religions including Christianity) prevent them from going to war? FIGHTING and maybe killing, sure, but again, that's why they'd get noncom roles.
By the way, I was medically released because I could not meet the universal soldier requirement after three-leg operations.
And that's totally understandable - though did they offer you somewhere else that wouldn't be direct combat related or no?
But a person who transitions? Unless something goes seriously wrong if they get GRS while serving, there's no reason for them to not be combat ready.
This is the last point-by-point post I'm going to do with you.
My eyes are bleeding.
LOL
Fair enough.
I just do point by point because I learned a long time ago if I didn't, I missed shit I wanted to cover, was important, or completely lost track of what I was saying/the point of things. And I see it as a respect thing.
It is a pain, yeah but it's habit now so *shrug*
(so was this civil enough or does it not meet the threshold for it yet?)
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