It's Climate Change I tell'ya!! IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!

spilledthebeer

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OTTAWA — As if a waterlogged crop, trade problems with China and a railway strike weren’t enough, Manitoba farmers are being forced to pay the carbon tax on some items under rules that they argue don’t make sense.

They are pleading with the federal government to fix an apparent oversight that has hit them in the pocketbook.

"We’re shooting ourselves in the foot," said Warren McCutcheon, who grows corn near Carman, 70 kilometres southwest of Winnipeg.

He’s among hundreds of family farmers who want the Trudeau government to eliminate the carbon tax on the practice of grain drying. It’s one of the few agricultural tasks that is subject to the federal levy. Fuel used for agriculture is exempt from the tax because there are few environmentally friendly alternatives to it. Officials decided it would be counterproductive to apply the tax in cases where customers would likely shift to cheaper foreign products, resulting in a minimal effect on carbon emissions.

The carbon tax isn’t charged on propane in some parts of farming, but it is charged on fuel used to dry grain.

When grain that has been harvested is too wet, it must be dried. It’s not possible to dry it using electricity. Technology to switch grain drying from fuel to hydroelectricity is likely years away.

McCutcheon said the three-cent levy on every litre of propane has cost his farm $1,800 to date.

In North Dakota, farmers are able to dry their crops without paying such a levy.

"It’s disappointing and frustrating that our government seems to want to make us a less competitive industry, one that benefits our country in so many ways," McCutcheon said.

Manitoba’s proposed carbon tax exempted grain drying. Premier Brian Pallister scrapped his proposed plan in October 2018, so the federal government imposed its own on Manitoba.

The issue has percolated for weeks, with premiers of the three Prairie provinces asking for the tax to be stripped from the cost of grain drying. Federal Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau has asked the three Prairie provinces to tabulate the cost.

“It’s like a perfect storm aligning and hitting you all at one time. That’s what we’ve encountered in Manitoba this year. I consider that a huge issue, with regards to the federal government not understanding western Canadian agriculture."— Keystone Agricultural Producers president Bill Campbell


Farmers are now paying the price - right across Canada.........................


FOR EMBARRASSING LIE-berals by shooting native thieves........................


who are raiding rural properties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor have rural folks endeared themselves to LIE-berals by complaining about being harassed by drug addled goofs out on parole!!!!!!!


LIE-berals expect farmers to simply ABSORB the losses from thieves.......................


in the same way they absorb crop losses from insects and Deer etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the simplistic LIE-beral mindset simply assumes the solution to higher costs IS TO RAISE PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals DO NOT CARE to consider that other suppliers from south of the border - with lower prices..............................


may run Cdn farmers out of biz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

B00Mer

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spilledthebeer

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You DO realise that Queensland, Victoria and New South Wales are "States", like "Provinces" which encompass 1000s of kms?




Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thousands of kms of FIRE PRONE AREAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nut Zone Doug FAILS to distract from his previous FAILED



ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

spilledthebeer

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Yes....................the weather people say Sunday will be MISERABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But today - Saturday is QUITE BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sun shining bright.................................


no wind to speak of...................................


pleasantly warm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Typical southern Ontari-owe winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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DELHI, INDIA SUFFERS ITS SECOND-COLDEST DECEMBER SINCE 1901
DECEMBER 30, 2019 CAP ALLON
With fewer than 2 full-days remaining, India’s capital Delhi is about to register its second-coldest month of December since records began in 1901.


According to data from India’s Meteorological Department (IMD), Delhi’s December mean maximum temperature has only-ever dipped below 20C (68F) in 1919, 1929, 1961, 1973 and 1997.

“In December this year, the mean maximum temperature until Thursday [Dec 26] was 19.85C,” said an IMD official. And, given the current forecast, “it is expected to dip to [at least] 19.15C by December 31” — the second-coldest reading after 1973’s mean max temp of 17.3C (63.1F).

Saturday, December 28 saw the season’s lowest daily temperature at the Safdarjung Observatory –Delhi’s official weather station– when a minimum of 2.4C (36.3F) was recorded.

The following day, on Sunday, the IMD issued a “code red” cold warning for Delhi, Haryana, and other neighboring states. Adding to the anomalously cold, dense fog reduced visibility and disrupted air, rail and road traffic.
 

petros

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So does that mean the coldest Dec. on record since the consensual 1951? Or is cold in recorded history and heat begins in 1951?
Good question. Using the 1951 forward Official Record it would have to be the coldest on record. Environment Canada uses 1948 and forward. The super hot 20s and 30s are ignored.
 

spilledthebeer

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So does that mean the coldest Dec. on record since the consensual 1951? Or is cold in recorded history and heat begins in 1951?




Oh Moose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are doing things all wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals want your brain to be all frozen up with cold and FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are supposed to STOP thinking and stop asking questions.............................


and simply accept their political policy CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And they expect you to stop thinking "for the good of humanity"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning "for the good of LIE-berals"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As anybody who questions LIE-berals on any subject whatsoever.............................


IS CLEARLY "INHUMAN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For instance you ARE CLEARLY INHUMAN if you ask why LIE-berals should be permitted to continue flying around in gas guzzling



airplanes and why we should permit them to go play on gas guzzling SeaDoos in the middle of a climate "emergency"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all - the "climate emergency" is LARGELY CREATED by wealthy HOGS with their gas guzzling toys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But as those HOGS are entitled it is inhuman to ask THEM TO CUT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If its LIE-beral then its truly twisted hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

taxslave

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Good question. Using the 1951 forward Official Record it would have to be the coldest on record. Environment Canada uses 1948 and forward. The super hot 20s and 30s are ignored.
According to my mother the twenty and thirties were really cold in Yorktown. They had snow for Halloween. Probably why they all moved west.
 

spilledthebeer

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I can't believe people would chose to live in those conditions.




Why would people choose to live under those conditions?????????????????????????


Maybe you better read up on how people lived......................................


in any typical European SLUM before the 20th century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And you should spend some time considering what it would be like to walk a typical European street........................


in the decades BEFORE FLUSH TOILETS AND RUNNING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Give a moments thought to waking in the night to use your chamber pot or thunder mug................................


and in the morning you PITCH THE CONTENTS out the nearest window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Think of all that sewage mixed in with uncollected garbage and nicely spiced..........................


with the droppings of tens of thousands of animals - horses, cows, pigs, goats and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Toronto was called HOG TOWN long before its civil service had much influence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the big fancy wrought iron fences and gates around the historic Osgoode Hall Law School....................


were put there to KEEP OUT CATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We simply CANNOT have the future lawyers slipping in a cow pie no can we????????????????????
 

taxslave

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Why would people choose to live under those conditions?????????????????????????


Maybe you better read up on how people lived......................................


in any typical European SLUM before the 20th century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you should spend some time considering what it would be like to walk a typical European street........................
in the decades BEFORE FLUSH TOILETS AND RUNNING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give a moments thought to waking in the night to use your chamber pot or thunder mug................................
and in the morning you PITCH THE CONTENTS out the nearest window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think of all that sewage mixed in with uncollected garbage and nicely spiced..........................
with the droppings of tens of thousands of animals - horses, cows, pigs, goats and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toronto was called HOG TOWN long before its civil service had much influence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the big fancy wrought iron fences and gates around the historic Osgoode Hall Law School....................
were put there to KEEP OUT CATTLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We simply CANNOT have the future lawyers slipping in a cow pie no can we????????????????????
Mostly it wasn't that cold.
 

spilledthebeer

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Mostly it wasn't that cold.


Oh??????????????????????


WHERE WAS IT "NOT THAT COLD"??????????????????????????


In those drafty old buildings without a single sandwich bag sized piece........................................


of insulation or vapour barrier?????????????



AGAIN - YOU NEED TO DO SOME READING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Inform yourself about the risks inherent with frequently used fire places that could be full of soot and thus start a chimney fire that would rival Guy Fawkes night fireworks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I once saw the chimney of an elderly neighbour catch fire and it REALLY IS A FIREWORKS DISPLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The fire takes hold in all that old Creosote and creates its own FORCED DRAFT that shoots sparks for amazing distances.............


and the blaze can get hot enough TO MELT THE BRICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So even if the average European peasant could AFFORD A LOT OF WOOD OR COAL...............................


and of course MOST COULD NOT - which is why they came HERE.......................................



the ANCIENT CHIMNEY MANDATED SMALL FIRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FOR BOTH ECONOMY AND SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is not as cold in the average European city as it is in Winnipeg .....................................


BUT IT DOES SNOW in lots of European cities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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From The Guardian on 21 February 2004.

“Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war. Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years. Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.”

“Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. …Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. ‘We don’t know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,’ he said. …”
 

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From The Guardian on 21 February 2004.

“Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war. Britain will be ‘Siberian’ in less than 20 years. Threat to the world is greater than terrorism.”

But hey, it'll probably only be half that bad; nothing to worry about (Anyway, the world has always had disasters. Civilizations have disappeared before. No biggie.)